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Misfit28 said:
Btw, I'm not saying Obama didn't make it worse. I'm saying we didn't START the Syrian Civil War. Big difference.
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Regardless of this difference in our opinion, the any little civil war could have been easily crushed and/or contained if we and NATO just stayed out of it and let the government police their own country. None of this would have happened, and people today would be going their to travel and enjoy the culture, history, food etc.... it would be a peaceful low crime nation. The majority of Syrians just want peace, prosperity and have their family life at home live comfortably.
 
Misfit28 said:
How exactly do you know the CIA was there? Can you prove this?

I'm pretty sure if you had "evidence", that the CIA wouldn't allow you to have it. Do you think that you are one of the privileged few to have classified info or something?

It's sad when conspiracy "theories"are given more credence than scientific theories.
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I know they were there and what they were plotting, thats enough for me. You have to find this out on your own my friend.
 
ax1 said:
Regardless of this difference in our opinion, the civil war could have been easily crushed if we and NATO just stayed out of it and let the government police their own country. None of this would have happened and these protestors would have been crushed. The majority of Syrians just want peace, prosperity and have their family life at home live comfortably.
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Well, that didn't happen.

We have to deal with now, not deal in speculations about what may or may not have happened in the past.

How does this get resolved now?
 
Misfit28 said:
I think you need to read about the Syrian Civil War a bit more. The Assad regime started in 1971 when the current Assad's father declared himself President. The Assads have had jihads declared against them since the 1980's. He nor his father were popular. The Civil War truly began when the current Assad put down protests with armed retaliation.

Tell me again how Obama started this?
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Going back to your first post, the US and UK have been meddling in the middle east for decades. I dont have time to check but Id be shocked if the CIA and MI6 werent involved with both putting Assad regime in power, involved with having jihad declared on the Assad regime in the 80s and much much more.

This is the job of the CIA and MI6, its what they do and will continue to do for decades to come.
 
Misfit28 said:
Well, that didn't happen.

We have to deal with now, not deal in speculations about what may or may not have happened in the past.

How does this get resolved now?
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We dont have to deal with it now, we stepped in and meddled and we can step right out. Its not complicated.

How is it resolved? With non-interventionism. They will have to figure that out on their own. The best outcome is if you leave them alone (and got NATO to get out of it too which is impossible) Russia would help Assad stabilize the country and then they have to just rebuild their country again. Then they can rebuild their military and help other middle eastern countries take care of terrorism.
 
ax1 said:
We dont have to deal with it now, we stepped in and meddled and we can step right out. Its not complicated.

How is it resolved? With non-interventionism. They will have to figure that out on their own. The best outcome is if you leave them alone (and got NATO to get out of it too which is impossible) Russia would help Assad stabilize the country and then they have to just rebuild their country again.
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We all know Trump won't let that happen though.

It's apparent that if Assad is put back in power that the people don't want that IMO.
 
Misfit28 said:
We all know Trump won't let that happen though.

It's apparent that if Assad is put back in power that the people don't want that IMO.
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Dumps main national security guy is a General Beytraus mole and he also had surrounded himself with neoccons and even Hitlery people. Nothing will change and there is no difference in the foreign policies of Dump, Obama and Hitlery.

I don't care what people want, I only care about what's right.

Put back in power? He never lost power :)
 
ax1 said:
Dumps main national security guy is a General Beytraus mole and he also had surrounded himself with neoccons and even Hitlery people. Nothing will change and there is no difference in the foreign policies of Dump, Obama and Hitlery.

I don't care what people want, I only care about what's right.
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How is it right that a murderous piece of sh1t remains in power?
 
ax1 said:
Dumps main national security guy is a General Beytraus mole and he also had surrounded himself with neoccons and even Hitlery people. Nothing will change and there is no difference in the foreign policies of Dump, Obama and Hitlery.

I don't care what people want, I only care about what's right.

Put back in power? He never lost power :)
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True, he hasn't lost power yet. Now he's the leader of a war torn, destroyed country.
 
