ECA or YCA stack…options.

DipStrong

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I'll make it short and sweet. I'm either going to do an ECA stack using Bronkaid and the typical tapering schedule or a YCA stack using Yohimbine HCL @ 15mg/day split in 3 doses. Caffeine and aspirin would be the same for both: 200mg caffeine 3x daily, and 1 baby aspirin 3x daily. Also considering adding 250mg egcg 2x daily as well.

I'm not 100% sure of the legal monthly limit of Bronkaid in Georgia, which is why I'm also considering the Yohimbine HCL. Also unsure of availability of the bronkaid. If I could find a reputable source for legit Ephedrine HCL, I wouldn't think twice about using that instead.

Which would you suggest, and why? Also, length of cycles?
 
I would do both. How long is your cut going to be? If it's 8 to 12 weeks I would do eca for the first 4 to 6 weeks and the yc the last 4 to 6 weeks. This all depends on where your body fat is but using yohimbine hcl towards the end of your cut would be better for hitting the last stubborn fat. The eca stack is good for weightloss in general.

You only have to use the aspirin once a day with your first dose btw and you don't need aspirin with yohimbine.

You should be fine buying bronkaid or primatene without getting in trouble. Buy 1 box as needed not a bunch at one time.
 
Forgot to add that you can add green tea but I don't think it makes that big of a difference. I would use forskolin 95 instead. Plus forskolin and ephedrine have synergistic effects. Work up to 100mgs a day of the 95% extract.
 
Rhfarris said:
I would do both. How long is your cut going to be? If it's 8 to 12 weeks I would do eca for the first 4 to 6 weeks and the yc the last 4 to 6 weeks. This all depends on where your body fat is but using yohimbine hcl towards the end of your cut would be better for hitting the last stubborn fat. The eca stack is good for weightloss in general.

You only have to use the aspirin once a day with your first dose btw and you don't need aspirin with yohimbine.

You should be fine buying bronkaid or primatene without getting in trouble. Buy 1 box as needed not a bunch at one time.
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I'm already decently lean, as in, I have visible veins in my forearms, biceps, quads, calves, and neck. Mostly just trying to get some off of my chest, abs and love handles…all of which aren't too horrible. I'd say I'm roughly at 11-13% total body fat and 163lbs at 5'6".

I had considered doing the ECA for 4 weeks followed by 6-8 weeks of YCA….but, I'm not sure which would be most beneficial.
 
DipStrong said:
I'm already decently lean, as in, I have visible veins in my forearms, biceps, quads, calves, and neck. Mostly just trying to get some off of my chest, abs and love handles…all of which aren't too horrible. I'd say I'm roughly at 11-13% total body fat and 163lbs at 5'6". I had considered doing the ECA for 4 weeks followed by 6-8 weeks of YCA….but, I'm not sure which would be most beneficial.
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Sounds good to me man. I've even heard of people switching every 2 weeks although I've never tried it myself. But generally eca first and the yc towards the end when your really trying to get in the nitty gritty lol good luck with your cut man! And don't forget to monitor your rate one E and don't do any HIIT while one it either.
 
I've always done EC but have always pondered about adding the Y (which seems to be in a lot of preworkouts now). I take 200mg caffeine + 25mg E (via Bronkaid) TID and I'm going to stretch it out for as long as I can (at least 3 months).

DJ
 
a different POV ..
I've heard that DIET manipulations are all that is needed when you are at 11-13% bf, and should easily be able to be maintained and progressive in body-composition down into the single digits..
then, and only then, would I worry about such trivial matters as a potent fat-loss stack, and piece together at that time
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
a different POV ..
I've heard that DIET manipulations are all that is needed when you are at 11-13% bf, and should easily be able to be maintained and progressive in body-composition down into the single digits..
then, and only then, would I worry about such trivial matters as a potent fat-loss stack, and piece together at that time
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Why focus on such a restriction when the magic pills can do it for you ;)



(not srs)
 
I'm working on slowly dieting down, I'm reducing by 100 cal a week until I'm losing 1/2lb weekly. I've already noticed a difference in my arms, legs, and shoulders but my lower back and (primarily) lower abs are clinging to fat.

I weighed 235 in March of 2010 and got down to 143lb at 6.4% BF in June of this year, still had fat on my lower back and abs, so I'm still working on the very residual fat.
 
