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Do PH makers test their PH batches anymore? Verification?

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StellaArtois

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I recall when CEL sold PH they would have batch numbers on the bottom of the bottles and test results you could look up by batch number verifying the pro-hormone being sold and you were ingesting were in fact correct. Do the current companies do this as well? Links? Thanks.
 
Right anyone can switch the contents, however to go out of your way to switch the contents of the product being tested would be dispicable and would probably take as much effort as testing the real contents. Users can also do a follow up check to ensure what your getting was what was on the label. I recall people doing this before, vouching CEL products were indeed what they claimed was on the label. I love all the marketing and colorful labels and it seems most of the products that disappeared for a while are back however I thought I ask. Can you imagine if a company was pushing a PH that was something else and a user tested it and it wasn't what it claimed. I'd think they'd be done until they rebranded themself.
 
Few companies do test their PH's.

Posting lab results doesn't tell much though.

CEL published a "lab test result" of their H-Drol and it stated +99% purity. Well, many of us know better... This industry has never seen +99% pure H-Drol clones.

Some companies also publish GC test results but they are pretty much worthless without MS test results.
 
Few companies do test their PH's.

Posting lab results doesn't tell much though.

CEL published a "lab test result" of their H-Drol and it stated +99% purity. Well, many of us know better... This industry has never seen +99% pure H-Drol clones.

Some companies also publish GC test results but they are pretty much worthless without MS test results.
 
RH2012 said:
yeah exactly, it could be 5% of the claimed product and 95% bs.
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I'm starting to think my last run with dynamic formulas may have been a case of this. Their msten was good, hdrol ehhh it was ok at first but it felt weak, I ran it at 75-100 and it was way weaker than my last hdrol cycle.
 
RH2012 said:
i ran their epi twice. it was different than the iron flex i'm on now. had alot of bloat on it. practically none on ironflex, idk. but the second bottle of dynamic that i took a year ago had 20 or so unfilled caps in it. like 70% filled. a couple was practically empty. i emailed them about it and they ignored me. F'em, i avoid their sh1t now.
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I just got 4 bottles of tren stane in the mail. So I will soon get to try ironflex epi soon because that's an epi tren stack. And yeah I remember hearing about that. dynamic isn't my favorite company. I'm seriously pumped to try ironflex tho. What dosage of there epi are you on compared to when you ran dynamic?
 
RH2012 said:
well the ironflex epi xtreme i got was on egay, lol and i haven't seen it anywhere else. 10mg per cap. bigcatt has 2 bottles for 39.99 shipped. its legit too. started at 40 and went to 50 after 4 weeks. stacked with dbol ,lol, hell yeah. and i've blowed up like a house.
i always did 45mg of the dynamic. idk the half life of epi seems kinda short so i actually prefer the 10mg caps. however idk if it really matters. i took the dbol at 10mg 3 times a day and got raging gyno and stopped it. i reintroduced it into the cycle after a couple of weeks at 30mg taken all at once and no gyno and actually better results. this is like comparing apples and oranges though i guess.
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Epi xtreme? Lol it's called brawn now. I'm gonna do the same dosing of epi stacked with tren instead, I guess we'll see what happens. Why would you reintroduce dbol in the cycle after it gave you raging tits in the SAME cycle? Lol jw
 
reps4jesus said:
Epi xtreme? Lol it's called brawn now. I'm gonna do the same dosing of epi stacked with tren instead, I guess we'll see what happens. Why would you reintroduce dbol in the cycle after it gave you raging tits in the SAME cycle? Lol jw
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I think he was talking about Iron Labs Epi Xtreme. It was a good clone but it's discontinued now.
 
How about companys that claim they get their raws tested but fail always when asked them to be seen?
Theres only 2 companies at the moment i fully trust.at least they go on their way and publicly post the results, personally i think all this talk about "it doesnt prove a thing or anybody can fake them" is mostly done by people connected to companies that don't do **** about proving their products quality.
ps: gOhard...this is not directed to you but in general :)
 
jaakonpallo said:
How about companys that claim they get their raws tested but fail always when asked them to be seen?
Theres only 2 companies at the moment i fully trust.at least they go on their way and publicly post the results, personally i think all this talk about "it doesnt prove a thing or anybody can fake them" is mostly done by people connected to companies that don't do **** about proving their products quality.
ps: gOhard...this is not directed to you but in general :)
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Which companies are you referring to? I mean, which companies do you trust? I guess Celtic Labs and LGI?

