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EP1LOGUE Q&A

VASO6 said:
As far as the VASO6 goes you can enjoy the heart healthy benefits of it daily. As a nitric oxide boosting vasodilation ingredient this is something everyone over the age of 18 should take once daily. As far as dosage I take up to 1200 mgs daily and I’ve completed data which concludes there’s zero cellular toxicity at 1200 Mgs daily, in fact quite the opposite. Shows tremendous NO peosiction at a higher dosage. So enjoying through out the day keeps your veins soft and pliable as they should be and prevents gardening and endothelial dysfunction. Bottom line VASO6 = Healthy heart & healthy vascular network.
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i would do in one second, but where can i get these amounts of plain Vaso6?
 
VASO6 said:
No manufacturers have launched pure VASO6 capsules at anywhere from 300-750mgs daily usage YET ... however it is coming. I’ll be releasing my comparative Nitric Oxide data at the Arnold next week and once that data drop on the market the Nitric Oxide space will be forever changes and you’ll have no shortage of company’s simply selling pure VASO6 for one or two a day heart healthy/pulp applicrions.

Tick Tock .. less than a week away
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This is all good but we'd also like to hear the price
 
that sounds great! i told OL to release a vaso 6 only product; would have been a top seller imho.

thank you for creating this stuff! i absolutely love it!
 
VASO6 said:
You are most welcome. The guys at Olympus are true innovators and they’re the FIRST To market with VASO6. Keep communicating with them. I promise they listen to the market and their customers.
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Thanks for acknowledging it :cool:
 
VASO6 said:
No manufacturers have launched pure VASO6 capsules at anywhere from 300-750mgs daily usage YET ... however it is coming. I’ll be releasing my comparative Nitric Oxide data at the Arnold next week and once that data drop on the market the Nitric Oxide space will be forever changes and you’ll have no shortage of company’s simply selling pure VASO6 for one or two a day heart healthy/pulp applicrions.

Tick Tock .. less than a week away
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Excellent news. I’m very interested in a standalone as well. Several weeks ago I called Compound Solutions which is the distributor for VASO6, and inquired about the availability of pure VASO6.
 
slickwillie said:
Excellent news. I’m very interested in a standalone as well. Several weeks ago I called Compound Solutions which is the distributor for VASO6, and inquired about the availability of pure VASO6.
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I contacted them couple of times but no reply..
 
I’ve been consistently on Re1gn, taking a break and starting Ep1logue, what’s everyone’s experience as a stand-alone. Start with 1 pill or 2 pre workout?
 
VASO6 said:
Thank you kindly for the direct message. For some reason I’m unable to respond. A lot of the company’s currently doing business with us will begin looking at launching a stand alone VASO6 as a once or twice a day 300-750mgs. We’ve tested the cellular toxicity at even higher dosages and we got phenomenal results going all the way up to 1.2 Grams of VASO6 in a day. So you aren’t hurting anything by taking that much of it. You can also go to Amino Labs who distrusts VASO6 in Europe and see if you have any better luck there getting your product. I’ll look in to what’s going on on my end.
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Thank you.
As I tought, its no problem to take higher dose.
 
I’ve been consistently on Re1gn, taking a break and starting Ep1logue, what’s everyone’s experience as a stand-alone. Start with 1 pill or 2 pre workout?
 
VASO6 said:
I’m currently stacking Re1gn, Ep1logue, and Massacr3 that’s a total of 900mgs of VASO6 which we’ve studied clinically to have zero cellular toxicity. In fact we’ve seen very positive results of continues NO production all the way to 1.2Grams daily.
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600mg Vaso6 here . But would love to add extra 600mg. :D
 
I can also attest to @ 35 my pubertal gyno going down from my 8 week run of Epilogue, I wanted to go 12 weeks but shoulder tendonitis flared and I stepped back on upper body training to let things heal and just work legs. I also noticed my joints did feel a little "dryer" so I just took another Krill oil capsule to help it subside.

So I will keep my last bottle for after I heal to run at the last few weeks with my Massacre run. Even though my gyno wasn't really noticeable specially when my nipples were cold. I still had tissue there even when shredded. But now I'm trying to feel the little bumps of tissue I had and I can't. I've never tried to use Raloxofene or even Nolvadex to get rid of it because of it not being really noticeable (I don't want to effect my natty status) and I didn't want surgery to put me out, so this is quite the welcome effect for me.

Also, I love how it made me look pumped all damn day, gain noticeable lean mass and the strength/ power endurance gains is where I saw it shine for me. I'm used to gaining maybe 2 lbs of lean muscle a year after 22 years of training and being natty, so to gain that and maybe a lb more noticeably in a 8 week period is also a welcome event.

