Dr. D PCT question

DR.D said:
Yeah, I still am advocating the inverse ramp. It just makes sense to me that as PCT moves into the last half, test levels start getting higher again. That means estrogen levels are getting higher too but your SERM dose keeps getting lower! See what I mean? It's just to avoid upregulating estro at the end and getting any SERM rebound effect. I'm back on a good batch of RXT again so hopefully I can salvage this PCT and still get some good data on Ral+Clomid+Nolva, MP, RXT, and ACT (all the new stuff and new combo's I'm using!!)
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in the start of the rebound 3 weeks into tamox, what time of day do you recommend rebound? i believe you said night for the tamox.
 
raylewis said:
in the start of the rebound 3 weeks into tamox, what time of day do you recommend rebound? i believe you said night for the tamox.
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Yes, take it at night before bed with the tamox. If using more than 1 cap, split up the other doses working backward. So if you take 2 caps, one at night and 1 at noon. If taking 3 caps: night, noon and morning. If your also taking fenugreek, avoid dosing the Rebound at the same time. In this case, take fen and tamox at night and Rebound in the morning. If taking two doses, 1 in the morning and 1 at noon, or spaced out equally if you can. Does that make sense? I don't know if the fen would interfere with the absorbtion of the Rebound, that's why I suggest the 2 different approaches because I suspect it could. Even so, it may not even really matter too much when you take the Rebound. I just always calculate the most effective scenario, because if you do anything, you should do it as best you can. Then you can feel good knowing your getting the most efficient use of you supps and all that hard training.
 
Please excuse my beginners q's. Planning on my first ever cycle, yes another Superdrol user but I promise I won't post a log.:lol:

If I'm taking sesathin and k-r-ala in the form of glucophase XR , can Milk Thistle be omitted from the stack ?

Also, I have some Tamoxifen citrate tablets, 20 mg. I was planning on taking 40 mg for PCT week 1, then 20 mg along with rebound XT 50mg for week 2 then rebound alone for 25mg week 3.

From peoples experience with SD would this be overkill? I'd rather drop the tamoxifen and just use rebound Xt and lean extreme.



Thanks
 
Probably overkill, but for a 3wk PCT, that's OK. It's better to be sure as long as toxicity is minimized.
 
Thanks DrD, what do you think about the Milk Thistle vs sesathin/k-r-ala for liver support ?
 
Both of those combos provide protection against oxidative stress, so they would act additively if used together. I take MT, GXR(k-r-ala), lecithin, and NAC for liver help. I'm not sure about the Ses, still haven't tried it myself.
 
Hey DR.D (or anyone else)

After running a 4-week M1T(10mg)/4AD(transdermal 400mg) cycle, what would you advice as PCT?

I had planned to use RXT/LX, but my bottles of RXT wont be back by the time I need them, so I'll use nolva instead. I also got LX and fenugreek available.

This is what I had in mind (3 weeks PCT):

Tamox: 60-30-30mg (20mg/mL solution of tamox citr.)
LX: 150-150-150mg (50mg caps)
Fenugreek: 2500-3000-3500mg (500mg caps)
 
bda55 said:
Hey DR.D (or anyone else)

After running a 4-week M1T(10mg)/4AD(transdermal 400mg) cycle, what would you advice as PCT?

I had planned to use RXT/LX, but my bottles of RXT wont be back by the time I need them, so I'll use nolva instead. I also got LX and fenugreek available.

This is what I had in mind (3 weeks PCT):

Tamox: 60-30-30mg (20mg/mL solution of tamox citr.)
LX: 150-150-150mg (50mg caps)
Fenugreek: 2500-3000-3500mg (500mg caps)
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That looks good to me. You really don't need that much LX at the end though. I'd do 150,100,50 with the LX. But it sure doesn't hurt to do the higher doses. I've been told it's a good appetite suppresant too at those higher doses.
 