I've never ​seen any companies publishing lab test results the way they should be published.
 
Based on what I've read I would lean towards trusting lgi and Celtic. But then again I don't have any empirical data to prove this just purely of what I've read. Celtic works with PA? I guess that brings up a good point, your opinions on who trust...I don't know if I just order something random from EBay, but then again I'm too much of a puss to raw dog it with someone I just met the same night. :)
 
PA does not work with Celtic, at least not in a direct way. From what i've heard and i have no reason to doubdt them is that they send every patch for him to tested. I'm sure he gets paid testing their raws...BA's prob pissed off many enough that if he would release bunk they'd be all over him(competition).
 
jaakonpallo said:
PA does not work with Celtic, at least not in a direct way. From what i've heard and i have no reason to doubdt them is that they send every patch for him to tested. I'm sure he gets paid testing their raws...BA's prob pissed off many enough that if he would release bunk they'd be all over him(competition).
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BA is the only one who wants to test competitor's products, lol...
 
You could send a cap, of ANY PH or supp to PA, i think for 100bucks, he will test it...
Celtic has had "most" of their PH's gone thru tests with Pat, but...who knows what you actually get in a pretty labeled bottle months later... :)
 
And henryv works with iron legions, so what lol (not really sure If he does still) it doesn't matter what smart guy works with them. people are saying use lgi and these other brands because they have proved themselves.
 
It's nice to have transparency, but it's a huge pain in the ass to deliver lab tests to every person that wants them, whenever they want them.
 
RH2012 said:
i personally dont care if a product is pure or not, as long as it has the advertised amount of the compound i'm buying, and not contaminated with heavy metals or left-over reagents that are possibly toxic.
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So the rest is just filler correct? I guess they left that out of the epi you got from dynamic formulas lol there is a chance you still got all 15mg of epi in there or close to it and they left out the filler of some caps, that could explain the half filled caps. Or they just screwed you ;) lol
 
RH2012 said:
yeah, those caps contain approximately 300mg of powder and are supposed to contain 15mg of epistane. the rest is filler. the contract manufacturer just f*cked up the caps. i'm sure its pretty common, but most of the companies have enough sense to use white caps instead of clear one like dynamic. but the manufacturer is putting a designated mixture in the caps and if they are not filled , you are getting f*cked most likely. either way, its half *ssed to say the least. poor quality control.
if a person doesn't want the filler, the only option is a liquid delivery system or a gell cap. pure powders are available and i'm considering bringing this type of product to market on a small scale. we'll see......
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That's be awesome, I'd buy. As long as you had an option to pre cap the raw powders cuz I ain't got no time fo that!
I like the idea of no fillers.
 
jason267 said:
You could send a cap, of ANY PH or supp to PA, i think for 100bucks, he will test it...Celtic has had "most" of their PH's gone thru tests with Pat, but...who knows what you actually get in a pretty labeled bottle months later... :)
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Celtic Labs has every batch tested. The most recent batch of trestolone:Invalid Link Removed
fasttaker said:
You really thing Celtic Labs Trestobol is pure trestolone?
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See above for that.
 
Thank you for posting that.
Iron Legion used to have testing results at their site(just like Antaeus Labs did) but recently i've not seen them do that, it's pretty stripped down and has only products pictures and names and info about resellers now days.
How ever i'm confident given they people working behind that company that everything gets tested and is what says on the bottle
 
g0hard: Yeah, well hopefully some one from IL chimes in about that.

