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Aleksandar37 said:
No, nothing as complicated as that. I thought pass through corporations were benefiting from the new tax plan.
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They do. Unless you're successful ($4M+ revenue a year) and/or a professional pass through corporation. Then you get nothing and lose it all.
 
youngandfree said:
Nope. That hasn't been discussed yet because Trump is the only one that can embarrasses himself according to some here.
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Shameful in my opinion. And that’s coming from a former Dem.

They have the opportunity to earn votes via Prime Time tv and they basically screwed the pooch. Not that I care, but the professional election losers are making their losing case for later this year.
 
Dma378 said:
Am I too late to talk about how Democrats embarrassed themselves last night?

Didn’t scroll back very far
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I only heard it on radio so I missed it, but I remember how dumb and babyish many of looked when Dump gave a speech to congress a year ago, especially Pelosi who is completely insane.
 
Dma378 said:
Shameful in my opinion. And that’s coming from a former Dem.

They have the opportunity to earn votes via Prime Time tv and they basically screwed the pooch. Not that I care, but the professional election losers are making their losing case for later this year.
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Idk, man. They may not be doing themselves any favors, but Trump's approval rating is low enough that I am expecting them to make some serious gains in the legislature.
 
jimbuick said:
Idk, man. They may not be doing themselves any favors, but Trump's approval rating is low enough that I am expecting them to make some serious gains in the legislature.
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Nothing will keep “on the fence” Conservatives and such away from voting for democrats like sitting for the anthem, not applauding the military, not applauding economic growth, etc.

I’m hoping for the eventual fall of the whole system, so I guess it’s a good thing toward that cause. Just from an outside perspective, they looked sour and stupid.

You don’t have to like the messenger, but on the message of unity you should stand up and applaud. You may not believe the person delivering the topic, but it is a commendable
topic nonetheless.
 
youngandfree said:
You expected Hillary to win also I bet because all those polls said she would.
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Indeed, I did, but I was also pretty open about the fact that Trump's ability to slide out of scandal without lowering his polling numbers significantly made it far from a sure thing. In fact, I regularly stated that I would not be surprised to see him win just based off of American's general dissatisfaction with the govt.

I also see that you seem to put a lot of faith in polls yourself; at least, when they confirm your biases. I would like to point out that those numbers are approval of his SOTU speech and not of his overall performance as President.
 
I've seen uncalled for disrespect from both parties in the past, but during Trumps speech the Dems took it to a whole other level. Almost seemed like they forgot this was being shown on tv. My grandparents have been life time Dems and were pretty much in shock on how they were acting. They have this simple plan of being against every single thing Trump says, well when Trump gets up there as speaks everything pro American, pro economy, pro military, pro black work force etc and you set there looking like a pissed off sourpuss the whole time haha. Dems might want to look into getting some new leadership that can put out better advice. I see both parties breaking up soon, the whole your all for this or all against this simply doesn't work anymore. Glad to see ax1 jumping in there, he's like that crazy uncle Danny everyone has that always tells everyone about getting abducted by aliens at family get togethers haha.
 
Todd Garner said:
I see both parties breaking up soon, the whole your all for this or all against this simply doesn't work anymore.
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Wouldn't surprise me. The inability to compromise is absurd.

I didn't get to watch the whole SOTU address (I work nights), but did catch some of it today. It honestly would be hard to be against much of anything that was said, as far as I saw. As with all things though, the details are what is important. Lots of sound bytes that seem great, but it is the interpretation that ****s everything up.
 
jimbuick said:
Wouldn't surprise me. The inability to compromise is absurd.

I didn't get to watch the whole SOTU address (I work nights), but did catch some of it today. It honestly would be hard to be against much of anything that was said, as far as I saw. As with all things though, the details are what is important. Lots of sound bytes that seem great, but it is the interpretation that ****s everything up.
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Liberals are nearly impossible to compromise with. The faces and reactions show that they seem like entitled spoiled brats that get their way or nothing. It was sad seeing grown was men and women act like whiny little brats.

And I'm not strongly Republican or Democrat just anti whiny little brats.
 
jimbuick said:
Indeed, I did, but I was also pretty open about the fact that Trump's ability to slide out of scandal without lowering his polling numbers significantly made it far from a sure thing. In fact, I regularly stated that I would not be surprised to see him win just based off of American's general dissatisfaction with the govt.

