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DYMETHAZI9E and TR3ST Log.

My leg lifts have really been the best part of this cycle. Far more motivation and strength than usual.
Squats
135x12
185x12
225x5
275x5
315x6
335x5
345x5
Hack Squat Machine
4 plates on each side did 10 8 and 6 reps
Leg extensions
225x10
225x10
225x8
Deadlifts
225x10
315x6
365x5
405x3
 
So even though I am a big fan of Olympus labs, I have read a ton of reviews on Follidrone and it looks pretty good. It seems the dosing is more in line with the amounts taken in any studies. So the question is Ep1c vs Follidrone which is better? It appears that mg for mg Ep1c is priced better, but is there really any benefit to taking 300mg vs 150mg? And is there any advantage to splitting up the dose like 150 in the morning then another 150 pre workout?
 
Just finishing Follidrone now. Personally, with the OL sale at Nutra right now, it's a no brainier to go with EP1C. Great reviews on both.
 
CT3 said:
Just finishing Follidrone now. Personally, with the OL sale at Nutra right now, it's a no brainier to go with EP1C. Great reviews on both.
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Thanks. I don't see any sale on their site though. Still probably go with epic though.
 
CT3 said:
I think it's like $38 per bottle? That's a heckuva deal!
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Says 49.99. I think I will just get the advanced post cycle therapy stack, saves quite a bit and you get Ostar1ne, Ep1c, Dermastrength, and super PCT. I already have the latter but I am sure I will make use of it later.
 
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Thanks, your earlier comment clarifying it was Nutraplanet was all I needed. Saved me about 50 bucks total on my order. Appreciate it man.
 
Lethargy swamped me, my mind was walking through a bog on its journey today. I compounded that by drinking an energy drink, I had been able to stay away from them for 3 weeks. Felt great for about 2 hours after then felt like total sh*t. My Chest and arms Hypertrophy workout today was running completely on mental self discipline, zero inspiration. Still got an amazing pump and put up some decent weight, I'm going to make it a point to attempt to get 9 hours of sleep per night from now on and 10+ on the weekends.
I'm also getting weird effects both symptoms of too high and too low estrogen, lots of blood tests and time have made me pretty in tune with my body and what is going on with hormone levels but this has me stumped. I have tell tale signs of both. Gonna go tomorrow or Saturday for more blood work, usually it is about a 3 to 5 work day turn around for results.
 
A couple pounds of sirloin a cup of red potatoes and a sh1tload of green beans for supper.

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walbeast said:
About damn time! I'll pay top dollar for them codes!
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They've been on the black market for a while not easy to get your hands on though, not like your mom.
 
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Weight was 183 this morning. Up 11 pounds total since Day 1. Muscles are also looking much rounder and fuller.
 
I'm sure it is different for everyone but my conversion was pretty bad. I used 2 pumps per day of transform plus .50 mg of anastrazole for 5 days before I balanced out and felt my nipples receding back to normal. You definitely need a powerful ai on hand, I prefer aromisin or exemestane but anastrozole was all I could get my hands on at short notice.
 
Thought I'd throw up a pic to demonstrate the incredible fullness that I think mostly the dymethazi9e has provided. I'm at 3 weeks today, halfway through the cycle.

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Bult said:
Thought I'd throw up a pic to demonstrate the incredible fullness that I think mostly the dymethazi9e has provided. I'm at 3 weeks today, halfway through the cycle.

<img src="http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=105186"/>
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Damn son looking good
 
Bult said:
Thank you both. My right side is not nearly as good, my right delt simply refuses to grow, and the bicep looks much softer. Such is the struggle of a lifter though.
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Yeah man. Nice work.

But same for me! Except it's my left side. My left lat and left arm just seems a tad smaller. Not sure what can really be done about it besides working it seperately. Which I don't really want to do.
 
djchach said:
Yeah man. Nice work.