DipStrong said:
I'm working on slowly dieting down, I'm reducing by 100 cal a week until I'm losing 1/2lb weekly. I've already noticed a difference in my arms, legs, and shoulders but my lower back and (primarily) lower abs are clinging to fat.

I weighed 235 in March of 2010 and got down to 143lb at 6.4% BF in June of this year, still had fat on my lower back and abs, so I'm still working on the very residual fat.
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At that weight and bf%, why cut any further? Plus it's winter :D
 
mr.cooper69 said:
At that weight and bf%, why cut any further? Plus it's winter :D
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I'm at 163-165 right now, around 11-13% bf....but man, I go through the "to bulk or to cut, that is the question..." dilemma every single night. It's a difficult thing for me, because being as fat as I was, I hate to see myself gaining any fat.
 
I think you just have to learn to accept it as a means to an end. Otherwise you end up spinning your wheels and making subpar progress in the gym
 
DipStrong said:
I'm at 163-165 right now, around 11-13% bf....but man, I go through the "to bulk or to cut, that is the question..." dilemma every single night. It's a difficult thing for me, because being as fat as I was, I hate to see myself gaining any fat.
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All comes down to diet and how you go about it. Many people increase calories and carbs too quickly because they want to gain weight and muscle mass as fast as they can. When all that really is happening is they are gaining weight, but most of it is fat. Just gotta take it slow and see how your body reacts.
 
I like to think I've done pretty well, going from 143 to 165 in the time span of 6 1/2 months. And, I've been working out with 3 friends who are all on dbol + winstrol at the moment, and have all done many cycles before, so my workouts have been intense to say the least.

While I was trying to gain weight, I was eating roughly 32-3600 cals a day and got crazy bloated. But, y'all are right I guess....gotta have the slab of marble before you can chisel out a sculpture.
 
DipStrong said:
I like to think I've done pretty well, going from 143 to 165 in the time span of 6 1/2 months. And, I've been working out with 3 friends who are all on dbol + winstrol at the moment, and have all done many cycles before, so my workouts have been intense to say the least.

While I was trying to gain weight, I was eating roughly 32-3600 cals a day and got crazy bloated. But, y'all are right I guess....gotta have the slab of marble before you can chisel out a sculpture.
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It's almost like water-weight. Sometimes you have to accept you will look unaesthetic for a while before looking great. The difference is that you have to work to take the fat off, as opposed to water which can be flushed out. But if you have cut successfully in the past, then you know you can do what it takes in the future
 
Some people don't like looking like a fatty mc fatterson during the winter. Just saying.
 
hahahahahahahaha, the walrus, me gusta.

But, I'm with Monty, I'm trying to stay decently lean all winter and then get shredded for spring break….gotta love college and Panama City Beach.
 
DipStrong said:
hahahahahahahaha, the walrus, me gusta.

But, I'm with Monty, I'm trying to stay decently lean all winter and then get shredded for spring break….gotta love college and Panama City Beach.
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Enjoy it while you can, my young friend. Enjoy it while you can.
 
I'm waiting until after Christmas to start any kind of cut, mostly because Christmas food is much too good. Thanks everyone for the advice and cautionary words.
 
I feel great on ECA.

I feel like crap on ECAY.

Both times I tried ECAY I felt wired. I guess I am a slow learner.

It may be that I am very sensitive to Yohimbine.
 
I can't remember which brand, but either Bronkaid or Primatene made me feel like crap. The other I was fine.
 
kbayne said:
I can't remember which brand, but either Bronkaid or Primatene made me feel like crap. The other I was fine.
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Montego1 said:
I prefer prima. Just seemed to hit me better. I think criticalbench said the same thing.
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I seem to have really bad nasal congestion after 4 weeks on bronk. I'm wrapping up my cycle (14 weeks) and hoping it will clear up. I can breathe, but there's just a thickness/heaviness where the nose and throat meet like I've ever experienced in my entire life.
 
chedapalooza said:
I seem to have really bad nasal congestion after 4 weeks on bronk. I'm wrapping up my cycle (14 weeks) and hoping it will clear up. I can breathe, but there's just a thickness/heaviness where the nose and throat meet like I've ever experienced in my entire life.
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I've never noticed that from the Guaifenessen.
I vote for ECA, primarily because I think Yohimbe makes me too jittery.