Misfit28 said:
How is it right that a murderous piece of sh1t remains in power?
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So you were ok with Obama? Obamas policies were far far more destructive than Assads yet you voted him for reelection.

Hey why don't we overthrow Saudi Arabia? They broke their all time record last year in beheadings last year far surpassing ISIS. Unlike Assad women have no rights. Let's say a cost of 1.2 million Saudi deaths, it's a small price to pay to bring peace and prosperity let's just keep the children we bomb off of tv during the process.
 
ax1 said:
So you were ok with Obama? Obamas policies were far far more destructive than Assads yet you voted him for reelection.

Hey why don't we overthrow Saudi Arabia? They broke their all time record last year in beheadings last year far surpassing ISIS. Unlike Assad women have no rights. Let's say a cost of 1.2 million Saudi deaths, it's a small price to pay to bring peace and prosperity let's just keep the children we bomb off of tv during the process.
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Obama far more destructive than Assad? Are you serious?

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Misfit28 said:
Obama far more destructive than Assad? Are you serious?
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Yes this is truth. They should show all the children and babies Obama murdered across the Middle East with his bombs of compassion and love drones just to get st "suspected" terrorists on tv all day maybe people will vote with ethics in mind for a change.

Obama finaced both alqueda, Isis, caused civil wars in Syria, Ukraine, destroyed Lybia where they sell sex slaves openly on the street now. Continued the war in Iraq, Afghan, etcccc

He is nothing but a genocidalist terrorist and Assad is only a fraction of the evil Obama is.

What did Assad do? Fight Obamas financed terrorists trying to overthrow and destabilize Syria?

Come on bro.
 
Slogan of the day:

Better to be a conspiracy theorist than an all out phony ass ethical double standard hypocrite.
 
ax1 said:
Yes this is truth. They should show all the children and babies Obama murdered across the Middle East with his bombs of compassion and love drones just to get st "suspected" terrorists on tv all day maybe people will vote with ethics in mind for a change.

Obama finaced both alqueda, Isis, caused civil wars in Syria, Ukraine, destroyed Lybia where they sell sex slaves openly on the street now. Continued the war in Iraq, Afghan, etcccc

He is nothing but a genocidalist terrorist and Assad is only a fraction of the evil Obama is.

What did Assad do? Fight Obamas financed terrorists trying to overthrow and destabilize Syria?

Come on bro.
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Obama financed ISIS? Really?!

It's funny how you make such outrageous statements, but have nothing at all to back it up.
 
Meanwhile, Spicer said this during his apology for the Hitler remarks yesterday:

"I came out to make sure we stay focused on what the president is doing and his decisive action. I needed to make sure that I clarified, and not was in any shape or form any more of a distraction from the president’s decisive action in Syria and the attempts that he is making to destabilize the region and root out ISIS out of Syria.”
 
ax1 said:
Sorry, I have been following the overthrow of Syria and Lybia before these protests even started back in 2009 when I knew of the CIA plots and just posting what I know. You can do your own research and decide whatever you want.

The truth is failed foreign interventionism by the Obama administration has left Syria into complete ruins and 500 million people have been slaughtered as a result of these policies.

If you want a source look up the budgets. Arm protestors and you get death and destruction.

Nice job.
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The problem I have is that you are blaming it all on Obama. Yes, Obama didn't stop it, but these things have been going on for decades. It is ludicrous IMO to blame everything in the Middle East on one two-term President.
 
Misfit28 said:
Obama financed ISIS? Really?!

It's funny how you make such outrageous statements, but have nothing at all to back it up.
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Yes and Obama even openly armed the group that they claim took us out 9/11 alqueda.

Obama is the founding father of ISIS.
 
Misfit28 said:
The problem I have is that you are blaming it all on Obama. Yes, Obama didn't stop it, but these things have been going on for decades. It is ludicrous IMO to blame everything in the Middle East on one two-term President.
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Obama is the leading puppet propagandist in TV. Since he was president I'd start with his arrest and trickle the way down.