I also see that you seem to put a lot of faith in polls yourself; at least, when they confirm your biases. I would like to point out that those numbers are approval of his SOTU speech and not of his overall performance as President.
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The only time I enjoy reading the polls is when the Trump hating media puts one out that shows more support for him than they thought. Similar to when they pulled in 3 families to investigate how bad the new tax plan would hurt them. All 3 families said on air they would save money with it, and the reporters were somewhat shocked. Just a couple weeks ago on 48 hours or one of the other news programs, they sat down with Trump voters to see if they still support him. The reporter kept baiting them with questions about how bad he's done and they all basically didn't agree with her mainstream assessment.
 
youngandfree said:
The only time I enjoy reading the polls is when the Trump hating media puts one out that shows more support for him than they thought. Similar to when they pulled in 3 families to investigate how bad the new tax plan would hurt them. All 3 families said on air they would save money with it, and the reporters were somewhat shocked. Just a couple weeks ago on 48 hours or one of the other news programs, they sat down with Trump voters to see if they still support him. The reporter kept baiting them with questions about how bad he's done and they all basically didn't agree with her mainstream assessment.
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And I will be the first to admit completely flip flopping on it/him/politics in recent months.

Not only can I no longer support or agree with the Left’s crazy progressive bs that you have to subscribe to, but I actually like what this administration is doing for the economy.

Also reject the forcing of the media’s agenda down our throats as I move my attention to more independent sources and outlets I can really see how the mainstream is so one sided. That lopsided **** has the opposite effect it wants, it gets rejected. And has even turned me against it.

Trump says dumb ****. That’s about all I have against him anymore lol

But I still hope the structure collapses. Getting more in line with the old idea of states rights. The fed doesn’t work. It’s list of responsibilities should be:
1. Make sure states follow the constitution
2. Regulate medical cost
3. Maintain foreign policy/trade
4. Maintain military (see #3)

The end
 
Dma378 said:
And I will be the first to admit completely flip flopping on it/him/politics in recent months.

Not only can I no longer support or agree with the Left’s crazy progressive bs that you have to subscribe to, but I actually like what this administration is doing for the economy.

Also reject the forcing of the media’s agenda down our throats as I move my attention to more independent sources and outlets I can really see how the mainstream is so one sided. That lopsided **** has the opposite effect it wants, it gets rejected. And has even turned me against it.

Trump says dumb ****. That’s about all I have against him anymore lol

But I still hope the structure collapses. Getting more in line with the old idea of states rights. The fed doesn’t work. It’s list of responsibilities should be:
1. Make sure states follow the constitution
2. Regulate medical cost
3. Maintain foreign policy/trade
4. Maintain military (see #3)

The end
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The left, the media, and the establishment republicans STILL can't figure this part out, which is amazing to me.
 
Dma378 said:
And I will be the first to admit completely flip flopping on it/him/politics in recent months.

Not only can I no longer support or agree with the Left’s crazy progressive bs that you have to subscribe to, but I actually like what this administration is doing for the economy.

Also reject the forcing of the media’s agenda down our throats as I move my attention to more independent sources and outlets I can really see how the mainstream is so one sided. That lopsided **** has the opposite effect it wants, it gets rejected. And has even turned me against it.

Trump says dumb ****. That’s about all I have against him anymore lol

But I still hope the structure collapses. Getting more in line with the old idea of states rights. The fed doesn’t work. It’s list of responsibilities should be:
1. Make sure states follow the constitution
2. Regulate medical cost
3. Maintain foreign policy/trade
4. Maintain military (see #3)

The end
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I like much of this post. I was more left growing up but wisdom and experience has swayed me more heavily to the right. I don't like what trumps says a good part of the time but like you said I am very pleased with everything that is going on. The scary part is the left is so anti right I could see them purposely hurting our country just to be able to say nana told ya so. Like a destructive child who will never admit they are wrong.
 
LiveToLift said:
I like much of this post. I was more left growing up but wisdom and experience has swayed me more heavily to the right. I don't like what trumps says a good part of the time but like you said I am very pleased with everything that is going on. The scary part is the left is so anti right I could see them purposely hurting our country just to be able to say nana told ya so. Like a destructive child who will never admit they are wrong.
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A bit of my sway probably has to do with age as well, amongst other things in my life.

And even things that I really support on the Left (science, environment, etc) have turned me against the Left’s agenda with them. Just a forcing of it down our throat. And the politicizing of it all.

But I am in no way claiming to be Right Wing. I’m No Wing lol. Logic Wing. Do-the Right-Thing Wing

Whatever the hell that means
 
Can’t wait for people to start looking to themselves and each other to make a difference and not politicians.

Everyone keeps thinking the next election cycle is going to fix things their way. Oh nope, next one. Next one after that. All this faith in politicians lmao. Just give them the money and the power and they’ll fix it right up. Uuuugh
 
Dma378 said:
A bit of my sway probably has to do with age as well, amongst other things in my life.

