DS SuperStim

T-Bone said:
No, I don't think so at all. PES products are pushed or mentioned in almost every single thread when someone is looking for a supplement. Just start a thread on Protein and see what happens....
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I like PES, but their protein is probably the worst I've ever had.
 
T-Bone said:
No, I don't think so at all. PES products are pushed or mentioned in almost every single thread when someone is looking for a supplement. Just start a thread on Protein and see what happens....
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HV isn't bad. I haven't tried the protein at all. I personally loved Alphamine, but I think it boils down to personal preference, along with profile.

For example, I really like the apple green mag by CL. I like the profile and I like the taste. It's pretty chalky, but that's just a weird thing that I don't mind at all.

Any company is going to push their product on here. They are trying to make money. That's why the logging opportunities on here are solid. Sure, you'll always get people biased to leave a good review because it was free, but there are honest ones. Just have to weigh everything and eventually take the "plunge" and see for yourself.
 
Aaron.Cole said:
HV isn't bad. I haven't tried the protein at all. I personally loved Alphamine, but I think it boils down to personal preference, along with profile.

For example, I really like the apple green mag by CL. I like the profile and I like the taste. It's pretty chalky, but that's just a weird thing that I don't mind at all.

Any company is going to push their product on here. They are trying to make money. That's why the logging opportunities on here are solid. Sure, you'll always get people biased to leave a good review because it was free, but there are honest ones. Just have to weigh everything and eventually take the "plunge" and see for yourself.
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No one likes a pushy salesman. What do you mean by "logging opportunities are solid"?.
 
ninja87 said:
I still got craze and detonate going on but will look at this in the future after a few more reviews panel in. Don't know why people say they purposely not buy from DS due to there sketchy past.....All companies are sketchy.

Hell most including the big ones were found out for putting incorrect protein amounts on there products and filling it with fillers and sugars instead of the label listing. DS sell top notch stuff (apart from Craze2) imo.

If craze was not banned there would be no pre workout industry left as Craze would be the only thing that would of been purchased as it was so much better then anything in the same category.
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not all companies are sketchy- sorry to make such a blanket statement like that is asinine. As far as Craze being great, everyone has their opinion, I certainly dont share yours.

Sorry but the only thing you seem to really care about and think the rest of us do ( please for the future, dont speak the masses) "Does it make you high? That is all we care about. "

No, I care if their is an ingredient in the product that will kill me.

ps
have a nice night
 
Aaron.Cole said:
It's not hard. Just follow the fallacy and the context of Vaughn's post.

Here's an example: Let's say an employee at GNC tries to sell me overpriced creatine by MuscleTech. I call him out on it. Employee acts like a complete twat and yells me out of GNC. Now, I know that creatine product probably isn't the best option, profile-wise or cost-wise. I also know GNC stocks PES's High Volume, along with others many use on this forum. If I tell my friends that the GNC employee was a complete jerk and tried to upsell me something that wasn't worth it, I'm not calling every product at GNC crap. If I see that GNC employee trying to sell a different product to my friends, but this product's company has been known for shady business in the past, I'm gonna call the employee out on it in front of my friends. A lot of my attitude will have to do with how the employee treated me in the past.

While not a perfect comparison, I think it gets the point across. Attitude in response to any accusation is key.
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I agree. But the fact that I banned him from a forum, and he doesn't like me, does not give him the right to trash the brands and products I represent and sell. This is a huge rookie mistake and most companies will fire a rep if they risk hurting their reputation.

Now i have nothing against this kid. He brought up issues because I said a product was better then Hi Techs Mesomorph. The product was an old iforce employees brand. It contained Arginine. Nevertheless on 'my" store I have 10/10 reviews on this product. Meso has 9/10. Both are good. Whether "arginine" works is irrelevant, because the product is good, and arginine is one of a dozen ingredients that are tried and true.

. Anyways, the separation of the employee from Iforce was not on positive terms. Suddenly Hi Tech buys Iforce and now this kid Vaughan comes on a forum and starts trashing a product from an ex Iforce employee. If anyone can't see this was an issue, then you are blind. That is why he was banned. Arguing arginine all day is fine on a forum. This was old vengeance coming back. Unacceptable.

This DS product is awesome. I do sell it but I also sell every product that is good. No secret to being successful. Find and sell what is best. Which is what I do. I also personally try these products and review them neutrally. I only started selling DS SuperStim after Anthony Roberts told me about it. Once I tried it, I was sold. My clients tried it they were sold

The only review on here came from someone I don't know and they agreed.

How much better can it get? It's an unbiased review. Product is good. Love or Hate me, it doesn't matter.
 