This was the only thing new to my protocol, I wanted to try it stand alone to gauge its effects (as I do with any new supplement)then I can gauge with my body what will work and be synergistic for my goals.
 
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NoAddedHmones said:
My bloods didn't show a material difference in E after using the dosage at 2 caps. It appears that the sides some people were experiencing were related to the (-)-epicatechin phytofuse.
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I have never read anything anywhere which connects epicatechin to any side effects. I believe the concern was related to the UroB.
 
slickwillie said:
I have never read anything anywhere which connects epicatechin to any side effects. I believe the concern was related to the UroB.
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You are presupposing that it was UroB because you never read anything on people identifying -Epi as the cause?

I myself have not tested -Epi Phytofuse at 500mg on its own w/o UroB so really can’t compare. But I do know OL RnD are the only ones who have tested UroB solo so perhaps we have some credibility in making a conclusion.
 
GNO said:
You are presupposing that it was UroB because you never read anything on people identifying -Epi as the cause?

I myself have not tested -Epi Phytofuse at 500mg on its own w/o UroB so really can’t compare. But I do know OL RnD are the only ones who have tested UroB solo so perhaps we have some credibility in making a conclusion.
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I am not presupposing. I have read every post in this thread, and unless I am mistaken the post by NoAddedHmones is the first post making that connection.Which is fine; I’m not arguing the point. I’m here to learn like everyone else.

Also, we have been admonished by VO2Maxima to not take a full dose of Epilogue and a full dose of Massacr3 on the same day, but rather a half dose of each, presumably because of the UroB, and certainly not because of the VASO6.
 
slickwillie said:
I am not presupposing. I have read every post in this thread, and unless I am mistaken the post by NoAddedHmones is the first post making that connection.Which is fine; I’m not arguing the point. I’m here to learn like everyone else.

Also, we have been admonished by VO2Maxima to not take a full dose of Epilogue and a full dose of Massacr3 on the same day, but rather a half dose of each, presumably because of the UroB, and certainly not because of the VASO6.
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Not trying to shame you in any way bro. All I ask is for us all to have an open mind.

Btw, VO2Maxima is way too sweet to admonish c’monnnn ;)
 
slickwillie said:
I am not presupposing. I have read every post in this thread, and unless I am mistaken the post by NoAddedHmones is the first post making that connection.Which is fine; I’m not arguing the point. I’m here to learn like everyone else.

Also, we have been admonished by VO2Maxima to not take a full dose of Epilogue and a full dose of Massacr3 on the same day, but rather a half dose of each, presumably because of the UroB, and certainly not because of the VASO6.
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Admonished is a strong word lol, let's go with "recommended." It's mostly a diminishing returns thing. Just trying to save you money, is all.
 
slickwillie said:
I have never read anything anywhere which connects epicatechin to any side effects. I believe the concern was related to the UroB.
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Thats because you have never used an enhanced version at a dosage which can lead to these sides.

This was from my follow up testing, xtyler follow up testing and zero members using Massacr3 complaining of these sides.
 
carguy123 said:
OL...the only supp company to tell you to take less of their products ;)
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Lol if a company is encouraging its customers to double or triple dose their products, I would start to wonder if it's underdosed. We don't play that game, everything from OL is already optimally dosed.
 
big_jewels said:
I can also attest to @ 35 my pubertal gyno going down from my 8 week run of Epilogue, I wanted to go 12 weeks but shoulder tendonitis flared and I stepped back on upper body training to let things heal and just work legs. I also noticed my joints did feel a little "dryer" so I just took another Krill oil capsule to help it subside.
So I will keep my last bottle for after I heal to run at the last few weeks with my Massacre run. Even though my gyno wasn't really noticeable specially when my nipples were cold. I still had tissue there even when shredded. But now I'm trying to feel the little bumps of tissue I had and I can't. I've never tried to use Raloxofene or even Nolvadex to get rid of it because of it not being really noticeable (I don't want to effect my natty status) and I didn't want surgery to put me out, so this is quite the welcome effect for me.

Also, I love how it made me look pumped all damn day, gain noticeable lean mass and the strength/ power endurance gains is where I saw it shine for me. I'm used to gaining maybe 2 lbs of lean muscle a year after 22 years of training and being natty, so to gain that and maybe a lb more noticeably in a 8 week period is also a welcome event.

This was the only thing new to my protocol and because I wanted to try it stand alone to see it's effects as I do with any new supplement then I can gauge with my body what will work and be synergistic for my goals.
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Thanks for your detailed feedback and glad to hear you experienced all the desired and expected benefits.

