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I see people saying it's a PH , and some others a Steroid , what is it really?
Ok , that's better then , PH are worse then steroids for the liverIt's a steroid, defo not a pro hormone. Marketed as a PH to sell it in stores.
Epi is mild on the liver, but still gotta take care. By the way it's a steroid as once it enters the body it's active. PH's from what I gather have to convert to something in the body first before being active.Ok , that's better then , PH are worse then steroids for the liver
I think no conversion takes place but it still toxic on the liverOk , that's better then , PH are worse then steroids for the liver
Yes it's still dangerous ofc , if i take AR1MACARE PRO only , with Epi 30/45/45/45/45/45 , is it enough ? 3 caps/day , that product : http://www.nutri-verse.com/ar1macare-pro/I think no conversion takes place but it still toxic on the liver
That product is meant to be part of the PCT and no it will not be enough of a PCT with that dose of epi, you will need a SERM.Yes it's still dangerous ofc , if i take AR1MACARE PRO only , with Epi 30/45/45/45/45/45 , is it enough ? 3 caps/day , that product : http://www.nutri-verse.com/ar1macare-pro/
It's a on cycle product , that one will be my post http://www.nutri-verse.com/sup3r-pct/ , and yea i have nolva already , i will do 20/20/10/10.That product is meant to be part of the PCT and no it will not be enough of a PCT with that dose of epi, you will need a SERM.
They both have arimistane in them?? I didn't realize this but ok I guess, Ar1macare product should be good for liver support. You can always throw in milk thistle or NAC as well.It's a on cycle product , that one will be my post SUP3R PCT by Olympus Labs | What is Post Cycle Therapy? | Nutri-Verse.com , and yea i have nolva already , i will do 20/20/10/10.
Just want to know if the AR1MACARE PRO will be enough to protect my liver / BP / kidneys
Yes i know that , well i hope it won't get worse , but it can happen.I should mention that Epi will not help your anxiety, if anything it will get worse during PCT. I would advise against it but if you are going to do it at least do your research and know what to expect.
Sounds pretty solid to me. I'm not sure what supp you could use to help with the anxiety though.Yes i know that , well i hope it won't get worse , but it can happen.
If it happens during the PCT , do i have to add a supp to reduce the anxiety ? or should i just wait it to go away?
I'll get Hawthorn berry + Milk thistle + maybe omega 3 to add with epistane , then during the PCT , SUP3R PCT + NOLVA 20/20/10/10 + maybe a T booster like D-pol.
Id go with cycle assist. Also your joints will be dry from epi and the ai in ar1macare wont help.It's a on cycle product , that one will be my post http://www.nutri-verse.com/sup3r-pct/ , and yea i have nolva already , i will do 20/20/10/10.
Just want to know if the AR1MACARE PRO will be enough to protect my liver / BP / kidneys
Yes , that's what some people told me , too much AI will kill my joints , i bought MSM product and omega 3 for this , hopping it will be enough.Id go with cycle assist. Also your joints will be dry from epi and the ai in ar1macare wont help.
That would from low estrogen, it would make more sense to use DHEA with your epi to prevent the estro from getting to low.Yes , that's what some people told me , too much AI will kill my joints , i bought MSM product and omega 3 for this , hopping it will be enough.
Maybe someone can help me out here but I think I read somewhere that DHEA taken with EPI can also help reduce the chance of estro rebound after the cycle since the aromatase enzymes are being used to make estrogen instead of building up.That would from low estrogen, it would make more sense to use DHEA with your epi to prevent the estro from getting to low.
Pretty sure the opposite is true, as many of the oral steroids are methylated and pro-hormones are usually (but not always) non-mehtyls that are converted in the body to their active metabolites.Ok , that's better then , PH are worse then steroids for the liver
The only reason im assuming youd want arimacare is because of the tudca. And you can buy that separate and get a much more efficient dosing. cycle assist + tudcaYes , that's what some people told me , too much AI will kill my joints , i bought MSM product and omega 3 for this , hopping it will be enough.
Nah, this is not true. This is actually so wrong I just :facepalmed:Ok , that's better then , PH are worse then steroids for the liver
Mind = blownI'm going to blow your mind..... its both a PH and a steroid both as are most steroids. In fact one theory was that epistane converts to pheraplex in the body...
Boom, right here. Damage Control. I'm not opposed to anyone running an AI while on (even if it's an Epi cycle), but I don't want it in my support product. I like Damage Control supplemented with a little extra TUDCA.I'm considering running olympus' epi soon myself. I'm going to use lgi damage control for cycle assist in addition to the staples. It's a solid product with tudca.
Thanks for that help , really appreciated.Ok since there is gross amounts of misinformation in this thread OP please ignore most of the posts and read this one from the rep of the company who brought Epistane to the market.
Epistane is 17a methyl epitiostanol. Both epistane and epitiostanol are antiestrogens they hinder the activity of estrogen in the body, they don't prevent estrogen creation like an AI or bind to estrogen receptors like a serm. Use of an aromatizeable substance like dhea or trestolone on cycle will help increase estrogen to combat the antiestrogenic effects of epistane.
Quick nomenclature break to make the rest easy. Ketone or one means a double bonded oxygen atom to the androgen, hydroxy or ol(short for alcohol) means a oxygen bonded to a hydrogen single bonded to the androgen. Di means two of them so dione or diol.
Epistane is an orally active steroid sometimes classified as a designer steroid because they were never used medically, prohormones are steroid precursors, be it a dione(diendione(xtren) precursor to dienolone, trendione(trenavar) precursor to trenbolone, Boldione(bold200) precursor to boldenone) or diol(halodrol(diol precursor to turinabol), Alpha1(diol precursor to m1t)) or in the case of steroids found in your body dhea derivitives which have 3b hydroxy functions and 17 ketone function.