And even things that I really support on the Left (science, environment, etc) have turned me against the Left’s agenda with them. Just a forcing of it down our throat. And the politicizing of it all.

But I am in no way claiming to be Right Wing. I’m No Wing lol. Logic Wing. Do-the Right-Thing Wing

Whatever the hell that means
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I've never understood why some topics have been linked together within parties. For example, why are you expected to be pro-choice if you also believe in climate change or pro-life if you don't? Trust me that nobody hates the politicization of science more than scientists. And by that I mean actual scientists and not people who think they're scientists because they follow Bill Nye or Neil deGrasse Tyson (both of whom have hurt science more than helped).
 
I bet the release of 'the memo' will create more questions than it answers...I can't help but thinking the democrats aren't defending fbi/justice as much as members of the Obama administration. it's hard to believe any of the stuff republicans are claiming happened without the knowledge of obama's people-or even Obama himself as far as knowing about hillary's 'unauthorized' e-mail server--which he has already been caught lying about.
 
illegal aliens, doing the jobs american's won't do...like voting democrat.
 
youngandfree said:
I qualified why I posted it, being that CBS and other mainstream outlets that go out of their way to bash Trump actually posted a poll that shows support for him.
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So all polls are bull**** unless they fit your narrative? That's cherry-picking. News media polls tend to all be crap as they're more a poll of people that were willing to take the survey rather than a true poll of whatever question they are asking.
 
thebigt said:
illegal aliens, doing the jobs american's won't do...like voting democrat.
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No American is going to pick strawberries in the heat for 15 hours a day for $7.25 or less. Hell, Americans want $15 for working in an air conditioned fast food restaurant lol. Illegal immigrants are a huge part of the economy. Ask Alabama.

I have seen no data that says illegal immigrants commit violent crimes at a higher rate than citizens. A person isn't a rapist or murder because they're an illegal immigrant. They're just a piece of **** human being.
 
Woody said:
No American is going to pick strawberries in the heat for 15 hours a day for $7.25 or less. Hell, Americans want $15 for working in an air conditioned fast food restaurant lol. Illegal immigrants are a huge part of the economy. Ask Alabama.
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We will get $25 per pint of strawberries covering minimum wage $15 strawberry pickers, plus insurance, SS, Medicare, 401k, crypto stocks, etc.....
 
Woody said:
No American is going to pick strawberries in the heat for 15 hours a day for $7.25 or less. Hell, Americans want $15 for working in an air conditioned fast food restaurant lol. Illegal immigrants are a huge part of the economy. Ask Alabama.

I have seen no data that says illegal immigrants commit violent crimes at a higher rate than citizens. A person isn't a rapist or murder because they're an illegal immigrant. They're just a piece of **** human being.
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Republicans create boogeyman stories about illegals raping or pedophiles in Target bathrooms while they continually protect actual pedophiles and rapists (e.g. Catholic priests, Trump, etc.). It's interesting the excuses people come up with to try and hide their racism.
 
youngandfree said:
The text of the memo is there. I'm just #releasingthememo
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I've read it. I was sincerely curious about your opinion since you've been jerking off to the idea of its release all week. Maybe if you'd stop just falling for whatever the media is telling you to be upset about (morons screaming about emails and now memos) then you wouldn't look like such a fool. To me this memo is nothing. Nunes was handed information from Trump's team and then liead about it and the biggest thing after all the hoopla is that part (PART!!! not all) of why they were able to get wire taps was because of faulty intel and relying too much on the media rather than ectual evidence. That's it?!?! We've been told that the dossier was the sole source, but it's not. This entire thing started because of Papadopoulos and the memo confirms that.

And all of this is based on FISA which the Republicans just voted to renew Section 702 of for six more years! Up until the morning of that vote, Trump couldn't decide if FISA was good or bad. That morning he complained about it over twitter, then changed his mind and the Republicans voted for it, and now it's bad again?

But hey, it's all good because we're talking about uselss memos rather than Sergey F@#$ING Naryshkin!!! waltzing into the US which he is barred from to speak with the CIA and the only reason we found out about it is because Russia tweeted it!
 
youngandfree said:
He already knows my thoughts since he is sure to let everyone know how much smarter he is than everyone else.
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You don't think. You do as you're told. You have no idea why you are upset over this subject. Feel free to prove me wrong or keep on with the passive aggressive bull****.
 
I still can't believe you guys voted for Trump as your President. Honestly, I feel like present reality is a catastrophic result of some quantum physics experiment. Trump is such a clown - we all laughed at him for years when he hosted a B-grade reality TV show ffs! And now he is the leader of the USA!
 
