ECA, Clen/T3, h drol/furazadrol, or both (hdrol/furaza/t3/clen) for a cut?

Which would be the best stack for a cut

  • Clen/T3

    Votes: 4 20.0%
  • hdrol/furazadrol

    Votes: 4 20.0%
  • ECA

    Votes: 3 15.0%
  • clen/t3/hdrol/furazadrol

    Votes: 8 40.0%
  • clen/t3/ECA

    Votes: 3 15.0%

  • Total voters
    20
I have never run T3 straight, i have read that you should ramp the dose up and back down, not sure on the consequences, but the research i did was pretty consistent on that point. I think 100mcg for 8 weeks will be more than you were bargaining for, that + clen, you'll be dropping weight pretty fast.
 
I have never run T3 straight, i have read that you should ramp the dose up and back down, not sure on the consequences, but the research i did was pretty consistent on that point. I think 100mcg for 8 weeks will be more than you were bargaining for, that + clen, you'll be dropping weight pretty fast.

i meant t3 and clen along with 3 bottles of hdrol or 2 depends whats best
 
also does liquid t3, liquid clen, or liquid clomid have to be kept refrigerated like IGF-1 lr3?
 
also does liquid t3, liquid clen, or liquid clomid have to be kept refrigerated like IGF-1 lr3?

no they dont if youre gonna use them all this year. just put em in a cool, dark space
 
I have never run T3 straight, i have read that you should ramp the dose up and back down, not sure on the consequences, but the research i did was pretty consistent on that point. I think 100mcg for 8 weeks will be more than you were bargaining for, that + clen, you'll be dropping weight pretty fast.

Yeah but you figure along side hdrol he probably wouldn't see much muscle wasting if any.

Although 100mcg is extremely excessive ran everyday. If you wanted to run 100mcg of T3 EOD that would be acceptable. I'm actually running T3 at 120mcg + 280mcg clen EOD....no muscle loss and am down 25lbs. Granted I did not start at those dosages either....I started that almost 6 weeks ago and have been slowly ramping up over time.
 
Yeah but you figure along side hdrol he probably wouldn't see much muscle wasting if any.

Although 100mcg is extremely excessive ran everyday. If you wanted to run 100mcg of T3 EOD that would be acceptable. I'm actually running T3 at 120mcg + 280mcg clen EOD....no muscle loss and am down 25lbs. Granted I did not start at those dosages either....I started that almost 6 weeks ago and have been slowly ramping up over time.

i just want to use it all...im gonna get a bottle of t3 which is 60ml @100mcg/ml so that would be like 2 months at 100 mcgso idk if i want to use it all or save it cuz man im still broke and i dont think i can afford another hdrol or any ph cyce anytime soon so i said to myself why not just go all out. good or bad?
 
can i run t3 for 8 weeks at 100mcg? (im gonna get a sweet deal on it)
so hdrol for 6 weeks, clen and t3 for 8 weeks, and then some clomid and some kind of thyroid support?
is clen EOD at 100mcg good? with benadryl throughout the whole cycle since i already do take it for sleeping
shoudl i add some stano drol? idk much about clomid anyone know good dosage?
should i do 3 bottles of hdrol or two? im looking to recomp slightly but mostly cut, i mean im not expecting to add 8lbs while loosing 15lb something more like 6lbs while loosing alot of fat 5-6%

T3 @ 100mcg for 8weeks? Thats kinda over the top bro, honestly the only difference then t3 @ 50mcg and t3 @ 100mcg is a 50% muscle loss differential. That extra 50 is only gonna shed more muscle then fat, but its your call. Also if you ramp down real slow like then theres not really any need for thyroid support because as your slowly ramping down, your slowly recovering simultaneously, so you should pretty much be around 80-100% recovered if done properly. Look on google for studies, its a proven method.

And as far as the clen EOD, thats pretty pointless cause ppl only do that to prevent down grading of the b2 receptors, but since your adding benadryl then that excludes the purpose of running clen EOD therfore you can just run it straight. I would also look into ketotifen instead as its clinically proven to upregulate and has other benefits aswell, and is mad cheap. I aslo wouldnt advise you take benadryl on a regular bases to sleep, it fuks with your nervous system and could have long term effects, not to mention its effects could possibly be worn out for you just as any other supplement would after dosing for too long:sigh:

as far as clomid, idk. But i dnt think it should be high being that your running the hdrol stand alone. So just off of memory id say something like 100/50? But you know clomids more of a testosterone recovery method, i advise you to also have a estrogen blocker.
 
