EC (ephedrine) + Alpha-T2 stack

Thanks! That excerpt was perfect. It doesn't seem to be banned by many of the natty feds when used for fat-loss simply because it's not a PH and doesn't lead to significant increases in test. Looks like we're good to go!


The nomenclature on Erase is a bit annoying though, would have just preferred a simple 7-Keto DHEA. lol
 
DaveGabe24 said:
Thanks! That excerpt was perfect. It doesn't seem to be banned by many of the natty feds when used for fat-loss simply because it's not a PH and doesn't lead to significant increases in test. Looks like we're good to go!


The nomenclature on Erase is a bit annoying though, would have just preferred a simple 7-Keto DHEA. lol
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you mean 3,7 Keto! :D
 
DaveGabe24 said:
Thanks! That excerpt was perfect. It doesn't seem to be banned by many of the natty feds when used for fat-loss simply because it's not a PH and doesn't lead to significant increases in test. Looks like we're good to go!


The nomenclature on Erase is a bit annoying though, would have just preferred a simple 7-Keto DHEA. lol
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No worries, Dave :)

You'll find most ingredient profiles contain the scientific/chemical nomenclature and not the 'common' name.

~Rosie~
 
Superpippo said:
but isn't running alpha t2 and ECA like running the ecy stack? I always read it's not really safe...
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It's similar, not the same. The word "safe" is relative to the individual.

~Rosie~
 
So after reading the very first post now I am considering doing the following stack
e (25 twice a day)
at-2 (1 twice a day)
oep (1 twice a day)
erase (1 twice a day. morning and before bed)

:firedevil:
 
damn you guys :fool2:. i though i had a stacked picked out for fat burning + maintaining (possibly gaining) lean muscle mass, ECA+battle fuel.

now im leaning towards ECA+AT2+erase. i would throw OEP in there as i have an open bottle here but me and 1,3-Dimethylamylamine dont get along too well. actually its the only sup that bothers me.

im losing my mind with all the reading in the last few weeks.

my current supps:
now adam -multi
animal omega
animal rage - pre
purple wraath - pre, intra, post
now whey - post
ECA (primatene) 25,200,81 3x daily, might cut all in half and take every 2hr's

and my diet is clean.
if i add at2+erase would there be anything else beneficial to add in?

sorry for the long post and for your patience.
 
Jasonlb7 said:
damn you guys :fool2:. i though i had a stacked picked out for fat burning + maintaining (possibly gaining) lean muscle mass, ECA+battle fuel.

now im leaning towards ECA+AT2+erase. i would throw OEP in there as i have an open bottle here but me and 1,3-Dimethylamylamine dont get along too well. actually its the only sup that bothers me.

im losing my mind with all the reading in the last few weeks.

my current supps:
now adam -multi
animal omega
animal rage - pre
purple wraath - pre, intra, post
now whey - post
ECA (primatene) 25,200,81 3x daily, might cut all in half and take every 2hr's

and my diet is clean.
if i add at2+erase would there be anything else beneficial to add in?

sorry for the long post and for your patience.
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There is nothing wrong with ECA and BattleFuel.

You don't need to add OEP if you're using Alpha-T2 and Erase, IMO - they do a decent job all by themselves.

If you've never used some of all of the products that you plan on adding to your current stack, then I recommend staggering the start of them, using one for a week by itself (with your usual supplements) before adding the next one in, so that you know how you respond to each of them and have an idea of what effects are given by each.

You could even stack BattleFuel with Alpha-T2 and Erase - I plan on doing this come July. Or you can use BattleFuel standalone with your current stack, then use Erase standalone, then Alpha-T2 standalone, etc. Or go as planned with the ECA?BattleFuel and once you have done that use Alpha-T2/Erase.

In the end, what you do is entirely up to you. Remember that regardless of what you use, if you want to recomp, your NUTRITION needs to be better than "my diet is clean", but it needs to be manipulated specifically for YOU for it, since whether you recomp successfully or not will be predominantly dependent on your nutrition!

~Rosie~
 
Jasonlb7 said:
damn you guys :fool2:. i though i had a stacked picked out for fat burning + maintaining (possibly gaining) lean muscle mass, ECA+battle fuel.

now im leaning towards ECA+AT2+erase. i would throw OEP in there as i have an open bottle here but me and 1,3-Dimethylamylamine dont get along too well. actually its the only sup that bothers me.

im losing my mind with all the reading in the last few weeks.

my current supps:
now adam -multi
animal omega
animal rage - pre
purple wraath - pre, intra, post
now whey - post
ECA (primatene) 25,200,81 3x daily, might cut all in half and take every 2hr's

and my diet is clean.
if i add at2+erase would there be anything else beneficial to add in?

sorry for the long post and for your patience.
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I dont see any synergy between battlefuel and ECA

The synergy of the Rauwsolcine HCl like in Alpha-T2 with beta agonists like Ephedrine and/or methyl-synephrine and a PED and Adenosine receptor antagonist like Caffeine simply cannot be beat. Be aware this is very powerful though.