But same for me! Except it's my left side. My left lat and left arm just seems a tad smaller. Not sure what can really be done about it besides working it seperately. Which I don't really want to do.
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Well it is odd because I am right handed, my left side is stronger but more awkward, like a big retard living inside me. I try to hit one or two right side only exercises with dumbbells but I am not much into spending a half hour at the gym for only my right side, as I think that would be detrimental to my strength gains as a whole. I guess I can put up some full pics and you all may judge me as you see fit, that's why I'm here after all.
 
texas556 said:
Nice brah.
So your up to 50mg Dym, 75mg Tr3st, 75mg APro yes?
Im on the same trip.
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I am at 40 mg dymethazine. I'm thinking about upping it to 60 but I am gonna see what happens with Devildog first. I am sure I will stay on 75mg of tr3st throughout however as I am already battling estrogen. If you mean arimicare pro i am taking 5 a day which is 1250 mg of TUDCA and 250 of arimistane or whatever they call it. Androst 3,5-dien-7,17-dione. It also has various other ingredients at various dosages.
 
Bult said:
I am at 40 mg dymethazine. I'm thinking about upping it to 60 but I am gonna see what happens with Devildog first. I am sure I will stay on 75mg of tr3st throughout however as I am already battling estrogen. If you mean arimicare pro i am taking 5 a day which is 1250 mg of TUDCA and 250 of arimistane or whatever they call it. Androst 3,5-dien-7,17-dione. It also has various other ingredients at various dosages.
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isn't 5 a day only 250mg TUDCA and 62.5mg Androst 3,5-dien-7,17-dione?
 
It is my secret code language, divide everything I say by .25 Haha. I just misread, really clears up a lot though I was like man this must be some weak sh*t.
 
Just got my osta, ep1c and dermastrength along with another bottle of transform. Still not entirely sure how, or in what doses I will use the Ostar1ne but regardless, this is the first time I have ever been excited about PCT. I may save the Osta for 4 weeks after the cycle and run it with another month of ep1c to help tide me over psychologically till my next cycle Jan 1st.
 
eazy57 said:
I'm jealous. Low on funds ATM...
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As am I.... now. Haha time to take to the street corner, will give BJ's for gainz.
 
lilbigman1 said:
Is 50mg ED trest good enough for a 5 week dmz? and what should i dose aromaisn at
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If you are getting aromasin I would say go ahead and dose trest at 75. But that depends on how experienced you are and how well you can spot negative sides like high estrogen levels. I found the tr3st to be very easy on me aside from the conversion, no problems with high BP or headaches or any other sides, and I have been dosing at 75 mg ED. As far as dosage goes for the aromasin, once again that is where being in tune with your own body will help, anywhere from 20 to 50 mg a day. I respond pretty positively at 20 mg per day then go from there as you find necessary. You might try just the DMZ though, depending on how you do with lethargy on cycle, I'm pretty sure the majority of my size gains have come from the DMZ, it really makes your muscles beautiful too, so round and full looking.
 
Bult said:
If you are getting aromasin I would say go ahead and dose trest at 75. But that depends on how experienced you are and how well you can spot negative sides like high estrogen levels. I found the tr3st to be very easy on me aside from the conversion, no problems with high BP or headaches or any other sides, and I have been dosing at 75 mg ED. As far as dosage goes for the aromasin, once again that is where being in tune with your own body will help, anywhere from 20 to 50 mg a day. I respond pretty positively at 20 mg per day then go from there as you find necessary. You might try just the DMZ though, depending on how you do with lethargy on cycle, I'm pretty sure the majority of my size gains have come from the DMZ, it really makes your muscles beautiful too, so round and full looking.
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im just worrried about libido and the girlfriend haha, although i dont remember any problems. most of my cycles are only 3 weeks long and i get good results this one ill be pushing 5weeks. maybe ill just load up on some test boosters like HCgenerate
 
My libido always crashes, I still always function correctly if you know what I mean I just don't have the inherent instinctive drive. I forget about sex frequently while I'm on. I look at it the same way as lethargy though, yeah you feel tired and slow and sh*tty, but you still just have to do sh1t. It's mind over matter, sometimes you have to sexy time even when you aren't completely into it to keep people happy. I just consider that the price I pay for gains.
 
