Donald Trump running for president

Misfit28 said:
I don't have a daughter. I have a son. And I'm sure as hell going to teach him that the way Trump treats women is NOT the way you treat them.

Beyonce is very successful, why wouldn't she be a good role model? Because she dresses scantily at her concerts? Because she is not ashamed of her sexuality?
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10,000,000 rep points for you sir.
 
Misfit28 said:
I don't have a daughter. I have a son. And I'm sure as hell going to teach him that the way Trump treats women is NOT the way you treat them.

Beyonce is very successful, why wouldn't she be a good role model? Because she dresses scantily at her concerts? Because she is not ashamed of her sexuality?
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As a sexist it goes without saying that I condone his behavior and emulate and foster the same in my children.

Lasciviousness is not about clothing or pride and is not a virtuous or becoming model for young girls.

Edit: when I objectify a woman I'm a sexist. When a woman objectifies herself she a role model.
 
David Dunn said:
As a sexist it goes without saying that I condone his behavior and emulate and foster the same in my children.

Lasciviousness is not about clothing or pride and is not a virtuous or becoming model for young girls.

Edit: when I objectify a woman I'm a sexist. When a woman objectifies herself she a role model.
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I know the first line is a joke ;) At least I hope it is! LOL.

Lasciviousness is about men having self-control. Just because something might sexually arouse someone (manner of dress, action, etc.) doesn't mean it has to happen. It also doesn't mean that you can control someone's manner of dress or behavior because it MIGHT cause sexual arousal in someone else. It's ridiculous IMO that women should have to be so aware of how they present themselves, while men seem to be given a free pass.

There's a big difference there. Power differentials, etc. Not only that, but the actor performing the "objectification" is markedly different.

You're also assuming that she is objectifying herself. That in and of itself is an assumption.

Everything is not so cut and dry, there are many social and cultural nuances that DO exist and that many people discount as "PC bull$h1t".

I'm not attacking you, I'm just trying to spread awareness that people have very different opinions about this and other issues. Just because others don''t agree with you doesn't mean they are wrong, it's just that a lack of empathy and understanding from other's perspectives seems to be distinctly lacking in today's society.

And yes, I tend to have a bias against people that hold "old fashioned" beliefs. I do try to consider things from the perspectives of others. It doesn't mean I won't express my opinions in ways that you or others of opposing views don't like.
 
Misfit28 said:
I don't have a daughter. I have a son. And I'm sure as hell going to teach him that the way Trump treats women is NOT the way you treat them.

Beyonce is very successful, why wouldn't she be a good role model? Because she dresses scantily at her concerts? Because she is not ashamed of her sexuality?
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Maybe because she is married a former drug dealer and gangster that has made a full time career degrading women and promoting violence in far higher levels than Dump can imagine.
 
David Dunn said:
As a sexist it goes without saying that I condone his behavior and emulate and foster the same in my children.

Lasciviousness is not about clothing or pride and is not a virtuous or becoming model for young girls.

Edit: when I objectify a woman I'm a sexist. When a woman objectifies herself she a role model.
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Hey, can you imagine if Dump wears a elephant trunk thong today in public speaking how in touch he is with his sexuality while Ivanka spanks his tushy?
 
Whatever happened to real classy role models when it comes to talent. If I had a daughter Id want her to look up to Debbie Gibson, not Beyonce.
 
Gutterpump said:
Why is Dump even being compared to Beyonce's husband though? lol what is going on in here
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Well, they're both in entertainment ;) This election has made a farce of our political system. Maybe I'll just forget it and move to a country in Scandinavia. I feel like I'm from there already LOL.
 
Misfit28 said:
Well, they're both in entertainment ;) This election has made a farce of our political system. Maybe I'll just forget it and move to a country in Scandinavia. I feel like I'm from there already LOL.
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I didnt even know we still had a political system, are you sure about that?

It seems like its all entertainment and reality shows. Election is just a popularity contest. Lets see who can win people over by going on the Kimmel Show or showing up at a Cubs game.....can you imagine Eisenhower on the Tonight Show!??!
 
ax1 said:
I didnt even know we still had a political system, are you sure about that?

It seems like its all entertainment and reality shows. Election is just a popularity contest. Lets see who can win people over by going on the Kimmel Show or showing up at a Cubs game.....can you imagine Eisenhower on the Tonight Show!??!
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LOL, so true. I'm beyond disgusted with the whole process at this point.
 
ax1 said:
Whatever happened to real classy role models when it comes to talent. If I had a daughter Id want her to look up to Debbie Gibson, not Beyonce.
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I was very impressed with Pat Benetar and Neil Giraldo when they were interviewed by Dan Rather

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Both are very talented and both have a lot of character and integrity as well as a great marriage model. They were and are a class act. Unfortunately classy doesn't get attention or accolsdes these days.
 