VaughnTrue said:
EVERYONE STAY FAR FAR AWAY FROM THIS GUY, he is doing nothing except trying to pad his wallet with your money.
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yes because all other supplement companies just want us to make gains with the best of intentions, they dont care about money and profit maximization at all
 
The cognitive dissonance to directly negate science is astounding to me. Brb, you push an arginine + caffeine product the most in your store, so it sells. Man, that must make the formula great!


Anyone listening to this guy needs their head checked out.
 
Gwyndane said:
yes because all other supplement companies just want us to make gains with the best of intentions, they dont care about money and profit maximization at all
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Like I stated previously, I'm not discussing DS or the product at hand. Just this guy as a person.



He has absolutely zero knowledge on supplement science, and claims to...yet can never seem to post any up. You want to listen to someone who thinks arginine + caffeine = a great pre-wo, that's on you. The rest of us will stick to actual science.
 
and LOL at me having no competitions under my belt.

1. Should someones history of competitions impact their understanding of the science of supplements?
2. I did compete, at the 2007 NPC Mr. Connecticut and won the light heavyweight class. I have not competed since nor do I plan to.



so now am I part of the cool club Wesley? Or do you need to explain your years of expertise and how you were formulating/manufacturing supplements when I "was in diapers" despite us being the same age?


Also, when are you going to post the studies you claim to have on arginine? I've been waiting weeks at this point.
 
Vaughan, you gotta be one of the most annoying individuals I have met in my years on the forums. Only difference here is members aren't begging for you to be banned like they were on FB.

I'm done. Nothing more to say honestly. Manipulate the story all you want, but remember other "companies" are watching. Ty for everyone else commenting and debating.
 
WesleyInman said:
Vaughan, you gotta be one of the most annoying individuals I have met in my years on the forums. Only difference here is members aren't begging for you to be banned like they were on FB.

I'm done. Nothing more to say honestly. Manipulate the story all you want, but remember other "companies" are watching. Ty for everyone else commenting and debating.
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Other companies are watching...oh no, please, anything but that!

You can end this all very quickly.

1. Post the arginine studies you claimed to have. Shut me up and show me how smart you are!
2. Post your evidence that you have been formulating and manufacturing dietary supplements since I was in diapers.
3. Explain how someones bodybuilding experience in any way dictates their knowledge on dietary supplements



You talk nonsense, and I treat you as such...nonsense. When you can articulate a single sentence without lying, embellishing, or shilling, I'll be here to have an actual discussion with you.
 
VaughnTrue said:
Other companies are watching...oh no, please, anything but that!

You can end this all very quickly.

1. Post the arginine studies you claimed to have. Shut me up and show me how smart you are!
2. Post your evidence that you have been formulating and manufacturing dietary supplements since I was in diapers.
3. Explain how someones bodybuilding experience in any way dictates their knowledge on dietary supplements



You talk nonsense, and I treat you as such...nonsense. When you can articulate a single sentence without lying, embellishing, or shilling, I'll be here to have an actual discussion with you.
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I'm not a huge fan of arguing BUT I do think Vaughn has a point here, Wesley. If V's easily discredited by, say, posting an article, then there really is no need to defend yourself. Just post the article and end the silliness. Or don't and admit a mistake. It's really quite simple.
 
VaughnTrue said:
and LOL at me having no competitions under my belt.

1. Should someones history of competitions impact their understanding of the science of supplements?
2. I did compete, at the 2007 NPC Mr. Connecticut and won the light heavyweight class. I have not competed since nor do I plan to.



so now am I part of the cool club Wesley? Or do you need to explain your years of expertise and how you were formulating/manufacturing supplements when I "was in diapers" despite us being the same age?


Also, when are you going to post the studies you claim to have on arginine? I've been waiting weeks at this point.
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Back in 2007/2008 you also won the biggest pain in my ass competition. :D
 
I can't really give a full review, I dosed 2.5 pills on a empty stomach first thing in the morning. Once it kicked in about 15 min later I could feel it's effects getting increasingly stronger. Day before I lifted legs and can barely walk, this stuff had me in the mood to go run.

I've been using in cycles innovative labs black mamba and Diablo and still some if the old gaspari detonate. This stuff is up there with those three in my opinion.
The rush of what I'd consider the first wave of motivational energy and mood boost last for a solid two hours. The energy for me I felt from 6:17 Am till about 1:00PM and it was winding down from 1-2Pm. The appetite suppression lasted about that entire time as well.

