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Donald Trump running for president

Gutterpump said:
I just find it ironic when conservatives hate him for this but their own leaders have done far worse in terms of war crimes in the past, but they would never say they hate their own. The Great Conservative Hypocrisy.
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You said "I don't believe in these wars but I don't hold the president responsible for collateral damage."

So a conservative is wrong when they blame Obama and support Bush, but then you are right to put down Bush and Cheney, but not to blame Obama's war mongering interventionist policies?

One unjustification doesnt make your unjustification correct. They are the same unjustification. The Great Gutterpump Hypocrisy :)
 
Gutterpump said:
I think it's insulting to holocaust survivors, families of survivors and people involved in the world wars, when Hitler's name is thrown around so loosely. I'm guilty of it once or twice in the past but I've changed my stance.
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Nobody is insulting Holocaust survivors here.

I mean I can say your insulting the millions of families across the world who have lost children because of Obama's endless wars and drones of love but I dont go there.
 
Gutterpump said:
By throwing around the comparison to Hitler so loosely, you sure are
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Well thats your opinion, and it is my opinion that you are insulting the millions who suffered due to Obama's pro-war interventionist stances that had their entire lives ruined when you say you dont blame Obama and that these people are just "collateral damage."
 
ax1 said:
You said "I don't believe in these wars but I don't hold the president responsible for collateral damage."

So a conservative is wrong when they blame Obama and support Bush, but then you are right to put down Bush and Cheney, but not to blame Obama's war mongering interventionist policies?

One unjustification doesnt make your unjustification correct. They are the same unjustification. The Great Gutterpump Hypocrisy :)
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I don't hate any of our past presidents, so there is no hypocrisy here. They have tough jobs, and I don't necessarily agree with all of their decisions or policies, but hate isn't a word I throw around loosely.

I do hate Trump however.
 
Gutterpump said:
I just find it ironic when conservatives hate him for this but their own leaders have done far worse in terms of war crimes in the past, but they would never say they hate their own. The Great Conservative Hypocrisy.
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Conservatives are largely hypocrites, but so are liberals. It goes both ways; plenty of liberals slam Bush (rightfully so) for his wars, but defend Obama when he does it. Most PEOPLE are hypocrites.
 
Gutterpump said:
I don't hate any of our past presidents, so there is no hypocrisy here. They have tough jobs, and I don't necessarily agree with all of their decisions or policies, but hate isn't a word I throw around loosely.

I do hate Trump however.
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Deep down in all its best to forgive and love them all for being imperfect obscured human beings. That doesnt mean we have to accept the wrongdoing of course and not fight for accountability.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Conservatives are largely hypocrites, but so are liberals. It goes both ways; plenty of liberals slam Bush (rightfully so) for his wars, but defend Obama when he does it. Most PEOPLE are hypocrites.
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I used to get along very well with most Liberals during the entire Bush years. We helped eatchother vent through all the tough times. I voted for Obama....and when I saw Obama flip flop on all his campaign promises and be a pro-war military industrial complex big banker dictator I called him out on the truth and Liberals started hating me for it. Some liberals I know are still liberal and are on the same page with me.
 
Wait a moment. It is Trump who has a copy of Mein Kamf and speeches made by Hitler at his bedside.

This is the derivation of my comment. Nothing more.
I think I will leave the rest to those more entrenched in this debate.

I have no horse in this race. Sanders is out.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Conservatives are largely hypocrites, but so are liberals. It goes both ways; plenty of liberals slam Bush (rightfully so) for his wars, but defend Obama when he does it. Most PEOPLE are hypocrites.
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This is true. This time around, there are a lot of liberals who are very much wishing Bernie was nominated and not Hillary. Most of the democrats that I know are still hating on Hillary and supported Bernie 100%. The ones who supported Hillary from the start are the ones I'd call mainstream political basic b!tches... People who don't really think for themselves, who don't dig deeper, and just follow status quo.
 
