Donald Trump running for president

thebigt said:
why not accept it as someone doing something nice for you? that is the spirit in which it is intended....


lol...life is too short to let yourself get annoyed and worked up over someone saying they will pray for you, I can think of many, many, better things to get annoyed and worked up over.
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Easy to say for someone who believes what most people believe.

Try living in my shoes in the South as an atheist. I have to just smile and nod when people preach to me about Jesus or mention that God will do things for them. Christians, in my experience, tend to automatically assume that others are Christians as well. I personally find that offensive and incredibly close-minded. I feel as if I have to watch what I say or face repercussions. I imagine that is how a lot of people of different faiths feel around outspoken Christians.
 
thebigt said:
lol...I don't think one prayer will be enough for you....but I aint mad at you over it, I used to feel the same way once!!!

from now on I will pray for you, but not tell you!!!
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I think they're wasted prayers, personally ;) My grandmother and other family members have been praying for me for a LONG time. I've been an atheist for as long as I can remember, and I'm coming up on 42 years old!
 
Misfit28 said:
Easy to say for someone who believes what most people believe.

Try living in my shoes in the South as an atheist. I have to just smile and nod when people preach to me about Jesus or mention that God will do things for them. Christians, in my experience, tend to automatically assume that others are Christians as well. I personally find that offensive and incredibly close-minded. I feel as if I have to watch what I say or face repercussions. I imagine that is how a lot of people of different faiths feel around outspoken Christians.
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from what you post I think for the most part you're generally upset regardless.
 
Misfit28 said:
Nope. Of course, you're free to think what you want.

However, the only context you know me from is what I post on here. Kind of a limited sample to draw from, yes?
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defensive much? No. All of your posts is a sufficient sample of the posts that reflect your're upset.
 
David Dunn said:
if you believe in God what about him do you believe? Where do you get that information from?

If you follow God what lead or example do you follow? Where do you get that lead or example?
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Great questions that deserve a long reply. I'll definitely reply later on in the day (swamped at work right now). I've been raised by someone who was almost a Catholic priest, was in the seminary for the full time. I also attended summer bible camp (Protestant bible camp) for most of my youth, and thus I have a very broad religious (Christian) upbringing. I was also very close friends with many Mormons & Born Again Christians, and attended their events from time to time. I've spoken in great detail with and been close with people from all forms of the Christian faith, so I will have a good answer for you.
 
Misfit28 said:
Easy to say for someone who believes what most people believe.

Try living in my shoes in the South as an atheist. I have to just smile and nod when people preach to me about Jesus or mention that God will do things for them. Christians, in my experience, tend to automatically assume that others are Christians as well. I personally find that offensive and incredibly close-minded. I feel as if I have to watch what I say or face repercussions. I imagine that is how a lot of people of different faiths feel around outspoken Christians.
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my friend, I went to a catholic college long before I found GOD.

I am sorry you feel that I am preaching....

I look at it as if I won the lottery when I found GOD and want to share the wealth.
 
David Dunn said:
defensive much? No. All of your posts is a sufficient sample of the posts that reflect your're upset.
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All of my posts in this thread perhaps. It's a political thread, one should expect emotions to run high.

Do you make a habit of of passing judgment on others based on limited information? Now you're saying I'm defensive.

So, in two posts, you have judged me as being upset and defensive, based on context free black and white text on a forum.
 
Misfit28 said:
Nope. Of course, you're free to think what you want.

However, the only context you know me from is what I post on here. Kind of a limited sample to draw from, yes?
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defensive much? No. All of your posts is a sufficient sample of the posts that reflect your're upset.
 
thebigt said:
my friend, I went to a catholic college long before I found GOD.

I am sorry you feel that I am preaching....

I look at it as if I won the lottery when I found GOD and want to share the wealth.
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And I don't malign you for your beliefs. I have no problem with Christians, as long as they don't attempt to convince me to become one (aka proselytizing).
 
Misfit28 said:
Easy to say for someone who believes what most people believe.