Bult said:
My libido always crashes, I still always function correctly if you know what I mean I just don't have the inherent instinctive drive. I forget about sex frequently while I'm on. I look at it the same way as lethargy though, yeah you feel tired and slow and sh*tty, but you still just have to do sh1t. It's mind over matter, sometimes you have to sexy time even when you aren't completely into it to keep people happy. I just consider that the price I pay for gains.
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You die over there?
 
I have been keeping to the same schedule, just nothing extraordinary really happening. I increased DMZ to 60 and tr3st to 100 on Saturday and I have felt pretty good. I mostly increased it because I still have 12 days worth left even at the higher dose, and it's been fun but I am ready to move on. Put on two more pounds so I am up to 185 right now. I am having a lot of trouble increasing by bench by much, I started using a barbell on power day and the Dumbbells on hypertrophy day at week two, and I think the fact that those two workouts are only separated by one day is making it hard to recover enough to hit heavy weights on power day. I did have a rep PR on Saturday with flat bench and Pendlay rows, and Sunday with squats.

Saturday
Pendlay rows 225x5 Rep PR
Flat Barbell Bench press 285x5 rep PR
Sunday
Squat 375x6 rep PR
 
what do yall think about running dymethazi9e without the Tr3st? is it sufficient by itself and the Tr3st just adds to the gains, or do you recommend running them together? No reason behind not running the Tr3st just curious
 
Mharlow10 said:
what do yall think about running dymethazi9e without the Tr3st? is it sufficient by itself and the Tr3st just adds to the gains, or do you recommend running them together? No reason behind not running the Tr3st just curious
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On a purely cost/benefit aspect i'm not really sure the tr3st is worth it. It is easily more than double the cost of any other PH and I just don't see the production from it to merit such a value. I am sure the requirements, expense of the compound etc. create the necessity for the price, but the gains do not. Of course everyone is different this may be a unique assessment on my part. It is certainly as good or better than anything else I have taken, but not 200% better by any means to merit the expenditure. If money is not an issue then go for it! It is worth it in that respect, just make sure you have an AI because the estrogen has been a nightmare for me, controllable but it certainly necessitated constant attention. I think the benefit of combining the two is fighting the lethargy and poor mood brought on by dymethazi9e, but tr3st only worked well for that for about 3 weeks then I was faced with just dealing with it like I normally do or upping the tr3st dose which would risk further estrogen problems. If you can mentally combat lethargy and poor libido then you might try DMZ solo. Just my opinion.
 
Bult said:
On a purely cost/benefit aspect i'm not really sure the tr3st is worth it. It is easily more than double the cost of any other PH and I just don't see the production from it to merit such a value. I am sure the requirements, expense of the compound etc. create the necessity for the price, but the gains do not. Of course everyone is different this may be a unique assessment on my part. It is certainly as good or better than anything else I have taken, but not 200% better by any means to merit the expenditure. If money is not an issue then go for it! It is worth it in that respect, just make sure you have an AI because the estrogen has been a nightmare for me, controllable but it certainly necessitated constant attention. I think the benefit of combining the two is fighting the lethargy and poor mood brought on by dymethazi9e, but tr3st only worked well for that for about 3 weeks then I was faced with just dealing with it like I normally do or upping the tr3st dose which would risk further estrogen problems. If you can mentally combat lethargy and poor libido then you might try DMZ solo. Just my opinion.
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I'm gunna run dmz solo soon but gunna run a good test booster with it
 
lilbigman1 said:
I'm gunna run dmz solo soon but gunna run a good test booster with it
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Test boosters on cycle are 100% a waste of money. They basically provide extra resources to produce more test, but you'll be shut down. Even the ones that are legitimate.

Tr3st, when I use it, is more of a feel good, prevent lethargy, libido and keep my appetite aide. It also contributes to mass and strength but I stack it more so for the former.
 
Their functionality is reduced to the extent that your bodies natural indicators for the production of test is reduced because of the presence of external hormonal influence. Leaving them virtually useless on cycle, and only of very moderate benefit off cycle.

I do like tr3st, it has increased my appetite I think but I think anyone using dymethazi9e alone would have an appetite through the roof anyway. I didn't mean to knock tr3st, I love it, I just think it would be the first thing I would drop if I was low on fundage.
 
