thebigt
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Dog? Wtf?
And I throw around Bible verses to call Christians out on their hypocrisy
I apologize. maybe one day you will find GOD also. you are missing out on something truly life changing.
GOD BLESS
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I apologize. maybe one day you will find GOD also. you are missing out on something truly life changing.
GOD BLESS
muscleupcrohn
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Every single one of us is a hypocrite in some way or another, no?Dog? Wtf?
And I throw around Bible verses to call Christians out on their hypocrisy
Misfit28
Well-known member
The attempt at indoctrination failed in early childhood, so I seriously doubt it, LOL.
Thanks for the sentiment, though. I'm not being facetious there, although I'm sure you said it in a piteous manner
Misfit28
Well-known member
Good point, but those who act like they aren't are the ones who really chap my hide
muscleupcrohn
Legend
I agree with that. Again, maybe I just go to a good Church, but I feel most people there are actually more aware that they are hypocritical than the average American, and actually make attempts to remedy this.Good point, but those who act like they aren't are the ones who really chap my hide
Misfit28
Well-known member
I live in the Bible Belt, things are different here lol.
muscleupcrohn
Legend
Going back to your talk of attempted indoctrination, perhaps that is because there is a difference between someone who has God forced on them and someone who themselves truly seeks and wants God. Even comparing this to other areas of life; who tries harder and cares more about university, the kid who is only going because their loaded parents are making them, or the person who is passionate about their education and had to work to get a scholarship?
thebigt
Legend
The attempt at indoctrination failed in early childhood, so I seriously doubt it, LOL.
Thanks for the sentiment, though. I'm not being facetious there, although I'm sure you said it in a piteous manner
I understand completely..my mother did her best to make sure I went to sunday school and church and even catechism classes. I rebelled and often mocked GOD and religion, so I have empathy with you--actually I was you.....I was fortunate enough to find GOD when my life was in the balance, I hope you never reach the depths I had to reach to finally reach out and find GOD, but I sincerely hope that one day you will find HIM!!! I truly feel guilty for not representing GOD in a manner which he deserves
LiftWithDonuts
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Meh, don't need a thousand+ year old book to tell me how to live. If there is a god, I'm sure she/it/he doesn't want us all dwelling on historic possibilities to determine our future but wants us all to progressively evolve for the betterment of mankind and all of life creations.
muscleupcrohn
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I agree that the Bible (or any religious text) shouldn't be the only thing one uses to build a relationship with God or learn how to live, but I do think it teaches some valuable lessons if nothing else.
LiftWithDonuts
Well-known member
No offense, but I think throwing a kid into a church school to have the teachers there read a book about what's right and wrong is a very lazy way of raising a child.
I'm glad you found something that has a higher purpose, but some people don't need that. The better educated we get as a people we slowly start to see religion going away, especially with younger generations and I think it is a great thing
LiftWithDonuts
Well-known member
That's true...ish. Because with all they say are good can come some very bad things
thebigt
Legend
GOD will be there when you are ready.
Socalmk6gti
Active member
Jesus doesn't ask you to be religious. Read the Bible and you will develop a relationship with Christ that you never thought possible. If you hit a roadblock, say a prayer and ask God Himself to clear the path and make your way know. For many people they need the weekly church service. For most people they just need to read their Bible and continue their relationship with Christ. For HE has all of the answers and promises His sacrifice and eternal life make known.
#beonewithJesus
thebigt
Legend
and look what a mess the world is in...I don't think the younger generations are doing all that well myself!!!
muscleupcrohn
Legend
I think he's talking about the generations in their 20-30s. If that's the case, us youngsters haven't had ample opportunity to screw up the world yet. That's on you older folks for the most part, for now anyway.
LiftWithDonuts
Well-known member
You mean the "God" who created cancer?
You mean the God who made it possible for my grandparents to forget their children due to Alzheimer's?
The God that lets innocent children starve daily?
The God who is cool with perpetual warfare and death?
Yeah, God sure has helped a lot huh.
What his plan behind death of innocent people?
muscleupcrohn
Legend
The concept of reincarnation makes things like this A LOT more interesting IMO. What happens when an infant dies? Do they go to heaven as a baby with only the cognitive capabilities of an infant? That hardly seems fair; to spend eternity as a baby. And what about people who never "found God" in their lifetime? Are they really deserving of eternal damnation? I'm not saying i believe in reincarnation, but it's an interesting thing to think about.
Dma378
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I would say the opposite. I think the bible is the greatest case for atheism in existence. I've read it twice. Front to back. New American version and the King James. The contradictions, everything disproven by actual science, the illogical stories and the obviously made up stuff to fill the gaps are all too much for me to believe in. If someone wants to believe more than anything, they will believe. If someone reads objectively to learn they will see it in a different light. Just the mere idea that a God that would create this universe, solar system, planet and everything on it needs us to worship him. That is our sole purpose and apparently his too. Worship or burn....because he loves you?? Burn in another dimension, another realm, where the evil demon Satan will watch over you for eternity. Or go to heaven and worship God for eternity over and over and over worshipping. But it's great.
The bible teaches of how to treat your slaves, how to beat them properly, how to sell your daughter, how to beat your wife properly. It's wild. Obviously the words of primitive men. Who created a god in their own image.