Yeah but you figure along side hdrol he probably wouldn't see much muscle wasting if any.

Although 100mcg is extremely excessive ran everyday. If you wanted to run 100mcg of T3 EOD that would be acceptable. I'm actually running T3 at 120mcg + 280mcg clen EOD....no muscle loss and am down 25lbs. Granted I did not start at those dosages either....I started that almost 6 weeks ago and have been slowly ramping up over time.

Yo darkhalf can i ask why your running it like that, EOD? IMO your only beating the **** out of your heart EOD and giving it a 1 day rest in between. Whats the benefit of that?
 
okay so im thinking of doing this now

hdrol @ 50/75/100/100/100/100/75/50 (3 bottles) or i might do 50/75/75/75/75/75 (2 bottles) opinions on this?

t3 @ 50/50/100/100/50/50/50/50 (i think im gonna have some leftovers that might just go to waste)
and then im thinking of doing clenviscerate (eviscerate+clen clan something like 100mcg)
ill go with benadryl (im using it right now because allergies wont let me sleep and it helps with sleep since right now im on ECA)
then clomid (i look into dosage later)

this would be an 8 weeks cycle with maybe 2000 cals even maybe a lil more
weightraining everyday cardio something like 3-5miles after weightraining like 3-4 times a week
 
Yo darkhalf can i ask why your running it like that, EOD? IMO your only beating the **** out of your heart EOD and giving it a 1 day rest in between. Whats the benefit of that?

EOD clen/t3

in between those days SD + ketotifen fumarate to prevent muscle catabolism and keep receptors clear
 
so how does my cycle look?

Like ****. heres an example of how id do it-

WK 1-8 Clen, 40(ramp up to 160 by day 7)/160/160/160/160/160/160/160
WK 1-8 T3, 25/50/50/50/50/37.5/25/12.5
Wk 1-6 Hdrol,50/50/50/75/75/75/100/100

(remember everything also can stop at your desired tolerence lvl)

-Ketotifen Every 3rd week = 2mg ED
-Taurine 4-5g ED
-Multivitamin
-Etc...

-PCT
 
yes, no trouble, california

Funny cause I live here in L.A. And the ristrictions are so sick. Evm through amazon it says u must sent fax of ID to recieve product. And other sites won't ship to CA. Other than that my sources carry clen/alb, no ephedra though, keeps me wanting to try some that much more!
 
Funny cause I live here in L.A. And the ristrictions are so sick. Evm through amazon it says u must sent fax of ID to recieve product. And other sites won't ship to CA. Other than that my sources carry clen/alb, no ephedra though, keeps me wanting to try some that much more!

well yeah bro you have to send your ID. or just go to walgreens and get some.
 
tried the walgreens, its banned in CA, has been for like the past 3 years. Do u know if the kind u have is pure alkaloids, or just ephedra HCL or HCl?

mine is ephedra hcl
but if im not mistaken its approved by fda so i mean quality has to be good
 
mine is ephedra hcl
but if im not mistaken its approved by fda so i mean quality has to be good

Scratch that, just got 60tabs from walgreens. But yea i heard theres a diference between the HCL with a capital and the HCl with a lower case, cant remember exactly what though.. What does your ECA stack look like??
 
Scratch that, just got 60tabs from walgreens. But yea i heard theres a diference between the HCL with a capital and the HCl with a lower case, cant remember exactly what though.. What does your ECA stack look like??

really?, i doubt it man, i mean HCl stands for hydrochloride i mean i dont think it matters if its HCL or HCl.
im doing 25 E, 200 C, and 81 A twice a day
 
really?, i doubt it man, i mean HCl stands for hydrochloride i mean i dont think it matters if its HCL or HCl.
im doing 25 E, 200 C, and 81 A twice a day

In terms of synthetic and natural is the difference, i think HCL is man made, pretty much same value though i guess. How is that stack working out so far? You know you should sub the Asprin for some yohimbe it strengthens the effects, i honestly cant remember why the asprin is needed?
 
In terms of synthetic and natural is the difference, i think HCL is man made, pretty much same value though i guess. How is that stack working out so far? You know you should sub the Asprin for some yohimbe it strengthens the effects, i honestly cant remember why the asprin is needed?
knock your self out

Aspirin is more than just a pain killer. It has the potential to prevent insulin resistance and enhance insulin sensitivity, especially in obesity.
This, of course, will help with weight loss.