So the couple ingredients in this stuff that are newer must have PEA alkaloids extracted, at leaet that's exactly the kind of feeling it has. If it stays consistent through out the entire bottle like innovative labs products in this category do I'll replace gaspari detonate OG formula with this. Detonate gave me some anxiety Akd slight depressive effects, not this stuff. Just strong clean mood boosting stimulation.

We will see what happens, this reminded me some what of slim xtreme for anyone familiar only the effects are 8 hours instead of 12. So far a thumbs up from me
 
I don't actually care about superstim, but I'm really glad someone bumped this thread so I could see Wes and Vaughn argue.

Good lord Wes, that M1 product looks like dog****.
 
De__eB said:
I don't actually care about superstim, but I'm really glad someone bumped this thread so I could see Wes and Vaughn argue.

Good lord Wes, that M1 product looks like dog****.
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It looks more legit then a Company whose owner snitched on the entire Industry for 5 years. That much I agree to ;)

And Vaughan and I haven't argued in months..we both maturely moved on.
 
WesleyInman said:
It looks more legit then a Company whose owner snitched on the entire Industry for 5 years. That much I agree to ;)

And Vaughan and I haven't argued in months..we both maturely moved on.
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Probably good for you to make up with Vaughn, because he was slaying you in this thread.

You do realize ya boi Matt Cahill has been an informant for like 8 years now right?

You don't get snitched on if you aren't also breaking the law. It's kind of the risk of breaking the law.

Also, you realize that TLM M1 product doesn't contain an effective dose of any ergogen other than caffeine right?
 
De__eB said:
Probably good for you to make up with Vaughn, because he was slaying you in this thread.

You do realize ya boi Matt Cahill has been an informant for like 8 years now right?

You don't get snitched on if you aren't also breaking the law. It's kind of the risk of breaking the law.

Also, you realize that TLM M1 product doesn't contain an effective dose of any ergogen other than caffeine right?
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Stop coming into a thread and trying to provoke more arguments. Let the topic of Superstim be discussed honestly and without bias. You literally have no place calling anyone out, or any company when you are repping for an "informant" yourself.
 
WesleyInman said:
Stop coming into a thread and trying to provoke more arguments. Let the topic of Superstim be discussed honestly and without bias. You literally have no place calling anyone out, or any company when you are repping for an "informant" yourself.
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I'm not sure what Steve's past legal troubles have anything to do with what I can or can not say.

I'm not even sure why you bring up other people's legal troubles at all when you yourself are a convicted felon. Maybe I should follow you around the forum reminding you of that like you seem intent to do in every post in which you respond to an SNS rep.

I'll keep on not breaking the law, not supporting companies that spike their products, and not supporting arginine-based preworkouts in 2016.
 
Just to add to something about superstim. Tried something a little different today. Dosed two pills in the AM, and one in the afternoon. Morning dose gave me same energy and focus that lasted for several hours. I dosed one pill after lunch six hours after morning dose. Could still feel the morning dose but it was beginning a gentle taper down.
So what was pretty interesting, to me any way.. Taking one pill with some food just delayed is fuse and made its come up slower, but 40 minutes to an hour later I was so damn talkative and in such a good mood, it was like taking an enhanced version of picamilon with a strong stim cocktail/ the perfect up and down ratio that gave energy and tunnel vision focus with an outstanding outlook on everything. I noticed both days I've taken it my vision will have this moment about an hour after a dose where it gets very clear and sharp, things in the distance of my vision suddenly stands out more.

Some of this could be subjective but I'm really paying attention to any thing this stuff may be doing or ratger effects it's having on me over all. Stuff is killer on appetite. Just thought I'd add something about the product. May add another update once I'm half way through it
 
BigGame84 said:
Maybe I'll give this a try. Last product I bought from them was Frenzy and I was unimpressed
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Based on my first two days with it i couldn't not recommend it. Feels better to me then og craze and og detonate aka craze formulated into a pill containing both containing N,alpha-Diethylphenylethylamine. It's absolutely a contender to 1,3DMAA containing products. I need to research more into the Phyllanthus extract and Japanese Sophora, what ever the are standardizing these for, there is some good interaction with these two And the MAOI effects of the yohimbe if I had to guess.
 
Haha woah how'd I miss this one
 
An update, finding the dose that's right is key to this product. I tried 1 to 1.5 up to 3 caps at once. If the dose was too high the stimulation over took the mood and euphoria feeling with energy but also irritability. For me 2.5 caps kept me in a good mood gave me solid energy and appetite suppression for a solid 8 hours. Is going to be a regular additional what I cycle In and out for energy and focus or if needing to get the diet in check.
 
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