LiftWithDonuts
Well-known member
Tbh I'd rather not speculate on what happens after the new born dies but rather curing what killed the child in the first place.
But in terms of reincarnation, one thing that I've always "believed" in is karma, I could totally see karma being linked with some form of reincarnation. I don't believe that any book ever written has it all right, or any interpretation has it all right. I think honestly that if while we're alive we do right by each other and treat each other how we would treat each other as if we happened to be in heaven then the world would be a much much better place not only for us but for the longevity of mankind
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thebigt
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I am not worthy of judging GOD. I just have to trust in his plan for us.
muscleupcrohn
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I believe in karma as well, which fits well with reincarnation. I actually know (knew, unfortunately he recently died) someone who spent a great deal of time studying Christianity, but also spent years in India with some of the great gurus. He believed in reincarnation. In all honestly, none of us will lean even a minutia of what's out there, or lessons, even if we live to 100. Is anyone really deserving of eternal happiness of eternal damnation after one short lifetime?
Also, I'm not sure if it's a legit quote, but I like it:
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thebigt
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muscleupcrohn
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I laughed at this:
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hairygrandpa
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muscleupcrohn
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I agree that organized religion has done more harm than good MANY times (often due to intentional perversion and abuse by leaders and people in positions of authority), but individual spirituality and/or a relationship with God is a good thing, and some Churches, although perhaps not "The Church" as a whole, promote this healthy mindset where questioning and analysis are vital components of understanding God.
LiftWithDonuts
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Was gonna write a long thing, but if you believe in God, and aren't judging other people and oppressing due to your belief, more power to you
muscleupcrohn
Legend
This. In reality, everyone judges, but if anyone should make efforts to not judge, it would be Christians, no? Wasn't Jesus all about not judging others?
thebigt
Legend
thank you, I appreciate that.
Dma378
Legend
And I get too worked up over this shiit. In need to unsub for a while again. You know I'm not trying to insult you personally T, I insult everybody equally ok.
But I will leave this last thing, if Clinton gets elected, it's because God wanted it that way and everyone should trust that it is how it should be.
thebigt
Legend
I absolutely agree, it was the liberalism of my generation in the 60's and 70's that is responsible for where we are....we thought we were going to change the world for better and look how things turned out.....history keeps repeating itself because we don't learn from our mistakes.
thebigt
Legend
And I get too worked up over this shiit. In need to unsub for a while again. You know I'm not trying to insult you personally T, I insult everybody equally ok.
But I will leave this last thing, if Clinton gets elected, it's because God wanted it that way and everyone should trust that it is how it should be.
lol...GOD gave mankind free will to make choices for ourselves, rather it be for good or bad...
we are good, no problem!!!
Socalmk6gti
Active member
This is so sad.
If you don't mind, I will add you to my prayers and ask that God open your heart to allow the possibility of His love. I can only hope and pray you get to see His glory and grace in your life as I have seen Him work in mine.
youngandfree
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Everyone dies at some point. Nobody lives forever. Including all the innocent people and the evil ones. There's no getting around that.
youngandfree
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Misfit28
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Unless you magically get resurrected!
Misfit28
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I hate that crap the most. I don't know why most Christians feel the need to be smug and say that they will "pray for you". That is such BS. That smug condescension that their way is the only way, and you are a lost sheep crap is f'ing annoying.
Socalmk6gti
Active member
You're absolutely correct. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. The only way to Heaven is through Him. So yes, I will pray for those who have not been introduced to Him or have been lead astray.
Piston Honda
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3 major religions believe that God has spoken to their prophets and that their beliefs are the true way. Either 2 of them are wrong, or more probably, all of them are.
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Piston Honda
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halfahardon
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How about this, at my gym men and women pay the exact same membership dues $$ there is a large area off to the side full of all the same machines, benches, dumbells and squat racks. But that area is for women only (men willed be kicked out). But yet these same women can come over to the men's area and hold up a squat rack to do curls or any of the machines while they do some superset circuit and there's nothing the men can do about it! Is this fair? ?
B5150
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Phallus
Gutterpump
Banned
Yup exactly. I do believe in God but I do not believe anyone needs to follow a book written by man (claimed to be the living word of God) in order to live a good life or be spiritual.
Nobody is getting damned for not following a book. This is man's ego and folly that dictates this.
Gutterpump
Banned
Back on the topic of America, let's look at how killing black children has been an American Tradition in order to preserve white supremacy.
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thebigt
Legend
why not accept it as someone doing something nice for you? that is the spirit in which it is intended....
lol...life is too short to let yourself get annoyed and worked up over someone saying they will pray for you, I can think of many, many, better things to get annoyed and worked up over.
Misfit28
Well-known member
I understand your point, but that is from your perspective.
I see it as someone knowing that I am not a believer and still hoping that I choose to believe as they do. I see it as a form proselyization. In fact, I see it as someone praying to a higher power to intervene on my free will. That being said, I highly doubt an intervention by said power will actually occur.
B5150
Legend
if you believe in God what about him do you believe? Where do you get that information from?
If you follow God what lead or example do you follow? Where do you get that lead or example?
thebigt
Legend
lol...I don't think one prayer will be enough for you....but I aint mad at you over it, I used to feel the same way once!!!
from now on I will pray for you, but not tell you!!!