Makes me wonder though about other companies who can't even put up results like BBG posted, even after claiming they test them lol.
Meaning if something like that is "worthless" do they have more legit ones then?
To answer my own question: no. but that won't stop them using that claim when marketing a product.
 
g0hardorgohom said:
I think the reason may be the fact that they already discontinued all their oral designers.To BigBlackGuy: I don't say that Trestobol is not good (I've used it by myself with good results) but lab test like that one doesn't prove anything.The testing method is called GC/MS (gas chromatography/mass spectrometry) test. That chart is only the GC part and without MS part it's pretty much worthless. Just sayin', don't want to stir up anything and I'm definitely not calling anyone out :) Many forum members don't know anything about testing and they believe everything they see. Here is a simple example:Invalid Link Removed"CoA" of CEL H-Drol. It states 99%+ purity and many believed it. Nowadays we know that it wasn't even close to that pure.Just educating other board members here :)
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I totally understand. Patrick Arnold (PA) usually doesn't even send the test results. He just emails saying "Okay" or "Not Okay".I thank you for the information as I'm sure everyone else does! You should do a post on it for the general forum :)
jaakonpallo said:
g0hard: Yeah, well hopefully some one from IL chimes in about that.Makes me wonder though about other companies who can't even put up results like BBG posted, even after claiming they test them lol.Meaning if something like that is "worthless" do they have more legit ones then?To answer my own question: no. but that won't stop them using that claim when marketing a product.
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I agree with you jaakonpallo, Iron Legion is solid... I have zero doubts they are supplying exactly what they say. The guy who runs it is absolutely a stand up guy. I've ordered bulk powders from them and they've always supplied me with the test results showing high purity levels.That said, you won't find almost any other companies that do testing and can readily show you the test results. Even we usually don't have the test papers, as I stated above, it's usually just an email saying the raw powder is Okay or Not Okay.
 
I agree, Iron Legion is definitely good to go. One of the best companies in the business.

I ran their Triumphalis a while ago as a part of my meet prep stack and it was nice at 45mg/day. Pretty much like a milder version of Epi but I think it was a bit better as a nutrient partitioner. It's a shame that they discontinued it but I'm sure that many companies will bring their methyldiazirinol clones to the market soon.
 
g0hardorgohom said:
I agree, Iron Legion is definitely good to go. One of the best companies in the business.I ran their Triumphalis a while ago as a part of my meet prep stack and it was nice at 45mg/day. Pretty much like a milder version of Epi but I think it was a bit better as a nutrient partitioner. It's a shame that they discontinued it but I'm sure that many companies will bring their methyldiazirinol clones to the market soon.
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Celtic labs is definitely going to carrying this soon. Probably after our stock of triumphalis is gone.
 
BBG you almost make it sound like i was the one questioning Iron Legion. If you go back you can read that it was one of the 2 companies fully trust other being Celtic
 
jaakonpallo said:
BBG you almost make it sound like i was the one questioning Iron Legion. If you go back you can read that it was one of the 2 companies fully trust other being Celtic
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Fixed it. Didn't mean to imply that.
 
Everything is possible...my mail man could open a shipment and change whats in the bottle...or retailer could change labels and sell you multivitamins lol...no one's saying those prove anything 100%.
Just remember..when a company claims they have the purest ******** pharmaceutical grade available that's tested for purity they are usually talking out of their ass and got nothing to back it up...;)
I'm amazed how many people usually believe THAT.
 
RH2012 said:
i know what your sayin,
i'm completely puzzled as to how anyone could think that these type of results prove anything. anyone can copy and paste that on their site and claim that its their test results or just create their own.
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Yeah, but, those aren't fake results. Those are real results from a real test... I know what you're saying, but anyone can do a quick Google search and see our products work.

We've even STOPPED SELLING boladrol because our source wouldn't make the powder anymore. And it was a BIG seller. We could have faked it and just put in some other compound... but no we just stopped selling it.

We've delayed products because the test results don't come out well and we need to get new powder. We delay profits in favor of a quality product.
 
jaakonpallo said:
Iron Legion used to have testing results at their site(just like Antaeus Labs did) but recently i've not seen them do that, it's pretty stripped down and has only products pictures and names and info about resellers now days.
How ever i'm confident given they people working behind that company that everything gets tested and is what says on the bottle
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If you ever want to see them just ask.
 
BigBlackGuy said:
Yeah, but, those aren't fake results. Those are real results from a real test... I know what you're saying, but anyone can do a quick Google search and see our products work.

We've even STOPPED SELLING boladrol because our source wouldn't make the powder anymore. And it was a BIG seller. We could have faked it and just put in some other compound... but no we just stopped selling it.

We've delayed products because the test results don't come out well and we need to get new powder. We delay profits in favor of a quality product.
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Are you a rep for Phf or Celtic?
 
g0hardorgohom said:
Few companies do test their PH's.