Even OEP + AT2 is extremely powerful

The anti-catabolic effects of Erase make a great addition for muscle preservation

No need for the aspirin IMO

Unless you have extensive stim use, I would go OEP+AT2+Erase before ephedrine
 
thanks for the info guys.
rosie, yes i plan on slowly integrating them into my current cycle to asses my reaction. it takes alot of stims to get me going but i am still very careful.

natty i wont take OEP because i have a bad relationship with 1,3-Dimethylamylamine (severe tremors). nothing else gets me like that stuff. why not take an 81mg asprin with the eca? in all my research i have not found conclusively for or against taking it. i figure a total of 243mg a day spead out cant be bad.

school me if you have any info please. im a sponge for knowledge and use the search box almost too much so i get a lot of conflicting info.

also would there be an advantage to add shift into this stack? seems like a few supps doing the same thing at that point but im not sure.
 
Jasonlb7 said:
thanks for the info guys.
rosie, yes i plan on slowly integrating them into my current cycle to asses my reaction. it takes alot of stims to get me going but i am still very careful.

natty i wont take OEP because i have a bad relationship with 1,3-Dimethylamylamine (severe tremors). nothing else gets me like that stuff. why not take an 81mg asprin with the eca? in all my research i have not found conclusively for or against taking it. i figure a total of 243mg a day spead out cant be bad.

school me if you have any info please. im a sponge for knowledge and use the search box almost too much so i get a lot of conflicting info.

also would there be an advantage to add shift into this stack? seems like a few supps doing the same thing at that point but im not sure.
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No worries :)

Some people, instead of using aspirin for the "A" in the ECA stack use Alpha-Yohimbine - which is in Alpha-T2. Josh will go more into detail re why he recommends no aspirin, but IMO using Alpha-T2 instead of the former is a better stack.

There really is no need to add Shift in as well if you are using Alpha-T2; the only reason I could see is if you wanted to make the stack more of a non-stim stack, and then you would just replace some of your Alpha-T2 doses with Shift.

I recommend that you download and look through the Invalid Link Removed for more detail on how you can stack PES products together.

~Rosie~
 
Jasonlb7 said:
thanks for the info guys.
rosie, yes i plan on slowly integrating them into my current cycle to asses my reaction. it takes alot of stims to get me going but i am still very careful.

natty i wont take OEP because i have a bad relationship with 1,3-Dimethylamylamine (severe tremors). nothing else gets me like that stuff. why not take an 81mg asprin with the eca? in all my research i have not found conclusively for or against taking it. i figure a total of 243mg a day spead out cant be bad.

school me if you have any info please. im a sponge for knowledge and use the search box almost too much so i get a lot of conflicting info.

also would there be an advantage to add shift into this stack? seems like a few supps doing the same thing at that point but im not sure.
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No reason to add Shift.

As for the aspirin, it does have its benefits, and I wouldnt go past 81mg per day. It has just been noted through the past few years that no one notices a different with or without the aspirin.

The original idea what that it had a synergistic effect on prostaglandins
 
Jasonlb7 said:
thanks rosie. definetly sound advise.
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No worries - just trying to make things as effective and uncomplicated for you as possible :)

~Rosie~
 
Jasonlb7 said:
thanks for the info guys.
rosie, yes i plan on slowly integrating them into my current cycle to asses my reaction. it takes alot of stims to get me going but i am still very careful.

natty i wont take OEP because i have a bad relationship with 1,3-Dimethylamylamine (severe tremors). nothing else gets me like that stuff. why not take an 81mg asprin with the eca? in all my research i have not found conclusively for or against taking it. i figure a total of 243mg a day spead out cant be bad.

school me if you have any info please. im a sponge for knowledge and use the search box almost too much so i get a lot of conflicting info.

also would there be an advantage to add shift into this stack? seems like a few supps doing the same thing at that point but im not sure.
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Trust me, the 243mg a day is to much. 1 baby asprin is all you need if you use it. I thought the same as you before I did my research and 2 weeks into it I popped a zit and it didnt quit bleeding for 4 hours, and it bled alot.

Asprin has a long half life and builds up, 1 baby asprin a day... no more.
 
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