You have to donate 10 bucks to the Bobo board support fund! You can email me at my DS address in the meantime, but it is not very stable these days (I think the server is messed up or something) so I strongly suggest the donation.
 
joez7219 said:
where can i purchase nolva?
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Of course, you mean legally, right? Only from a pharmacy with a doctor's prescription. You can buy it legit with an e-consultation too, but they'll charge you through the nose for it online I'm sure! If you want brand name tamoxifen (AKA: Nolva), just get a doc. Good luck talking him into it though, it's mostly viewed as a dirty cancer drug. Of course, if you do talk your doc into it, it's quite cheap at the pharmacy, even if you don't use insurance.

BTW, I know you are an honest person looking for a real, FDA approved drug, which if done properly with a docs prescription is fine to ask about in my book, but many of the mods here see that as very close to asking for a "roid source" which is a serious no-no. Hope I was of help.
 
Joe - you *might* be able to find tamoxifen citrate if you look around within our board sponsors.
 
Dr.D... I am a newbie, and I have been reading alot of things in here about PCTs and have got alot of different takes on it..
I am doing a 3 week cycle of Sd at 10/20/20
Could you give me some advise on what exactly I should be doing for my PCT..
Info about me.. 5"10" tall.. 162 lbs 38 yrs old.. Just starting SD cycle.
I am taking mega man vitamins/ Whey protein once or twice a day and 1000 mil grs of milk thistle a day during my cycle..

What do you recommened for my PCT... what percent.. and what product ?
Was thinking about Nolvadex ... anything else .. And what percent ?

Thanks again.. Like I said, I have been searching, and reading alot, but am confused..


Thanks again..
 
Dr D.. I have been reading post, and gathering info from others, and I was told to do the Nolvadex..
I have seen articles about people using Nolvadex and others using Novedex XT...
Can you give me some input as to what you think I should use.. I was thinking the Novedex Xt at first, then was told to do the Nolvadex..
I just want to make sure that I am doing the right thing when I come off of this..
I have two beautiful little girls and a beautiful wife who need to make sure that there daddy is still healthy when I am done with this cycle..

I am wanting to make sure I dont get the bitch tits, and that my test level comes back up, and I would like to retain most of what I gain.. Because I am a small guy to begin with..
I am thinking of taking the retain to help me maintain my gains to..

Thank you for any advise you can offer me..
 
Stinger124 said:
... I have two beautiful little girls and a beautiful wife who need to make sure that there daddy is still healthy when I am done with this cycle ...
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I understand. I have a wonderful family too and play by the rules these days to keep it all in good shape.

I like Clomid better than Nolva personally. 100mg for the first 2 wks of PCT and 50mg for the last two wks of PCT. That keeps it simple for you. If you choose Nolva instead 40,40,20,20 is what most guys do I believe. Of course, this is not medical advise, it is just my experience and you should follow the instructions your doctor gives you before you listen to me. I have a good doc that usually lets me choose what I want.
 
Thank you sir.. I appreicate that.. Should the Retain help me keep the gains that I get ? And this is also run with the PCT right ?
 
Damn it Stinger. I told you already that you need an anti-cortisol supplement and that Retain is just that.

Dr. D would probably recommend Lean Xtreme for anti-cortisol as he works for Designer Supps.

I'll try to spell it out. Please read carefully.
1) Get either clomiphene (Clomid as D mentions) or tamoxifene (Nolvadex). D prefers clomiphene because it isn't as harsh on the liver.
2) Get an anti-cortisol supp. Lean Xtreme or Retain are most popular.
3) If you wish, get Rebound XT or Novedex XT or Ultra Hotter
4) Get some NAC to add to your milk thistle. And if you want more liver protection, get some K-R-ALA (and biotin too - sold by Wal-mart).
5) You'll need something for cholesterol support. Red Yeast Rice (1.2 g/day) with Co-Q10 (I forget the dose). Policosanol is good, along with fish oil and niacin (all these supps are sold at Wal-Mart).
6) if you have blood pressure issure (SD can cause that in some folks) get hawthorn berry and celery seed extract. Hawthorn is sold at Wal-mart while celery seed is sold on Nutraplanet (board sponsor).

Again, not medical advice but that seems to be the general recommendation from folks around here.
I'll try not to give you too many choices as you can't seem to choose for your self.

Good luck.
 