Obama fully has supported the same policies as Bush and prior....it's not an excuse to exempt him for the same policies he supports.
 
ax1 said:
Obama is the leading puppet propagandist in TV. Since he was president I'd start with his arrest and trickle the way down.

Obama fully has supported the same policies as Bush and prior....it's not an excuse to exempt him for the same policies he supports.
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I'm not saying to exempt him, but you are erroneously blaming him for everything that has happened in the Middle East. That's wrongheaded, IMO.

The policy breakdowns in the Middle East started WAY before Obama.

It's disingenuous at best IMO to say it is all because of Obama.
 
Misfit28 said:
?? What are you even saying in the first sentence?

So you can substantiate this?
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Typing on phone lol

The Obama administration also openly financed and armed Al-Ciaeda the very group the US claimed that started the whole war on terror bullcrap.

It's ok Obamas military industrial complex lobby people are always happy with his policies.
 
ax1 said:
Typing on phone lol

The Obama administration also openly financed and armed Al-Ciaeda the very group the US claimed that started the whole war on terror bullcrap.

It's ok Obamas military industrial complex lobby people are always happy with his policies.
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Looks like you've been reading Breitbart again.
 
Misfit28 said:
I'm not saying to exempt him, but you are erroneously blaming him for everything that has happened in the Middle East. That's wrongheaded, IMO.

The policy breakdowns in the Middle East started WAY before Obama.

It's disingenuous at best IMO to say it is all because of Obama.
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Because he was the head puppet propagandist in chief.

Look....Don't take that literally as if I'm ONLY blaming Obama, it's the whole administration and most of congress but you have to start by arresting the official top in charge from that time period.

With Lybia alone he completed complete treason, that alone was an act that should give him life in prison....but they eont show the dead babies in CNN so no reason to react.
 
ax1 said:
Actually your a dope I never go to that site they are not my kind of people.
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That's what pops up when I type in your conspiracy theory.

And no I'm not an idiot

Quick edit ;). I'm not a dope either ;)

It really doesn't matter if you go to their stupid site or not if you are propagating their lies.
 
Misfit28 said:
That's what pops up when I type in your conspiracy theory.

And no I'm not an idiot

Quick edit ;). I'm not a dope either ;)

It really doesn't matter if you go to their stupid site or not if you are propagating their lies.
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I prefer official sources, NPR, Media Matters, anything with the financial backing of George Soros along with Factshyt.org for good unbiased and reliable information.
 
ax1 said:
I prefer official sources, NPR, Media Matters, anything with the financial backing of George Soros along with Factshyt.org to double check for good unbiased and reliable information.
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I'm sure you do. This George Soros thing is really getting old lol.

You really seem to have an unhealthy obsession with him. Watch out, he might get a restraining order against you ;)
 
Misfit28 said:
I'm sure you do. This George Soros thing is really getting old lol.

You really seem to have an unhealthy obsession with him. Watch out, he might get a restraining order against you ;)
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He has caused alot of harm to alot of people from his days rounding up the Jews for the Nazis as a little kid all the way up to the modern times contributing to the Ukrainian government overthrow and their civil war and his plans to allow radicals to destabilize Europe to install Global Government. Goerge Soros isnt getting old, he is the now.
 
ax1 said:
He has caused alot of harm to alot of people from his days rounding up the Jews for the Nazis as a little kid all the way up to the modern times contributing to the Ukrainian government overthrow and their civil war and his plans to allow radicals to destabilize Europe to install Global Government. Goerge Soros isnt getting old, he is the now.
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It seems like you believe everything that is prefaced with the word "leak", even though it could be purposefully "leaked" propaganda.
 
Misfit28 said:
Nope, I'm just skeptical of sources.