So how can anything that combats lethargy and libido loss be a waste of money? Overpriced maybe.. but a waste? I'm currently low on funds and the price of Tr3st is crazy. I hated the lethargy in my first cycle. But if the effects are minimal, I'd forgo the Tr3st.
 
eazy57 said:
So how can anything that combats lethargy and libido loss be a waste of money? Overpriced maybe.. but a waste? I'm currently low on funds and the price of Tr3st is crazy. I hated the lethargy in my first cycle. But if the effects are minimal, I'd forgo the Tr3st.
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I did not say it was a waste of money. nor did I say it was overpriced. In fact I said the complete opposite. Something that is priced correctly must be priced not only by effectiveness but also cost of production, I do not assume simply because something has a high price tag attached to it that it is overpriced. In fact even an item lacking in significant demonstrable effect in relation to price is not necessarily over priced if the production cost necessitates such a value for compensation. In that case the market for the item will simply determine it to be unprofitable and it will disappear or hold a niche market among those buyers with a greater amount of cash to spend.

What I meant was that if something had to be removed, tr3st would be the first thing to go based on an analysis of the cost vs benefit. It does combat lethargy, it does increase my appetite, I have not noticed a huge positive affect on libido after the third week, I have had estrogen sides to fight which increases the cost because of an AI and I think reduces some of the benefits. AI's have a negative affect on libido, energy levels, joint comfort and appetite in some cases so I am sure if you could take the tr3st without needing a prescription strength AI then you would notice the positive benefits to a greater extent. I think in the future I may try epistane and tr3st together because for me epistane is a very effective anti estrogen, it even completely got rid of some mild gyno I had from a prior cycle. Hopefully the two will cancel each other out and I can have perfect joints and no e sides and work out with unicorns and rainbows the entire cycle.
 
After upping the dosage to 60 mg dymethazine and 100mg tr3st I have been noticing rapid changes in size, strength, and weight. I increased dosage on Saturday an I am already up 5 pounds since then, whereas my weight gain had almost stalled in the previous week, I only added 2 pounds the entire week. I also feel like a walking brick ****house and every weight feels easy. I did the chest and arms hypertrophy today and I used 120 pound dumbells for the speed DB presses.
Dosed 20mgDMZ and 25mg tr3st in the morning at 6am, another of the same dosage at 12pm and 25 more mg of tr3st pre workout. I just took the same dose as the morning at 630pm.
Workout was PHAT chest and arms hypertrophy day
Flat DB bench press
80x12 warmup
95x6 (my normal weight)
110x5
115x5
125x5
125x5
125x5
125x5
Incline DB
85x12
90x8
90x8
95x6 rep PR
Chest press hammer strength machine
70 on each side
X15
X13
X12


That was not all I did, just the ones where you can see the increase in strength from previous workouts. I had great in between set recovery. Excellent pump and great energy and motivation.
 
Bult said:
After upping the dosage to 60 mg dymethazine and 100mg tr3st I have been noticing rapid changes in size, strength, and weight. I increased dosage on Saturday an I am already up 5 pounds since then, whereas my weight gain had almost stalled in the previous week, I only added 2 pounds the entire week. I also feel like a walking brick ****house and every weight feels easy. I did the chest and arms hypertrophy today and I used 120 pound dumbells for the speed DB presses.
Dosed 20mgDMZ and 25mg tr3st in the morning at 6am, another of the same dosage at 12pm and 25 more mg of tr3st pre workout. I just took the same dose as the morning at 630pm.
Workout was PHAT chest and arms hypertrophy day
Flat DB bench press
80x12 warmup
95x6 (my normal weight)
110x5
115x5
125x5
125x5
125x5
125x5
Incline DB
85x12
90x8
90x8
95x6 rep PR
Chest press hammer strength machine
70 on each side
X15
X13
X12


That was not all I did, just the ones where you can see the increase in strength from previous workouts. I had great in between set recovery. Excellent pump and great energy and motivation.
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Good **** man i just ordered a bottle ;)
 
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