Try living in my shoes in the South as an atheist. I have to just smile and nod when people preach to me about Jesus or mention that God will do things for them. Christians, in my experience, tend to automatically assume that others are Christians as well. I personally find that offensive and incredibly close-minded. I feel as if I have to watch what I say or face repercussions. I imagine that is how a lot of people of different faiths feel around outspoken Christians.
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Your taking it too personal. Ive had people tell me to my face and also talking behind my back that Im going to hell. Its not a big deal, all that matters is that they are nice people end of day.
 
ax1 said:
Your taking it too personal. Ive had people tell me to my face and also talking behind my back that Im going to hell. Its not a big deal, all that matters is that they are nice people end of day.
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I don't consider people who think I'm going to suffer eternally in a lake of fire simply because I don't believe as they do to be nice people, LOL.
 
Misfit28 said:
I don't consider people who think I'm going to suffer eternally in a lake of fire simply because I don't believe as they do to be nice people, LOL.
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I believe you will sink to the deepest hells of all hells if you vote for Hitlery, how is that? j/k
 
Misfit28 said:
All of my posts in this thread perhaps. It's a political thread, one should expect emotions to run high.

Do you make a habit of of passing judgment on others based on limited information? Now you're saying I'm defensive.

So, in two posts, you have judged me as being upset and defensive, based on context free black and white text on a forum.
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its called an observation. No one has "passed judgement" upon you. Get over yourself or whatever it is that has you so critically defensive of the minutia. I approve and accept you just as you are.
 
David Dunn said:
its called an observation. No one has "passed judgement" upon you. Get over yourself or whatever it is that has you so critically defensive of the minutia. I approve and accept you just as you are.
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OK, observe on. I'll let you have the last word, if you want. From my observations, it seems to be what you need.
 
I have just one more thing to say on this then I have to take care of business....AA and NA are so widely accepted worldwide as recovery groups for addicts and alcoholics that judges even court order people to attend...the programs are based on the same 12 step program, of which the main tenant being turning your life over to a higher power, not necessarily GOD although the vast majority of people do consider GOD to be their higher power.

to sustain recovery from an addiction is very difficult, many have tried and many have failed...to me I see the success of the 12 step programs as a testament to the power of belief in GOD. I am not saying there are not atheists and non-believers who have had success in recovery without GOD as their higher power, but they are truly in the minority....

if anyone doubts the power of turning your life over to GOD, just look at the success of the 12 step programs.

ok, I am done...everyone be safe!!!

later....:sadwavey:
 
Christian leaders endorse Drumpf overwhelmingly. But again, religion is fascist at its core, so we shouldn't be surprised by that group's endorsement.
 
Gutterpump said:
Back on the topic of America, let's look at how killing black children has been an American Tradition in order to preserve white supremacy.

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Since all the "white supremicists" and KKK were founded by democrats, that must be why all the Democrats support planned parenthood and the ability for women "to control their body" with reckless and blind abandon.

Since 1973, 17,781,528 black babies have been murdered by abortion.
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What's worse is the number of blacks that support it also. Here's Hilary praising Margaret Sanger as a hero.
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Why would black people support people that support abortions when such a large percentage are black babies being killed?
 
thebigt said:
I have just one more thing to say on this then I have to take care of business....AA and NA are so widely accepted worldwide as recovery groups for addicts and alcoholics that judges even court order people to attend...the programs are based on the same 12 step program, of which the main tenant being turning your life over to a higher power, not necessarily GOD although the vast majority of people do consider GOD to be their higher power.

to sustain recovery from an addiction is very difficult, many have tried and many have failed...to me I see the success of the 12 step programs as a testament to the power of belief in GOD. I am not saying there are not atheists and non-believers who have had success in recovery without GOD as their higher power, but they are truly in the minority....

if anyone doubts the power of turning your life over to GOD, just look at the success of the 12 step programs.

ok, I am done...everyone be safe!!!

later....:sadwavey:
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I'm very glad it worked for you, but it seems that it's success rate may be overhyped.
 
ax1 said:
Your taking it too personal. Ive had people tell me to my face and also talking behind my back that Im going to hell. Its not a big deal, all that matters is that they are nice people end of day.
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Agreed. As one of the more staunch non-theists on AM for so many years, I never cared about all the times I have been told I am going to hell. My response is usually on of excitement, specifically stating, all the great minds that must be there if the criteria for going is not believing :)

Also, please bear in mind, that my earlier education career was based primarily in study and teaching religious history. So my non-theism, while it does have strong roots with my father, is also based on countless years of study. Specifically ancient history that pre-dates the judo christian world
 
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Here's another great article this PhD "journalist" wrote during or after the Baltimore riots. She proclaims those rioting and looting as "freedom fighters" and proclaims the mother that caught her son participating in the thuggery as "helping racist america". There's no extreme bias coming from her at all.
 