How someone's perception on how a woman should be depends on the culture one was raised. At that point it's merely opinions but I dislike the progressive way of being only due to the fact that they want everyone to accept change even if it goes against us as humans. Same with the more traditional culture, they want to demonize anything that goes against their way of being. I believe in individual choice but I also don't think mental disorders should be considered a choice unless said individual has a choice to deal with it. No one should be forced to live a lifestyle if it isn't their choice and freely accepting a lifestyle can have catastrophic consequences on a culture.
 
David Dunn said:
I was very impressed with Pat Benetar and Neil Giraldo when they were interviewed by Dan Rather

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Both are very talented and both have a lot of character and integrity as well as a great marriage model. They were and are a class act. Unfortunately classy doesn't get attention or accolsdes these days.
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Obama's invite Rick Ross (who raps about drugs, violence and constantly degrade women to the lower levels) just after being indicted for assaulting and kidnapping two people for a youth empowerment program.

Whats even more hillarious is its for specifically for “My Brother’s Keeper,” which Obama hopes will encourage black youths to stay on the right side of the law.

Now the funny funny funny part was that Rick Ross's ankle braclet went off while shortly after Obama finished his speech!!!

HOW TO F' YOU MAKE THIS SHYT UP!!!

This is whats going on in our country, but hey Dump, cant talk about tickling vaginas privately to your boys in locker rooms, you really really bad role model!!

The problem with this country is that they most of our children. Thanks OBAMA!!!!!
 
ax1 said:
Obama's invite Rick Ross (who raps about drugs, violence and constantly degrade women to the lower levels) just after being indicted for assaulting and kidnapping two people for a youth empowerment program.

Whats even more hillarious is its for specifically for “My Brother’s Keeper,” which Obama hopes will encourage black youths to stay on the right side of the law.

Now the funny funny funny part was that Rick Ross's ankle braclet went off while shortly after Obama finished his speech!!!

HOW TO F' YOU MAKE THIS SHYT UP!!! This is whats going on in our country, but hey Dump, cant talk about tickling vaginas privately to your boys in locker rooms, you really really bad role model.

The problem with this country is that they most of our children. Thanks OBAMA!!!!!
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Yeah I was looking at a list of rappers who've been to the WH while he's been in office. I can't imagine where Michele gets the balls to judge Donald or even come out about it in defense of woman in general except to be the walking talking hypocrite
 
CJNator said:
How someone's perception on how a woman should be depends on the culture one was raised. At that point it's merely opinions but I dislike the progressive way of being only due to the fact that they want everyone to accept change even if it goes against us as humans. Same with the more traditional culture, they want to demonize anything that goes against their way of being. I believe in individual choice but I also don't think mental disorders should be considered a choice unless said individual has a choice to deal with it. No one should be forced to live a lifestyle if it isn't their choice and freely accepting a lifestyle can have catastrophic consequences on a culture.
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Who is talking about mental disorders? I don't really understand this, what does "goes against us as humans" even mean?

America is about a mixture of cultures, I think that's why we sometimes have so many disagreements about what is "right".
 
Misfit28 said:
Who is talking about mental disorders? I don't really understand this, what does "goes against us as humans" even mean?

America is about a mixture of cultures, I think that's why we sometimes have so many disagreements about what is "right".
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I mean human nature and mental disorder is something mentally that changes the way an individual can act. Let's say being generally provocative is linked to being a mental disorder, traditionalists will demonized it and progressives will accept it. Accepting it allows the individual to act however they want but if something is actually wrong psychologically then this will disrupt the culture. Demonizing it only created these modern feminist reactionaries.

Now I say let's look into this way of being and find out why said individuals are acting this way but also allowing said individuals to act on it however they want, whether they want to go to therapy or not is on them but it should be looked into sociologically.

America is a mix of cultures but in the end it's between Marxism and traditionalism. Multiculturalism is dangerous since cultures are collective and when they influence politics it forces individuals to be subjected to scrutiny and eventually exile by the major collective at hand(in the US it would be Marxism now).
 
Misfit28 said:
I know the first line is a joke ;) At least I hope it is! LOL.

Lasciviousness is about men having self-control. Just because something might sexually arouse someone (manner of dress, action, etc.) doesn't mean it has to happen. It also doesn't mean that you can control someone's manner of dress or behavior because it MIGHT cause sexual arousal in someone else. It's ridiculous IMO that women should have to be so aware of how they present themselves, while men seem to be given a free pass.