Science. 2001 Aug 31;293(5535):1673-7.

Reversal of obesity- and diet-induced insulin resistance with salicylates or targeted disruption of Ikkbeta.

We show that high doses of salicylates reverse hyperglycemia, hyperinsulinemia, and dyslipidemia in obese rodents by sensitizing insulin signaling. Activation or overexpression of the IkappaB kinase beta (IKKbeta)
attenuated insulin signaling in cultured cells, whereas IKKbeta inhibition reversed insulin resistance. Thus, IKKbeta, rather than the cyclooxygenases, appears to be the relevant molecular target. Heterozygous deletion (Ikkbeta+/-) protected against the development of insulin resistance during high-fat feeding and in obese Lep(ob/ob) mice. These findings implicate an inflammatory process in the pathogenesis of insulin resistance in obesity and type 2 diabetes mellitus and identify the IKKbeta pathway as a target for insulin sensitization.

J Clin Invest. 2001 Aug;108(3):437-46.

Prevention of fat-induced insulin resistance by salicylate.

Howard Hughes Medical Institute, Department of Internal Medicine, Yale
University School of Medicine, New Haven, Connecticut 06536-8012, USA.
Insulin resistance is a major factor in the pathogenesis of type 2 diabetes and may involve fat-induced activation of a serine kinase cascade involving
IKK-beta. To test this hypothesis, we first examined insulin action and signaling in awake rats during hyperinsulinemic-euglycemic clamps after a lipid infusion with or without pretreatment with salicylate, a known inhibitor of IKK-beta. Whole-body glucose uptake and metabolism were estimated using [3-(3)H]glucose infusion, and glucose uptake in individual tissues was estimated using [1-(14)C]2-deoxyglucose injection during the clamp. Here we show that lipid infusion decreased insulin-stimulated glucose uptake and activation of IRS-1-associated PI 3-kinase in skeletal muscle but that salicylate pretreatment prevented these lipid-induced effects. To examine the mechanism of salicylate action, we studied the effects of lipid infusion on insulin action and signaling during the clamp in awake mice lacking IKK-beta. Unlike the response in wild-type mice, IKK-beta knockout mice did not exhibit altered skeletal muscle insulin signaling and action following lipid infusion. In summary, high-dose salicylate and inactivation of IKK-beta prevent fat-induced insulin resistance in skeletal muscle by blocking fat-induced defects in insulin signaling and action and represent a potentially novel class of therapeutic agents for type 2 diabetes.

J Biol Chem. 2003 Jul 4;278(27):24944-50. Epub 2003 Apr 24.

Aspirin inhibits serine phosphorylation of insulin receptor substrate 1 in tumor necrosis factor-treated cells through targeting multiple serine kinases.

The hypoglycemic effects of high dose salicylates in the treatment of diabetes were documented before the advent of insulin. However, the molecular mechanisms by which salicylates exert these anti-diabetic effects are not well understood. In this study, we analyzed the effects of aspirin (acetylsalicylic acid) on serine phosphorylation of insulin receptor substrate 1 (IRS-1) in cells treated with tumor necrosis factor (TNF)-alpha.
Phosphorylation of IRS-1 at Ser307, Ser267, and Ser612 was monitored by immunoblotting with phospho-specific IRS-1 antibodies. In 3T3-L1 and Hep G2 cells, phosphorylation of IRS-1 at Ser307 in response to TNF-alpha treatment correlated with phosphorylation of JNK, c-Jun, and degradation of
IkappaBalpha. Moreover, phosphorylation of IRS-1 at Ser307 in embryo fibroblasts derived from either JNK or IKK knockout mice was reduced when compared with that in the wild-type controls. Taken together, these data suggest that serine phosphorylation of IRS-1 in response to TNF-alpha is mediated, in part, by JNK and IKK. Interestingly, aspirin treatment inhibited the phosphorylation of IRS-1 at Ser307 as well as the phosphorylation of JNK, c-Jun, and degradation of IkappaBalpha. Furthermore, other serine kinases including Akt, extracellular regulated kinase, mammalian target of rapamycin, and PKCzeta were also activated by TNF-alpha (as assessed by phospho-specific antibodies). Phosphorylation of IRS-1 at
Ser267 and Ser612 correlated with the activation of these kinases.
Phosphorylation of Akt and the mammalian target of rapamycin (but not extracellular regulated kinase or PKCzeta) in response to TNF-alpha was inhibited by aspirin treatment. Finally, aspirin rescued insulin-induced glucose uptake in 3T3-L1 adipocytes pretreated with TNF-alpha. We conclude that aspirin may enhance insulin sensitivity by protecting IRS proteins from serine phosphorylation catalyzed by multiple kinases.
 