AE14 said:
Agreed. As one of the more staunch non-theists on AM for so many years, I never cared about all the times I have been told I am going to hell. My response is usually on of excitement, specifically stating, all the great minds that must be there if the criteria for going is not believing :)

Also, please bear in mind, that my earlier education career was based primarily in study and teaching religious history. So my non-theism, while it does have strong roots with my father, is also based on countless years of study. Specifically ancient history that pre-dates the judo christian world
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Well said. I've always said that hell must have the best music :D

Perhaps I do let it get to me too much at times, LOL. It's one of my "buttons", I guess you could say.
 
And, after his stupid mistakes of the last few week,s he has now shaken up his team less than three months from the election.
 
Any comments about Mark Foley being at a Trump rally?

There was such an uproar over the Orlando shooter's father being at a Clinton rally. Mark Foley ACTUALLY DID something to deserve derision.
 
Misfit28 said:
Any comments about Mark Foley being at a Trump rally?

There was such an uproar over the Orlando shooter's father being at a Clinton rally. Mark Foley ACTUALLY DID something to deserve derision.
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With all due respect, so did the Orlando shooters father. Take a look at where he has stated his support is.
 
AE14 said:
With all due respect, so did the Orlando shooters father. Take a look at where he has stated his support is.
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You talking about running for president of Afghanistan?

Mark Foley sent suggestive emails and sexually explicit IMs to former Congressional pages. They were underage teenage males. The ironic thing: He helped pass legislation against online sexual exploitation of children.
 
Misfit28 said:
You talking about running for president of Afghanistan?

Mark Foley sent suggestive emails and sexually explicit IMs to former Congressional pages. They were underage teenage males. The ironic thing: He helped pass legislation against online sexual exploitation of children.
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His vocal support for radical Taliban and saying his islamic view of homosexuality may have been an influence on his mass murdering son. That's a bit richer than him running for president of afghanistan.
 
Misfit28 said:
I'll look into that.

Any comment on Mark Foley?
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What kind of comment do you want? They've been friends since the 80's according to Foley.

" The billionaire wannabe president gave more than $8,000 to Foley’s political bids between 1997 and 2006, according to NBC’s Katy Tur.

"I've been a friend of Mr. Trump's since 1987. I've admired so much of what he's done. He's a different breed of leader and a different breed of candidate,” he told the Sun-Sentinel.

Trump’s own statements seem to support that. Back in 2006 — after the Foley scandal broke — Trump spoke about their acquaintance on CNN."
 
Trump being long time friends with a guy who sent illicit text messages is better than Bill Clinton hanging with known pedophile Jeff Epstein.

" Epstein pleaded guilty in 2008 in Florida to one count of soliciting underage girls for sex (and one count of adult solicitation), for which he served just over a year in county jail. But sprawling local, state, and federal investigations into the eccentric investor's habit of paying teen girls for "massages"—sessions during which he would allegedly penetrate girls with sex toys, demand to be masturbated, and have intercourse—turned up a massive network of victims, including 35 female minors whom federal prosecutors believed he'd sexually abused. He has reportedly settled lawsuits from more than 30 "Jane Doe" victims since 2008; the youngest alleged victim was 12 years old at the time of her abuse."
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youngandfree said:
His vocal support for radical Taliban and saying his islamic view of homosexuality may have been an influence on his mass murdering son. That's a bit richer than him running for president of afghanistan.
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He supports the same type people that are Hitleries biggest supporters of her Clitoris Foundation.
 
hillarys health problems seem to be getting worse...she has taken Coumadin since 1998 for her blood clotting issues. side effects of Coumadin include blurred vision and confusion....in a hacked email between top Clinton aids they mentioned that Hillary was taking her afternoon nap and and to remind her twice of an upcoming event because she often gets confused.

insiders report that Hillary often combines anti-depressants with alcohol and is prone to violet outbursts of anger. she 'beat up' bill in the private bedroom of the white house and secret service had to pull her off...bill had scratches to his face and neck.

it is also reported that she goes on junk food binges and has gained 20lbs, very bad for someone of her age and poor health.