JMH80... I know what you told me.... I took that info, and I appreicate it.. As for making choices, I chose to ask Dr D his opinion to.. I do not like to go off of just a couple of opinions .. I like to get several.. I have been looking around, and I have gotten several opinions from people that I think have valuable info for me.. """ You """ being one of them.. However.. I ((( chose ))) to also ask the good Dr.D for his opinion to. So please try to understand what I am doing.. And I hope you can respect that..
I am not trying to bug people, Just trying to get good imput form good people... Once again.. I appreicate you breaking it down for me again...


Thanks again
 
Sting, I just read jmh80's post. It's all good advise he gave you and I am in agreement with him. Doing a little 3wk cycle of SD like you want to do, it's really hard to screw it up. Still, I appreciate the fact that you are researching it so well. Believe me, if you listen to what we told you in this thread alone, you'll be more than good for this cycle and PCT. Just keep it simple.
 
I can't get my hands on Nolva, so I have no choice but to use RXT. I'm I taking a major chance doing this?
 
no script and I don't want to come out and ask on this site.
 
I found it.. thanks. Not sure if I can ask, but did you every take the liquid form?
 
BigBoy12 said:
I found it.. thanks. Not sure if I can ask, but did you every take the liquid form?
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I guess there's no way to get the pill. Damn it!
 
ok, 10th day on SD (3rd day at 20mgs) I'm not to impressed. Is there a magical day to go with this "magic" pill?
 
BigBoy12 said:
ok, 10th day on SD (3rd day at 20mgs) I'm not to impressed. Is there a magical day to go with this "magic" pill?
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Try 30. It's not magic, just math.
 
BigBoy12 said:
ok, 10th day on SD (3rd day at 20mgs) I'm not to impressed. Is there a magical day to go with this "magic" pill?
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Good luck with that. The higher you go the more sides. I didn't start to get back pumps on E-max until I went up to 30mgs..totally sucked.
 
LCSULLA said:
Good luck with that. The higher you go the more sides. I didn't start to get back pumps on E-max until I went up to 30mgs..totally sucked.
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I'll keep it at 20 for a few more days. Thanks for the advice.
 
Is it ok to take something like Alieve for the headaches... I'm ready to go blind from the pain.
 
BigBoy12 said:
Is it ok to take something like Alieve for the headaches... I'm ready to go blind from the pain.
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Did you get your blood pressure checked? Do you have ancillaries to cover the side effects? Did you research enough?
 
yes, yes, yes
 
It kicked in..jumped up 20lbs. last night in bench and my shoulder and calves feel like they are ready to peel off the bone.
 
BigBoy12 said:
It kicked in..jumped up 20lbs. last night in bench and my shoulder and calves feel like they are ready to peel off the bone.
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Some people need high carbs to get the most of it, but I noticed my protein intake was probably the main factor that limited gains. High protein insured steady gains for me.
 
DR.D said:
Some people need high carbs to get the most of it, but I noticed my protein intake was probably the main factor that limited gains. High protein insured steady gains for me.
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I've increased the oatmeal (3 a day) and paste. Protein is between 150-200. I weight 195... so I guess I need to get a little more protein.

Thanks Doc.
 
BigBoy12 said:
I've increased the oatmeal (3 a day) and paste. Protein is between 150-200. I weight 195... so I guess I need to get a little more protein.

Thanks Doc.
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That's a minimum. More protein would be better, but that's OK. I would make gains with 1g/lb using SD, especially if other cals were adequate. I'm glad it finally kicked in for you! :)
 
me too.. going to workout now.. I'll let you know how back and arms ..come along.
 
DR.D said:
That's a minimum. More protein would be better, but that's OK. I would make gains with 1g/lb using SD, especially if other cals were adequate. I'm glad it finally kicked in for you! :)
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Dr. D, can you take Nolva Cit (liquid) orally (sp/word)?
 
I'm going to run sd for 3weeks 10/20/20 and my pct is gonna be nolva and testopro. The question is, how long should I run nolva 3 or 4 weeks? and what doses? 20/20/20, 40/20/20/, 20/20/20/20, or 40/20/20/20? any advice or suggestion would be great.
 
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