VO2Maxima said:
Admonished is a strong word lol, let's go with "recommended." It's mostly a diminishing returns thing. Just trying to save you money, is all.
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Exactly. You can take 12 caps a day but why would you waste such a good thing? We want ya'll to get results without going bankrupt.
 
VO2Maxima said:
Lol if a company is encouraging its customers to double or triple dose their products, I would start to wonder if it's underdosed. We don't play that game, everything from OL is already optimally dosed.
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Optimal dosed for humans .but I am an animal :D
 
VASO6 said:
As far as the VASO6 goes you can enjoy the heart healthy benefits of it daily. As a nitric oxide boosting vasodilation ingredient this is something everyone over the age of 18 should take once daily. As far as dosage I take up to 1200 mgs daily and I’ve completed data which concludes there’s zero cellular toxicity at 1200 Mgs daily, in fact quite the opposite. Shows tremendous NO peosiction at a higher dosage. So enjoying through out the day keeps your veins soft and pliable as they should be and prevents gardening and endothelial dysfunction. Bottom line VASO6 = Healthy heart & healthy vascular network.
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Hey man do you have a seperate thread to discuss VASO6.. intested in the product alone, many questions for you?
 
hamdysayed said:
yeah bro my pct after 10 weeks cycle was
clomid
nolva
kings blood
epilogue
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Minus the nolva, I’m running the same thing now for my PCT but I added EPI-Plex. So I’m getting 1200mg of -epi a day. I take one scoop of Reign pre workout and the pumps from all of this sometimes is just too much. Work capacity, endurance and recovery between sets is where it really shines for me. I’m eating at maintenance but trying to burn some fat so I stepped up my workouts with less rest between sets. Love what OL is doing.
 
Was the recommendation to have a 4 week break after 12 weeks of use related to having a break from UroB? Just because of downregulation of receptor affinity or were there more severe potential consequences? Otherwise i'd like to keep the epicatechin flowing for a longer time, eager to starting my next 12 weeks of Ep1logue.
 
herosjourney said:
Was the recommendation to have a 4 week break after 12 weeks of use related to having a break from UroB? Just because of downregulation of receptor affinity or were there more severe potential consequences? Otherwise i'd like to keep the epicatechin flowing for a longer time, eager to starting my next 12 weeks of Ep1logue.
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Just a blanket recommendation that applies to +90% of supplements, in order to prevent homeostasis and avoid long term decrease in effectiveness.
 
xtyler said:
Just a blanket recommendation that applies to +90% of supplements, in order to prevent homeostasis and avoid long term decrease in effectiveness.
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Thanks xtyler. Would this downregulation apply to epicatechin and vaso6 in your opinion? they seem like a year-around-supplements based on some of the more thorough comments on here. I'm not so much intertested in the UroB losing it's power a bit.
 
Anyone noticed at the 2 month mark suddenincrease in weight ?
I was hovering around 189 then out of nowhere I’m stable at 193
 
xtyler said:
Stable body fat % ?
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My 3-month run was from the beginning of October through the end of December. The strength gains which I have previously reported translated into muscle gains, which translated into weight gain. I always eat clean, but over the Christmas holidays my diet got a little dirty. I started my Massacr3 run around January 1, and things got cleaned up quick, fast and in a hurry.
 
slickwillie said:
My 3-month run was from the beginning of October through the end of December. The strength gains which I have previously reported translated into muscle gains, which translated into weight gain. I always eat clean, but over the Christmas holidays my diet got a little dirty. I started my Massacr3 run around January 1, and things got cleaned up quick, fast and in a hurry.
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Excellent, thank you.

hamdysayed said:
I did see increase in bf,but muscle is more full too,my weight gain was sudden so maybe glycogen retention ?
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Hard to say, being in PCT means so many confounders causing (potentially) spurious associations.
 
I don't like to consume artificial food coloring such as red40, so if I emptyed the capsule into water (or pwo) would i still get the same bioavailability from delivery system?
 
ChickenJoe said:
I don't like to consume artificial food coloring such as red40, so if I emptyed the capsule into water (or pwo) would i still get the same bioavailability from delivery system?
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I bought up this before, not specific to OL but seems they get the capsules from same suppliers.. not good..
 
ChickenJoe said:
I don't like to consume artificial food coloring such as red40, so if I emptyed the capsule into water (or pwo) would i still get the same bioavailability from delivery system?
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I personally dont see any issues with this, those capsules break down rather quickly anyway so it shouldn't make a huge difference overall. I am sure the taste will be interesting to say the least but if you mix it with your pre it might not be too bad.
 
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