BennyMagoo79 said:
I still can't believe you guys voted for Trump as your President. Honestly, I feel like present reality is a catastrophic result of some quantum physics experiment. Trump is such a clown - we all laughed at him for years when he hosted a B-grade reality TV show ffs! And now he is the leader of the USA!
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To be fair, it was a pretty ****ty choice between two people who were going to screw us all over. The thing I don't get is people that voted for Trump as more of a vote against Hillary, but now try and justify every idiotic thing he does even when it directly hurts their own interests.
 
BennyMagoo79 said:
I still can't believe you guys voted for Trump as your President. Honestly, I feel like present reality is a catastrophic result of some quantum physics experiment. Trump is such a clown - we all laughed at him for years when he hosted a B-grade reality TV show ffs! And now he is the leader of the USA!
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So you don't think it's a good idea that our gdp growth for the first quarter is going to be 5+, when it never saw more than 3 for the last 8 years?
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Aleksandar37 said:
I've read it. I was sincerely curious about your opinion since you've been jerking off to the idea of its release all week. Maybe if you'd stop just falling for whatever the media is telling you to be upset about (morons screaming about emails and now memos) then you wouldn't look like such a fool. To me this memo is nothing. Nunes was handed information from Trump's team and then liead about it and the biggest thing after all the hoopla is that part (PART!!! not all) of why they were able to get wire taps was because of faulty intel and relying too much on the media rather than ectual evidence. That's it?!?! We've been told that the dossier was the sole source, but it's not. This entire thing started because of Papadopoulos and the memo confirms that.

And all of this is based on FISA which the Republicans just voted to renew Section 702 of for six more years! Up until the morning of that vote, Trump couldn't decide if FISA was good or bad. That morning he complained about it over twitter, then changed his mind and the Republicans voted for it, and now it's bad again?

But hey, it's all good because we're talking about uselss memos rather than Sergey F@#$ING Naryshkin!!! waltzing into the US which he is barred from to speak with the CIA and the only reason we found out about it is because Russia tweeted it!
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It started with Papadopolous, but the memo clearly states there's no connection between him and Carter Page. It does state that at no time was the FISA court aware of the source and funding of the dossier. McCabe testified to the committee that a FISA warrant would NOT have been issued without the phony dossier. If you can't get upset at that corruption, and the web of higher ups from Comey, Lynch, Stzrok, Oher, McCabe, and Rosenstein, I'm not sure what will. The only Russian collusion that's been proven is Christopher Steele being payed by Fusion GPS to pay Russians for info to build the phony dossier.

Bring on Schiff's memo, I'm sure it has all the talking points you just layed out.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
To be fair, it was a pretty ****ty choice between two people who were going to screw us all over. The thing I don't get is people that voted for Trump as more of a vote against Hillary, but now try and justify every idiotic thing he does even when it directly hurts their own interests.
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People could have voted for Gary Johnson, it wasnt a choice between two people, people were just tricked thinking they really only had two options which really was just a single option anyways.
 
If I was Dump I would simply make the case of abolishing the F.B.I as a whole since he took an oath to protect the Constitution, the Constitution doesn't authorize a federal police. End of the day he wont do that, Dump is just like the rest of the big government war mongering tyrannical blood thirsty Republicrats and Demicans at DC.
 
youngandfree said:
It started with Papadopolous, but the memo clearly states there's no connection between him and Carter Page. It does state that at no time was the FISA court aware of the source and funding of the dossier. McCabe testified to the committee that a FISA warrant would NOT have been issued without the phony dossier. If you can't get upset at that corruption, and the web of higher ups from Comey, Lynch, Stzrok, Oher, McCabe, and Rosenstein, I'm not sure what will. The only Russian collusion that's been proven is Christopher Steele being payed by Fusion GPS to pay Russians for info to build the phony dossier.

Bring on Schiff's memo, I'm sure it has all the talking points you just layed out.
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The memo claims McCabe testified that, but it's already been challenged. Let's get one thing straight. These are all he said, she said hearsay bull**** and you're only accepting arguments that bash Democrats and ignoring the same exact crap that Republicans are pulling. Get the **** off your pedestal about "If you can't get upset at that corruption"! I am the only one saying (repeatedly) that both parties are pulling corrupt **** and need to be punished.
 
ax1 said:
People could have voted for Gary Johnson, it wasnt a choice between two people, people were just tricked thinking they really only had two options which really was just a single option anyways.
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I'm man enough to admit when I'm wrong. It was a pretty ****ty choice between three people ;)
 
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