There's a big difference there. Power differentials, etc. Not only that, but the actor performing the "objectification" is markedly different.

You're also assuming that she is objectifying herself. That in and of itself is an assumption.

Everything is not so cut and dry, there are many social and cultural nuances that DO exist and that many people discount as "PC bull$h1t".

I'm not attacking you, I'm just trying to spread awareness that people have very different opinions about this and other issues. Just because others don''t agree with you doesn't mean they are wrong, it's just that a lack of empathy and understanding from other's perspectives seems to be distinctly lacking in today's society.

And yes, I tend to have a bias against people that hold "old fashioned" beliefs. I do try to consider things from the perspectives of others. It doesn't mean I won't express my opinions in ways that you or others of opposing views don't like.
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You are very talented at attempting to transfer accountability for everything to anywhere and everywhere else.

It's an everything and anything goes world we live in and I just need to accept it. With enough empathy and the proper perspective I'll be on my way. Thanks for spreading the word :)
 
David Dunn said:
Yeah I was looking at a list of rappers who've been to the WH while he's been in office. I can't imagine where Michele gets the balls to judge Donald or even come out about it in defense of woman in general except to be the walking talking hypocrite
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Difference is, Donald is running for president, these rappers aren't? I'm not sure where the hypocrisy comes into play?

Musicians =\= President

It is everybody's right to criticize a politician who is running for president. Musicians on the other hand are not representing our whole country on a global scale. Presidents should be, in the very least, respectable.

How is this even a topic of conversation. It's common sense.
 
Geeezus, seriously guys, a bunch of musicians aren't running for prez. Get over it.

Donald Drumpf is, and he's a total douche. Why are people getting side tracked on people's musical tastes / musical guests, and then comparing it to Trump. It's a bit ridiculous.
 
Gutterpump said:
Difference is, Donald is running for president, these rappers aren't? I'm not sure where the hypocrisy comes into play?

Musicians =\= President

It is everybody's right to criticize a politician who is running for president. Musicians on the other hand are not representing our whole country on a global scale. Presidents should be, in the very least, respectable.

How is this even a topic of conversation. It's common sense.
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It just shows the double standard. If Michelle had any ethics at all she would cuff Obama in his sleep with a citizens arrest. Unlike Dump, he already is a political war crime criminal.
 
ax1 said:
It just shows the double standard. If Michelle had any ethics at all she would cuff Obama in his sleep with a citizens arrest. Unlike Dump, he already is a political war crime criminal.
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There is no bloody double standard. People are criticizing someone who wants to hold our highest office of power.

Rappers make music. They aren't held to the same standard. They are artists. They can look, dress, act like they want and all they do is make themselves look stupid, not our whole country.

Seriously, what the efffff is wrong with y'all
 
Anyhow, musical tastes/guests aren't even relevant to this election. But looks like the FBI reopened the investigation on Hillary today.
 
Gutterpump said:
Anyhow, musical tastes/guests aren't even relevant to this election. But looks like the FBI reopened the investigation on Hillary today.
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I just heard on the radio, this is getting interesting.

Maybe this time the FBI will run the investigation and not what the FBI called "shadow government" and the "7th floor" in their documents they released last week.
 
Hell yes. Give us someone else! Anyone!
 
Gutterpump said:
Difference is, Donald is running for president, these rappers aren't? I'm not sure where the hypocrisy comes into play?

Musicians =\= President

It is everybody's right to criticize a politician who is running for president. Musicians on the other hand are not representing our whole country on a global scale. Presidents should be, in the very least, respectable.

How is this even a topic of conversation. It's common sense.
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She's is judging a running candidate to a standard yet her husband, the sitting President, and herself, associates with the same womanizing and woman abusing element in their own house - our White House. That's a double standard and a hypocrite. She did the talking and I'm calling her a hypocrite regardless of whose running.
 
Gutterpump said:
There is no bloody double standard. People are criticizing someone who wants to hold our highest office of power.

Rappers make music. They aren't held to the same standard. They are artists. They can look, dress, act like they want and all they do is make themselves look stupid, not our whole country.

Seriously, what the efffff is wrong with y'all
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When your First Lady endorse their stupidity as role model material and entertains woman abusers and then talks out against woman abuse and exploitation and we praise her for it kind of does make us look stupid IMHO.