To the Original Poster, I remember reading somewhere that 1 baby aspirin EACH DAY is plenty. I can't link it though, and 243mg a day won't hurt. I just like to limit my NSAIDS as much as I can, that way I can take more supplements. (Semi srs)

And I also agree with Snags, diet is the way to go. If you like the energy, then take a thermo, but ultimately if you want those aesthetics, your diet has to be ON POINT.
 
drewsicle3210 said:
I've never noticed that from the Guaifenessen.
I vote for ECA, primarily because I think Yohimbe makes me too jittery.

To the Original Poster, I remember reading somewhere that 1 baby aspirin EACH DAY is plenty. I can't link it though, and 243mg a day won't hurt. I just like to limit my NSAIDS as much as I can, that way I can take more supplements. (Semi srs)

And I also agree with Snags, diet is the way to go. If you like the energy, then take a thermo, but ultimately if you want those aesthetics, your diet has to be ON POINT.
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RE the last paragraph- for "magazine cover" aesthetics I would have to agree with you about diet. However, from experience, I can say that EC stack has helped me lose 2% bf (mostly in the belly and hips/butt/thighs), 2 ish inches overall from my waist 33 to 31/30 and also some stubborn chest fat as well as increased my general vascularity over the course of 12 weeks (with most results coming week 2-5) and slightly dropping off around week 11-12- ALL while on increased calories and decreased cardio efforts.

Basically- utilizing ec at only 2 doses per day (rarely a third was used) this stack has kept me lean on a surplus and actually helped me lose inches and BF on a surplus, gain muscle and incredible strength as well. (Not bc of EC but just speaks to the ability to preserve mass whilst boosting metabolism and fat burning) I love EC stack (did not use aspirin) and I will be using YC in feb after a 3 week break from EC bc I will not care about any water weight gain from the yohimbine.

This last 4 weeks I've actually been using a pre workout with yohimbine, so I guess u could say I'm running ECY stack currently, and I would say that's about the time I noticed "decline" in belly fat burning- obviously this is simply some water retention" :thumbsup:
 
chedapalooza said:
RE the last paragraph- for "magazine cover" aesthetics I would have to agree with you about diet. However, from experience, I can say that EC stack has helped me lose 2% bf (mostly in the belly and hips/butt/thighs), 2 ish inches overall from my waist 33 to 31/30 and also some stubborn chest fat as well as increased my general vascularity over the course of 12 weeks (with most results coming week 2-5) and slightly dropping off around week 11-12- ALL while on increased calories and decreased cardio efforts.

Basically- utilizing ec at only 2 doses per day (rarely a third was used) this stack has kept me lean on a surplus and actually helped me lose inches and BF on a surplus, gain muscle and incredible strength as well. (Not bc of EC but just speaks to the ability to preserve mass whilst boosting metabolism and fat burning) I love EC stack (did not use aspirin) and I will be using YC in feb after a 3 week break from EC
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Nwe
 
Jiigzz said:
If you think diet didnt play a role, then you need to reassess your thought pattern. Diet alone will dictate weight gain or loss.

If EC increased your fat burning potential then it increases your TDEE therefore if you ate more, you wouldnt lose anything. Therefore diet reigns supreme.
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Fair enough, u cannot out train a poor diet, u certainly cannot out supplement a poor diet. I guess I just wanted to make a point that EC will help you lose fat "without trying" when diet is at least sensible... I don't eat any refined sugars/HFCS or fried foods or white bread products, etc.. My diet is very very low sugar
 
chedapalooza said:
Fair enough, u cannot out train a poor diet, u certainly cannot out supplement a poor diet. I guess I just wanted to make a point that EC will help you lose fat "without trying" when diet is at least sensible... I don't eat any refined sugars/HFCS or fried foods or white bread products, etc.. My diet is very very low sugar
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I edited my OP because I fully read your post wrong. I thought you said you werent in an excess lol.

Yeah, EC can lean you out. My bad, i completely read that wrong.

I was simply meaning that you would have lost that weight anyway because I thought you were in a deficit.

I muddled the sentence where you said decreased cardio but increased calories. Thought you said decreased calories and increased cardio.
Blech.
 
Jiigzz said:
I edited my OP because I fully read your post wrong. I thought you said you werent in an excess lol.

Yeah, EC can lean you out. My bad, i completely read that wrong.

I was simply meaning that you would have lost that weight anyway because I thought you were in a deficit.