btw-if you are wondering who the guy that is always with her is...he is not secret service, and he is not a regular doctor...he is neurologist DR.OLADOTUN OKUNOLA.
 
thebigt said:
hillarys health problems seem to be getting worse...she has taken Coumadin since 1998 for her blood clotting issues. side effects of Coumadin include blurred vision and confusion....in a hacked email between top Clinton aids they mentioned that Hillary was taking her afternoon nap and and to remind her twice of an upcoming event because she often gets confused.

insiders report that Hillary often combines anti-depressants with alcohol and is prone to violet outbursts of anger. she 'beat up' bill in the private bedroom of the white house and secret service had to pull her off...bill had scratches to his face and neck.

it is also reported that she goes on junk food binges and has gained 20lbs, very bad for someone of her age and poor health.

btw-if you are wondering who the guy that is always with her is...he is not secret service, and he is not a regular doctor...he is neurologist DR.OLADOTUN OKUNOLA.
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I heard some insider stuff about seizures and that she may be suffering from CTE from multiple concussions....they have to protect her from camera flashes and she is a big mess.

Her karma is almost as bad as it gets.
 
ax1 said:
I heard some insider stuff about seizures and that she may be suffering from CTE from multiple concussions....they have to protect her from camera flashes and she is a big mess.

Her karma is almost as bad as it gets.
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that seizure stuff seems to have validity....I have heard that from several different sources....also heard that bill has severe parkinsons and early stage alzheimers. from what I have been hearing bill is gravely ill....if something were to happen to bill I think it would send her over the cliff-they may not be the perfect couple but bill has always been there to support her and vice versa. Hillary would be a ship without a rudder without bill, imo.
 
Lol, I see the conservative Trump rumor mill is in good working shape........

I won't even ask for proof, it's just a waste of time, LOL.
 
I sure wish people could be bothered to at least TRY to determine the veracity of the crap they read before posting it.
 
Misfit28 said:
Lol, I see the conservative Trump rumor mill is in good working shape........

I won't even ask for proof, it's just a waste of time, LOL.
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if only you knew how to google....

I suppose you think they are the picture of health....bill looks really bad, there is no denying that...and hillarys blood clots and use of Coumadin is well
documented. also the emails between top Hillary aides talking about her bouts of confusion are being talked about all over the place and ae well documented. and it's not hard to notice that Hillary has put on a considerable amount of weight.

books have been wrote about hillarys anger issues, and have not been disputed. her temperament is not very good, lol.


seriously...I think Hillary is in bad health but bill looks like he is gravely ill.
 
Misfit28 said:
I sure wish people could be bothered to at least TRY to determine the veracity of the crap they read before posting it.
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lol...I wish people would stay current if they wish to discuss 'current affairs', lol.
 
Misfit28 said:
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Not snopes again, lol.......I cant look at that up and down tonight am juggling some work and study, but I can tell you for a fact just on my own observation over the years that she is a complete evil war mongering lunatic, totally out of touch with reality and doesnt respect human nature.
 
It seems all you know how to do is Google and look at the first things that come up. I'm a bit more selective in my Google searches.
 
ax1 said:
Not snopes again, lol.......I cant look at that up and down tonight am juggling some work and study, but I can tell you for a fact just on my own observation over the years that she is a complete lunatic and totally out of touch with human nature.
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Ok, I'll find other sources then. Can you provide credible sources?
thebigt has admitted he can't link things.

Yet he accuses me of not knowing how to use Google, LOL. I work with computer scientists on a daily basis. Everything I do at work is on a computer.
 
Misfit28 said:
Ok, I'll find other sources then. Can you provide credible sources?
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Now is just not a good time for me to do this due to time constraints. Im stopping here to try to contribute slightly. You are allowed to post snopes, lol. I have my own sources I just cant get into it now no disrespect very busy at least not tonight :)

Neither Trump or Clinton are young thats for sure.
 
Misfit28 said:
Ok, I'll find other sources then. Can you provide credible sources?
thebigt has admitted he can't link things.

Yet he accuses me of not knowing how to use Google, LOL. I work with computer scientists on a daily basis. Everything I do at work is on a computer.
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I thought you were a nurse?
 
Misfit28 said:
Never said that. I said I work in the medical field.

You can work in the medical field without actually doing medical care.
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fair enough...what do you know about Coumadin and long term side effects?
 
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