Does Havoc Aromatise secretly or not!!!

[monsterbox]

Everyone says havoc is a great "dry" steroid and will reduce gyno because of its anti-e affects. Others say its SERM like...

I've experienced tons of quirky things on havoc that beg the differ.

I'm 5'7'' 12% BF 200lbs and generally have low e2, I also have a very low SHBG so i'm sensative to any affects of any hormone.



1. First 2 cycles of havoc a few years back, I gained substantial mass, but noticed around weeks 2-3 I got extremely dry. My eyes were even dry. My bones and joints ached. However, it seemed that some points of the day I was really bloated and opposite.....................

2. My lastest cycle, I ran it with my now TRT regime, AKA testosterone base. This time around I noticed when taking havoc, I would NOT dry up, but instead swell up like dbol and get strong, and cushiony. My joints felt AMAZING. My libido would SKY rocket on havoc...but when the half-life wore off, my libido would tank below normal...i would get super water retentive and feel like sh*t with headahces, heart poundin and high BP.


SO, my friends!

I hypothesize that RPN Havoc, Epithio's or whatever, they are NOT AI's by any means. They may block estrogen receptos during the active life of the compound, but they certainly rebound within the same dosing days. So, in conclusion, all the dryness you guys are experiencing is probably from your natural testosterone production shutting down which is leading to lack of estrogen.

Moral of the story: The dryness is an IN-direct effect. Be careful, have an AI on hand, and SPACE OUT your dosages evenly.


Who else experiencing rebounds/bloating/fullness on havoc? I wish I had blood tests to verify the affect. I can't decide if I should stick to my theory and up the crap out of my AI next time I run havoc or not.

 

[dsade]

You know the whole "adding testosterone base" throws everything out the window, right?

Havoc is NOT an Aromatase inhibitor by any means, nor was it ever advertise as a SERM/straight ANTI-estrogen, but as a dry, non-estrogenic compound.

Test base is NONE of these and notorious for aromatizing.

 

[Young Gotti]

i did an epistane run but had no sides...one time i dosed alittle late and didn't sleep that night though

but with the short half life i thought during the cycle why hey couldn't make epi in 5mg instead...give the user alittle more flexability so what ur saying doesn't happen and might be able to creep 5mg in alittle later so sleep issues don't happen and ur still covered

 

[monsterbox]

You know the whole "adding testosterone base" throws everything out the window, right?

Havoc is NOT an Aromatase inhibitor by any means, nor was it ever advertise as a SERM/straight ANTI-estrogen, but as a dry, non-estrogenic compound.

Test base is NONE of these and notorious for aromatizing.

LOL whoops;

I meant to clear that up.

I've been on test for a year so far with .25mg Adex twice per week. My e2 averages in the low teens.

So, stacking havoc on top, caused me to need to ADD more arimidex.

So this means its not the testosterone base that was aromatizing, it was the havoc itself either aromatizing, or lowering my SHBG further which was in turn free up me of the T, causing more aromatase..

Im not claiming havoc is either. I'm just saying that MANY people, think that havoc is okay to add to a cycle to "dry" it up. Or rely on havoc as a gyno reducer. They expect havoc to be clear cut estrogen reducing. Its not.