Most active steroids will have a 3 ketone and a 17b hydroxy function except in cases like epistane which have a sulphur atom bonded to the 2 alpha and 3 alpha positions or phera which has a 2-3 double bond.
Toxicity doesn't matter for designer steroid or prohormone it is compound based, the only variance is 17 alpha methylated compounds increase toxicity because they increase oral bioavailability by preventing the liver from metabolizing the compound inert which causes the liver to work harder.
Lastly check out Celtic Laps Epi brought to you by the makers of IBE Epistane the original it's what you want.
The only reason im assuming youd want arimacare is because of the tudca. And you can buy that separate and get a much more efficient dosing. cycle assist + tudca
I'm considering running olympus' epi soon myself. I'm going to use lgi damage control for cycle assist in addition to the staples. It's a solid product with tudca.
If you are going to use Damage control a bottle will only last 15 days to dose it correctly. Cycle Assist is a much better choice for ingreds, dosages and extractsBoom, right here. Damage Control. I'm not opposed to anyone running an AI while on (even if it's an Epi cycle), but I don't want it in my support product. I like Damage Control supplemented with a little extra TUDCA.
This is mis informationOk since there is gross amounts of misinformation in this thread OP please ignore most of the posts and read this one from the rep of the company who brought Epistane to the market.
Epistane is 17a methyl epitiostanol. Both epistane and epitiostanol are antiestrogens they hinder the activity of estrogen in the body, they don't prevent estrogen creation like an AI or bind to estrogen receptors like a serm. Use of an aromatizeable substance like dhea or trestolone on cycle will help increase estrogen to combat the antiestrogenic effects of epistane.
Quick nomenclature break to make the rest easy. Ketone or one means a double bonded oxygen atom to the androgen, hydroxy or ol(short for alcohol) means a oxygen bonded to a hydrogen single bonded to the androgen. Di means two of them so dione or diol.
Epistane is an orally active steroid sometimes classified as a designer steroid because they were never used medically, prohormones are steroid precursors, be it a dione(diendione(xtren) precursor to dienolone, trendione(trenavar) precursor to trenbolone, Boldione(bold200) precursor to boldenone) or diol(halodrol(diol precursor to turinabol), Alpha1(diol precursor to m1t)) or in the case of steroids found in your body dhea derivitives which have 3b hydroxy functions and 17 ketone function.
Most active steroids will have a 3 ketone and a 17b hydroxy function except in cases like epistane which have a sulphur atom bonded to the 2 alpha and 3 alpha positions or phera which has a 2-3 double bond.
Toxicity doesn't matter for designer steroid or prohormone it is compound based, the only variance is 17 alpha methylated compounds increase toxicity because they increase oral bioavailability by preventing the liver from metabolizing the compound inert which causes the liver to work harder.
Lastly check out Celtic Laps Epi brought to you by the makers of IBE Epistane the original it's what you want.
THIS^^^^^^^If you are going to use Damage control a bottle will only last 15 days to dose it correctly. Cycle Assist is a much better choice for ingreds, dosages and extracts
^^^ yup, like I saidIf you are going to use Damage control a bottle will only last 15 days to dose it correctly. Cycle Assist is a much better choice for ingreds, dosages and extracts
I take 4 caps out of the recommended 6 caps.I just bought cycle assist , it can be use for 60 Days , so it can be use also for my 2Nd cycle right ? ( if i do a 2nd one)
So if i use that with EPi 30/30/45/45/45/45 , will i be ok ? i mean there is still risks , but i should be ok right ?I take 4 caps out of the recommended 6 caps.
Two in the am, two in the pm.
What can i do for the oestro rebound? take Erase pro from week 9-13?Yes and yes.
Really prove me wrong.This is mis information
Please delete this garbage.
It turns to Pheraplex if the bottle is kept in storage for a long time is the theory. After a certain time just sitting in storage it converts itself to it.I'm going to blow your mind..... its both a PH and a steroid both as are most steroids. In fact one theory was that epistane converts to pheraplex in the body...
Don't trust over the counter stuff to control estro rebound. You want a pharmacutical grade AI like Aromasin.What can i do for the oestro rebound? take Erase pro from week 9-13?
Yes maybe, its not conclusive but likely that it takes place in high temps. Now here is the fun part it was shown in a study that epitiostanol "Unmethylated Epistane" converts to 2-androstenol "Unmethylated Phera" so the theory is sound that a metabolite of methyl would be its methyl counter part.It turns to Pheraplex if the bottle is kept in storage for a long time is the theory. After a certain time just sitting in storage it converts itself to it.
There is no data showing methepitiostanol has anti estrogenic effects.Really prove me wrong.
There is clinical data on epitiostanol, and there is thousands of user reports of dry results and sore joints and what reduces bloat and causes sore joints low e, or estrogen being inhibited.There is no data showing methepitiostanol has anti estrogenic effects.
There is clinical data on epitiostanol, and there is thousands of user reports of dry results and sore joints and what reduces bloat and causes sore joints low e, or estrogen being inhibited.
So yes you are correct there is no clinical data, but it's pretty safe to say based on users to say it is antiestrogenic.
I think recommended is 8I take 4 caps out of the recommended 6 caps.
Two in the am, two in the pm.
Yeah, it's defo got anti-estrogen properties. I'm using it now and I'm really dried out on it. Plus my joints get sore.There is clinical data on epitiostanol, and there is thousands of user reports of dry results and sore joints and what reduces bloat and causes sore joints low e, or estrogen being inhibited.
So yes you are correct there is no clinical data, but it's pretty safe to say based on users to say it is antiestrogenic.
Oh, whoops. I'll take two more!I think recommended is 8