I think Y will still be a better substitute - Invalid Link Removed

yohimbe activates alpha 1 but it also blocks beta 2. so its a give and take plus im out of money and i never noticed sh1t with yohimbe it did absolutely nothing for me so im sticking for aspirin for now but when that runs out i might get some to finish off my ECA/Y. if you care (you probably wont) but im down 8-10 lbs. im pretty happy thought i would tell someone =D
 
yohimbe activates alpha 1 but it also blocks beta 2. so its a give and take plus im out of money and i never noticed sh1t with yohimbe it did absolutely nothing for me so im sticking for aspirin for now but when that runs out i might get some to finish off my ECA/Y. if you care (you probably wont) but im down 8-10 lbs. im pretty happy thought i would tell someone =D

Blocks Beta-2?? If that was the case then i seriously HIGHLY doubt we'd even see EC&Y as an option. Good to see that your down 8-10lbs but which one is it 8 or 10. Cmon you cant just look in the mirror and tell urself how much weight you lost lol. Btw the reason why the Y is added is to help with the lower body fat more, rather then to just increase the effect of E.
 
Blocks Beta-2?? If that was the case then i seriously HIGHLY doubt we'd even see EC&Y as an option. Good to see that your down 8-10lbs but which one is it 8 or 10. Cmon you cant just look in the mirror and tell urself how much weight you lost lol. Btw the reason why the Y is added is to help with the lower body fat more, rather then to just increase the effect of E.

it depends in morning im down 10 and sometimes i weigh my self and im down 8 so depends on the time, idk i have some energy pills with yohimbe maybe ill take it with my E
 
it depends in morning im down 10 and sometimes i weigh my self and im down 8 so depends on the time, idk i have some energy pills with yohimbe maybe ill take it with my E

Sorry to brake your heart bro, but its called water weight:sad3:. You retain about 2lbs during your sleep bcuz your not drinking anything so your bodies storing it to keep you hydrated throughout the night, and throughout the next day you drop it. Thats why when you wake up in the morning the first thing you gotta do is take a mean piss. But hey glad to see you lost all your unnessasary water weight. So from here on out it should be all fatloss!
 
Sorry to brake your heart bro, but its called water weight:sad3:. You retain about 2lbs during your sleep bcuz your not drinking anything so your bodies storing it to keep you hydrated throughout the night, and throughout the next day you drop it. Thats why when you wake up in the morning the first thing you gotta do is take a mean piss. But hey glad to see you lost all your unnessasary water weight. So from here on out it should be all fatloss!

10LBS OF WATER WEIGHT?
no way 10lbs of water isnt that i little much?
 
10LBS OF WATER WEIGHT?
no way 10lbs of water isnt that i little much?

No thats actually just right. How was your water intake before? Were you using any creatine? The ephedrine is what made all that water weight drop because of the heat it turns up in your body. When i first begin dieting i usually dont count the weight loss in the 1st week bcuz of this huge misconception. It will boost your cofidence at 1st but throw you waaaay off track later on down the road, and you'll b upset once you notice your only droping 1lbs a week now. Btw did you know we can also carry up to 20lbs of pooh!
 
No thats actually just right. How was your water intake before? Were you using any creatine? The ephedrine is what made all that water weight drop because of the heat it turns up in your body. When i first begin dieting i usually dont count the weight loss in the 1st week bcuz of this huge misconception. It will boost your cofidence at 1st but throw you waaaay off track later on down the road, and you'll b upset once you notice your only droping 1lbs a week now. Btw did you know we can also carry up to 20lbs of pooh!

really well atleast its out of the way now. and yes i was using kre alkalyn im actually still using it to maintain some muscle. dont matter though im gonna keep going...

eeeeeeeeuuuuuuuuuuuu 20 lbs of poo. lol
 
really well atleast its out of the way now. and yes i was using kre alkalyn im actually still using it to maintain some muscle. dont matter though im gonna keep going...

eeeeeeeeuuuuuuuuuuuu 20 lbs of poo. lol

lol yea up to 20lbs but most carry like around 10. have u noticed any bloating with tha Kre?
 
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