Gutterpump said:
I think it's insulting to holocaust survivors, families of survivors and people involved in the world wars, when Hitler's name is thrown around so loosely. I'm guilty of it once or twice in the past but I've changed my stance.
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Is called Godwin's Law
Gutterpump said:
I just find it ironic when conservatives hate him for this but their own leaders have done far worse in terms of war crimes in the past, but they would never say they hate their own. The Great Conservative Hypocrisy.
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Oh yea definitely, I always mention to conservatives that Obama and Ronald Reagan are practically the same economically, on immigration, and one other thing I cant remember now.
 
What do you Trump haters think about the 65 lib "journalists", propagandists to be more correct, named in the Podesta email as being friendly to the campaign, and how certain ones are utilized to "insert a good story" into the news cycle?
 
David Dunn said:
what irony? I did no such preaching, I'm a sexist. i have not nominated anyone, the GOP did.

Here's the irony:
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Bragging about sexually assaulting women =/= women dressing provocatively at a concert

Do you also think rape victims should be blamed because of how they dress?
 
Misfit28 said:
Do you also think rape victims should be blamed because of how they dress?
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must you always use extreme and irrelevant and out of context examples to make a case? Maybe your trying to appeal to my barbaric nature.

Relevant and in context - Lascivious behavior is not a positive or virtuous female character trait and not a model for young females.
 
David Dunn said:
must you always use irrelevant and out of context examples to make s case?

Lascivious behavior is not a positive female character trait and not a model for young females.
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Eh, I'm not saying it's great or something you want to teach your daughters, but Beyoncé (autocorrect really adds the é?) has done pretty well for herself, and I don't think she has any sex tapes/scandals, or even nude pics around. So she does a little provocative stuff and gets paid millions (that's an understatement) for it. I'm NOT saying that's she's a role model, but she's not doing anything that bad really, assuming that's the "worst" thing she's done.
 
Gutterpump said:
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Trumpism 101... smfh
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Yeah and Hitlery announced she will "fix" it meanwhile in her Wikileaks emails she actually wanted the entire Obamacare to collapse the entire time. Both vague and corrupt.
 
Misfit28 said:
HAHAHA. Yeah, I know. So damn vague. I guess it's the same rationale on how he says he will defeat ISIS.
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And Hitlery who was there from the beginning who made the big mess in the Middle East the first place now has the solutions ROFL!
 
Misfit28 said:
Bragging about sexually assaulting women =/= women dressing provocatively at a concert

Do you also think rape victims should be blamed because of how they dress?
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The real Irony is how Michelle condemns Dump for his sexual talks in locker rooms but then invite rappers to the who are constantly degrading women as a full time job.
 
ax1 said:
And Hitlery who was there from the beginning who made the big mess in the Middle East the first place now has the solutions ROFL!
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What what? Hillary is responsible for the whole mess in the middle east - IN THE FIRST PLACE you say? LOL

So you're accusing her of being responsible for initiating British colonialism and US interventionism? Uh yeaaaaaaahhhhh......
 
David Dunn said:
must you always use extreme and irrelevant and out of context examples to make a case? Maybe your trying to appeal to my barbaric nature.

Relevant and in context - Lascivious behavior is not a positive or virtuous female character trait and not a model for young females.
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That's a pretty extreme example you used, I'm matching your example.

Sexual assault is rape, which is what Donald Trump bragged about doing.

Why do you want to control women and how they present themselves? You're pro-life, and you want to presume to tell women how to act and dress so that it meets your standards.

Just because you can't handle the way I present things doesn't mean I'm wrong.
 
Gutterpump said:
What what? Hillary is responsible for the whole mess in the middle east - IN THE FIRST PLACE you say? LOL

So you're accusing her of being responsible for initiating British colonialism and US interventionism? Uh yeaaaaaaahhhhh......
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I think he is saying that it's hypocritical of her to say he can solve the issues in the Middle East when she was apart of the problem in the first place. Not that is wasn't going to happen without her approval but she did want policies that allowed said problems in the Middle East to grow.
 
Misfit28 said:
That's a pretty extreme example you used, I'm matching your example.

Sexual assault is rape, which is what Donald Trump bragged about doing.

Why do you want to control women and how they present themselves? You're pro-life, and you want to presume to tell women how to act and dress so that it meets your standards.

Just because you can't handle the way I present things doesn't mean I'm wrong.
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More extreme projections. You are now making false claims that I want to control woman and tell them how to act and dress.