The same could be said about you.
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We are both a palestini and a jew meeting up in a hotel together after a drunken night at the bars trying to debate and settle some piece of land in the west bank. It always turns out great doesnt it? lol
 
Misfit28 said:
Nope, I'm just skeptical of sources.

The same could be said about you.
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Sources? Some of the stuff I posted about today are directly from the mouths of Obama, Patreus, CIA, and other high level sources you can find directly from them (not some article he said she said) and Ive been doing this for years here but the "conspiracy foil fingers" always gets in your way.
 
ax1 said:
Sources? Some of the stuff I posted about today are directly from the mouths of Obama, Patreus, CIA, and other high level sources you can find directly from them (not some article he said she said) and Ive been doing this for years here but the "conspiracy foil fingers" always gets in your way.
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I believe the topic at hand (which was precipitated by you) was Soros. Stay on topic ;)
 
This thread wreeks of conspiracy, with zero credible substantiation. Here is a legitmate concern - just because something appears on a website, that doesn't make it factually correct.

Im not expert in foreign policy, but I am well versed in training and nutrition things. Specifically, I deal with the whys of each rather than the surface level.

I constantly face unsubstantiated dogma in this field - things that on a surface level appear correct but when you actually delve into it, the lines become blurred and what seems so, rarely is. It is also possible to look too deep into something that you miss the forest for the trees and often see correlations that don't exist.

I'm talking 'credible' websites and people spouting cr*p. I'm talking 'credible' people spouting cr*p. Why? Either they believe it to be themselves, or are simply feeding the biases of those they are talking too.

A lot of people are conformist and do not challenge the status quo, and on the other side some people try so hard to challenge that even the most obvious answer is never taken as correct. To them, it is always conspiracy.
In some cases the conspiracy is blinded by their own hatred of fact that they draw stupid conclusions. See flat earthers or believers in a 5,000 year old earth.

I've seen people make conspiracy or reinforce conspiracy because multiple people use the same phrase whivh coincides with their theory. This aligns with New World Order.

At the end of the day, you should not ever draw fact from one source or one alignment only. Their views can easily be twisted by their desire to challenge everything
 
Listening to the press confereance here between Rex and the Russian guy....wow Tillersin talks for like 10-20 seconds and the russian responds 3-6 minutes at a time. and with far more significance. Talk about taking someone to school.
 
Jiigzz said:
This thread wreeks of conspiracy, with zero credible substantiation. Here is a legitmate concern - just because something appears on a website, that doesn't make it factually correct.

Im not expert in foreign policy, but I am well versed in training and nutrition things. Specifically, I deal with the whys of each rather than the surface level.

I constantly face unsubstantiated dogma in this field - things that on a surface level appear correct but when you actually delve into it, the lines become blurred and what seems so, rarely is. It is also possible to look too deep into something that you miss the forest for the trees and often see correlations that don't exist.

I'm talking 'credible' websites and people spouting cr*p. I'm talking 'credible' people spouting cr*p. Why? Either they believe it to be themselves, or are simply feeding the biases of those they are talking too.

A lot of people are conformist and do not challenge the status quo, and on the other side some people try so hard to challenge that even the most obvious answer is never taken as correct. To them, it is always conspiracy.
In some cases the conspiracy is blinded by their own hatred of fact that they draw stupid conclusions. See flat earthers or believers in a 5,000 year old earth.

I've seen people make conspiracy or reinforce conspiracy because multiple people use the same phrase whivh coincides with their theory. This aligns with New World Order.

At the end of the day, you should not ever draw fact from one source or one alignment only. Their views can easily be twisted by their desire to challenge everything
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Tin foil finger person, huh?
 
Jiigzz said:
The rest of the world sees trumps rise to president as a drop in the intellect of the american people. While other country's opinions may not concern you, its kind of sad watching a global superpower sink to the ground in this way.

World War Two saw you rise as an economic superpower, and now you want to wage war to keep that power going. You and your people will bring civilization to the ground.
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what about france...they might be electing a female version of Donald trump-marine le pen?
 
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