I muddled the sentence where you said decreased cardio but increased calories. Thought you said decreased calories and increased cardio.
Blech.
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Hah it's all good man. I rambled and didn't really write clearly, despite my degree in writing!
 
chedapalooza said:
Hah it's all good man. I rambled and didn't really write clearly, despite my degree in writing!
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You wrote clearly, i just didnt read clearly :D

Great progress though man for real. You've come a long way and you should be proud of that.

:D
 
My goal right now is to get as much fat off before I start a solid, lean bulk and maybe throw in some PH. ECA looks like the way to go so far, and Bronkaid is cheap along with aspirin and caffeine pills, so it won't hurt to try. I can control my diet pretty meticulously, so that's not the hard part for me. It's lower abdominal and lower back (love handles) that I can't get rid of, even at 6.4% I still had issues with those areas.
 
DipStrong said:
My goal right now is to get as much fat off before I start a solid, lean bulk and maybe throw in some PH. ECA looks like the way to go so far, and Bronkaid is cheap along with aspirin and caffeine pills, so it won't hurt to try. I can control my diet pretty meticulously, so that's not the hard part for me. It's lower abdominal and lower back (love handles) that I can't get rid of, even at 6.4% I still had issues with those areas.
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Yea eca should give you a perfect base (bf wise) to go Into a lean bulk with. Then u could maybe throw in a couple weeks of YCA to get rid of the stubborn belly and back fat, as YCA is more suitable to attack that type of adipose. YCA might even be worth a shot while on your lean bulk... Since it really will only work when fasted, u could do your cArdio and weights separately and pretty much control when you want to "build or burn"
 
DipStrong said:
My goal right now is to get as much fat off before I start a solid, lean bulk and maybe throw in some PH. ECA looks like the way to go so far, and Bronkaid is cheap along with aspirin and caffeine pills, so it won't hurt to try. I can control my diet pretty meticulously, so that's not the hard part for me. It's lower abdominal and lower back (love handles) that I can't get rid of, even at 6.4% I still had issues with those areas.
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Love handles are the worst for me also, but I haven't been down to single digit BF since I was a young lad, or ever to my knowledge
 
Agreed with Ched. When you get to a lower BF%, go with YHCL if you can handle it.
 
If I'm reading the OP right, Op wants know where he can find ephdrine hcl well thats what primatene is and walgreen's also has a store brand thats in hcl form so its easy to find
 
chedapalooza said:
Fair enough, u cannot out train a poor diet, u certainly cannot out supplement a poor diet. I guess I just wanted to make a point that EC will help you lose fat "without trying" when diet is at least sensible... I don't eat any refined sugars/HFCS or fried foods or white bread products, etc.. My diet is very very low sugar
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Unless you have type II diabetes, these shouldn't even be a concern for you! De novo lipogenesis from simple sugar/high GI carb intake is beyond negligible
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Unless you have type II diabetes, these shouldn't even be a concern for you! De novo lipogenesis from simple sugar/high GI carb intake is beyond negligible
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Yes!
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Unless you have type II diabetes, these shouldn't even be a concern for you! De novo lipogenesis from simple sugar/high GI carb intake is beyond negligible
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Whoa...that still doesn't mean it won't make you fat...this is the slipperiest of slippery slopes.
 
todd muelheim said:
Whoa...that still doesn't mean it won't make you fat...this is the slipperiest of slippery slopes.
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All things in context...and moderation. I'm not saying you can eat a ton of sugar and white bread and get away with it. I'm saying you shouldn't be avoiding them like the plague
 
mr.cooper69 said:
All things in context...and moderation. I'm not saying you can eat a ton of sugar and white bread and get away with it. I'm saying you shouldn't be avoiding them like the plague
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I agree. I've read many of the studies that I'm guessing you have as well on this topic and some of them are so poorly designed it's frightening. On top of that, just bc dnl is a minor pathway doesn't mean that copious amounts of sugar aren't going to activate/deactivate some other pathway that eventually leads to production of a spare tire around the stomach. Unfortunately, most people will read those articles or hear that dnl is rare and interpret it in the way that we all really want to interpret it.
 
drewsicle3210 said:
True, any and all macros. Like stated previous, moderation.
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Silly me, I assumed the spirit of this conversation was more akin to something along the lines of, " what is more dangerous, an assault rifle or a baseball bat?" I suppose they both can kill someone though.
 
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