Yes, of course. Because that's what sexists white males like me do.

You ARE wrong and bordering offensive with you're denegrating stereotype presumptions.

She's not a role model. End point.
 
CJNator said:
I think he is saying that it's hypocritical of her to say he can solve the issues in the Middle East when she was apart of the problem in the first place. Not that is wasn't going to happen without her approval but she did want policies that allowed said problems in the Middle East to grow.
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Nope he actually said "she's been there from the beginning" and that "she's responsible for the whole mess in the middle east in the first place" lol
 
Gutterpump said:
What what? Hillary is responsible for the whole mess in the middle east - IN THE FIRST PLACE you say? LOL

So you're accusing her of being responsible for initiating British colonialism and US interventionism? Uh yeaaaaaaahhhhh......
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Yes she has both supported and expanded everything from being a senetor to Secretary of State.

She IS the problem. The truth is in her votes and policies.
 
ax1 said:
Yes she has both supported and expanded everything from being a senetor to Secretary of State.

She IS the problem. The truth is in her votes and policies.
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No wait, I wanna hear how she started the mess in the Middle East as this is what you actually said
 
CJNator said:
I think he is saying that it's hypocritical of her to say he can solve the issues in the Middle East when she was apart of the problem in the first place. Not that is wasn't going to happen without her approval but she did want policies that allowed said problems in the Middle East to grow.
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^^^^ word!
 
ax1 said:
Some things, Iraq war, Syria, Ukraine, Lybia....ISIS. She played a role in creating all of that.
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Take some history lessons. British colonialism started all of our problems over there.

Hillary also did not invent American interventionism, which we initiated once those problems arose.

I agree that we need to end interventionism though. This is what fuels terrorism and hate, and drains us of money and soldiers.
 
Gutterpump said:
Take some history lessons. British colonialism started all of our problems over there.

Hillary also did not invent American interventionism, which we initiated once those problems arose.
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Hillary didn't come up with these ideas/policies, but she did support and continue to use them. She isn't solely responsible, to say that any one person is responsible for it all makes no sense, but she does deserve criticism over it, and has perpetuated it, as have many politicians in both parties.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Hillary didn't come up with these ideas/policies, but she did support and continue to use them. She isn't solely responsible, to say that any one person is responsible for it all makes no sense, but she does deserve criticism over it, and has perpetuated it, as have many politicians in both parties.
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I'm clearly not arguing what she supports
 
Gutterpump said:
Take some history lessons. British colonialism started all of our problems over there.

Hillary also did not invent American interventionism, which we initiated once those problems arose.

I agree that we need to end interventionism though. This is what fuels terrorism and hate, and drains us of money and soldiers.
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I know all about that, that's history....but Hitlery is the embodiment of everything that is wrong in the modern day. This is what she is and promotes..a war mongering inteventionist, you can't change that.
 
ax1 said:
You have been defending her and even would vote for her.
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I've only argued that she didn't start all the problems in the middle east lol... I'm not sure where you've been tonight, but that's all I've been saying, because this was your over the top claim. Can we move on now? Of course I don't support any policies regarding interventionism, we also went over that when we spoke about the libertarians. I don't want to keep going in circles here. Yes I personally would vote Hillary if it meant keeping Trump out, but I can't vote here. :)
 
Gutterpump said:
I've only argued that she didn't start all the problems in the middle east lol... I'm not sure where you've been tonight, but that's all I've been saying, because this was your over the top claim. Can we move on now? Of course I don't support any policies regarding interventionism, we also went over that when we spoke about the libertarians. I don't want to keep going in circles here. Yes I personally would vote Hillary if it meant keeping Trump out, but I can't vote here. :)
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I'm at a steakhouse now...I guess I do need to eat and entertain my guests a little so deal! Lol

My posts aren't as detailed when typing on a phone so excuse my less attention to quality this evening.
 
David Dunn said:
context. you have a daughter?
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I don't have a daughter. I have a son. And I'm sure as hell going to teach him that the way Trump treats women is NOT the way you treat them.

Beyonce is very successful, why wouldn't she be a good role model? Because she dresses scantily at her concerts? Because she is not ashamed of her sexuality?
 
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