I like Just Ssy No s bit more. Don't you? :D
 
David Dunn said:
She's is judging a running candidate to a standard yet her husband, the sitting President, and herself, associates with the same womanizing and woman abusing element in their own house - our White House. That's a double standard and a hypocrite. She did the talking and I'm calling her a hypocrite regardless of whose running.
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Wait what? Do Obama and Michelle actually speak or behave like Trump or these rappers? This still makes no sense. Our current president and his wife actually act and behave respectably, they do no speak or act or behave like Trump or these rappers so anything you are saying here has no bearing on any of this nor does it make any sense to compare. You're actually comparing the morals and behaviour of Obama/Michelle to Trump and saying they are no better and calling them hypocrites? LOL wow.... Grasping at straws....
 
Gutterpump said:
Wait what? Do Obama and Michelle actually speak or behave like Trump or these rappers? This still makes no sense. Our current president and his wife actually act and behave respectably, they do no speak or act or behave like Trump or these rappers so anything you are saying here has no bearing on any of this nor does it make any sense to compare. You're actually comparing the morals and behaviour of Obama/Michelle to Trump and saying they are no better and calling them hypocrites? LOL wow.... Grasping at straws....
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Actually Obama's evil behaviors to society and to the world far exceed above all the crimes, murders and mischief's than all the rappers combined in history, so you make a good point.
 
Gutterpump said:
Wait what? Do Obama and Michelle actually speak or behave like Trump or these rappers? This still makes no sense. Our current president and his wife actually act and behave respectably, they do no speak or act or behave like Trump or these rappers so anything you are saying here has no bearing on any of this nor does it make any sense to compare. You're actually comparing the morals and behaviour of Obama/Michelle to Trump and saying they are no better and calling them hypocrites? LOL wow.... Grasping at straws....
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No! I'm not comparing anything. You keep bringing Trump into this. This is simply about her and him and their rapper friend. Their rapper friends are woman abusers and she has no right passing judgement on anyone treatment of woman when she keeps company with the same. Well she has the right to say whatever she wants....
 
David Dunn said:
Just say no to drugs! ;)
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It was primarily just talk talk talk the right things people in my high school that because the heaviest drug users by the time we graduated.

I can imagine the outrage if it was talk talk about doing drugs but never touching them.
 
David Dunn said:
No! I'm not comparing anything. You keep bringing Trump into this. This is simply about her and him and their rapper friend. Their rapper friends are woman abusers and she has no right passing judgement on anyone treatment of when she keeps company with the same.
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And promotes them as role models to a troubled youth movement. These thugs are our modern day role models promoted by the White House but Dump cant be rich and get laid.
 
ax1 said:
And promotes them as role models to a troubled youth movement. These thugs are our modern day role models promoted by the White House but Dump cant be rich and get laid.
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Beyonce isn't a thug lol

Wow I wouldn't want either of you guys as parents! lol
 
Gutterpump said:
90's hiphop was the best
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100% true!

Gutterpump said:
Beyonce isn't a thug lol

Wow I wouldn't want either of you guys as parents! lol
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She is Illuminati.

Gutterpump said:
ax1 do you have kids? and if so, I bet you home school them?
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We have no plans for kids, I dont think this plan will change I hope, lol.

If I did I would do everything I can to convince my wife to school them through the Ron Paul's K-12 home school system. RonPaulCurriculum.com

“We cannot expect a federal government controlled school system to provide the intellectual ammunition to combat the dangerous growth of government that threatens our liberties,”

-Ron Paul during his farewell speech to Congress
 
ax1 said:
100% true!



She is Illuminati.



We have no plans for kids, I dont think this plan will change I hope, lol.

If I did I would do everything I can to convince my wife to school them through the Ron Paul's K-12 home school system. RonPaulCurriculum.com

“We cannot expect a federal government controlled school system to provide the intellectual ammunition to combat the dangerous growth of government that threatens our liberties,”

-Ron Paul during his farewell speech to Congress
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Yeah I don't plan on ever having kids myself either. World is too f'd up, I'm too f'd up and we don't need more people on this earth either
 
Gutterpump said:
Yeah I don't plan on ever having kids myself either. World is too f'd up, I'm too f'd up and we don't need more people on this earth either
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The Department of Education is completely compromised by shadow government.

You can look into whistleblower Charlotte Thompson Iserbyt who was head of policy during the Reagan Administration. She is aweseome, her family was Skull and Bones. She is up there in age and has told about alot of things in recent years.

 
muscleupcrohn said:
Eminem and Tech N9ne are good and still putting out music, but they're definitely not "new" rappers. And Sir Mix-a-Lot has a much better song for positive body image than Meghan Trainor.
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I love Immortal Technique...that dude raps alot of truth.
 
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