Posting lab results doesn't tell much though.

CEL published a "lab test result" of their H-Drol and it stated +99% purity. Well, many of us know better... This industry has never seen +99% pure H-Drol clones.

Some companies also publish GC test results but they are pretty much worthless without MS test results.
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I would put CEL products up against ANY other PH company anytime.....including Olympus. So are you say a DEA certified facility fabricated results and they weren't 99%? The lab results CEL published was a summary without the data og GC/MS. PA tested all of our raws prior to production then an independent lab tested them for quality and quantity post product~~ name one other company that does that, just one
 
g0hardorgohom said:
Few companies do test their PH's.

Posting lab results doesn't tell much though.

CEL published a "lab test result" of their H-Drol and it stated +99% purity. Well, many of us know better... This industry has never seen +99% pure H-Drol clones.

Some companies also publish GC test results but they are pretty much worthless without MS test results.
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g0hardorgohom said:
I think the reason may be the fact that they already discontinued all their oral designers.

To BigBlackGuy: I don't say that Trestobol is not good (I've used it by myself with good results) but lab test like that one doesn't prove anything.

The testing method is called GC/MS (gas chromatography/mass spectrometry) test. That chart is only the GC part and without MS part it's pretty much worthless. Just sayin', don't want to stir up anything and I'm definitely not calling anyone out :) Many forum members don't know anything about testing and they believe everything they see. Here is a simple example:

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"CoA" of CEL H-Drol. It states 99%+ purity and many believed it. Nowadays we know that it wasn't even close to that pure.

Just educating other board members here :)
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So you are making a statement that CEL's was under 99%?
 
mw1 said:
I would put CEL products up against ANY other PH company anytime.....including Olympus. So are you say a DEA certified facility fabricated results and they weren't 99%? The lab results CEL published was a summary without the data og GC/MS. PA tested all of our raws prior to production then an independent lab tested them for quality and quantity post product~~ name one other company that does that, just one
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Go hard bro ;) lol I'd love to see cel test results up against others.
-only thing is it is hard to believe %99 purity on hdrol. But hey, anythings possible.
 
reps4jesus said:
Go hard bro ;) lol I'd love to see cel test results up against others.
-only thing is it is hard to believe %99 purity on hdrol. But hey, anythings possible.
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Why do you find it hard to believe? Maybe today its hard to believe cause their are now hundreds of Chinese suppliers looking to rip companies.
Cel did not put anything out that they were not certain of- the Me A was one in particular that took over 2 years to find legit raws and to this day there has not been another company make a solo M1A with the results of AlphaOne.
 
mw1 said:
Why do you find it hard to believe? Maybe today its hard to believe cause their are now hundreds of Chinese suppliers looking to rip companies.
Cel did not put anything out that they were not certain of- the Me A was one in particular that took over 2 years to find legit raws and to this day there has not been another company make a solo M1A with the results of AlphaOne.
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Point taken, its just sooo many hdrol clones seem underdosed.
Is m1a still available?
 
reps4jesus said:
Point taken, its just sooo many hdrol clones seem underdosed.
Is m1a still available?
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I know of only one other company selling it as a solo right now. Companies like to put it in with a 2 or 3 compound ph to ensure customers see results. M1A is a mofo and hits you hard and quick
 
mw1 said:
Why do you find it hard to believe? Maybe today its hard to believe cause their are now hundreds of Chinese suppliers looking to rip companies.
Cel did not put anything out that they were not certain of- the Me A was one in particular that took over 2 years to find legit raws and to this day there has not been another company make a solo M1A with the results of AlphaOne.
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I loved CEL products!

LGI brought back a pure M1A and proved it. So I wouldn't say that.
It was then 5+ companies came out with ****ty M1A products. haha

There are a lot of companies shooting for furuza now as well. Two recent tested 0% pure!
Amazing the things you see when looking for purity and impurities of the semi pure products.
 
mw1 said:
I know of only one other company selling it as a solo right now. Companies like to put it in with a 2 or 3 compound ph to ensure customers see results. M1A is a mofo and hits you hard and quick
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Like sdmz3. Lgi is the only one selling solo I thought
 
mw1 said:
I would put CEL products up against ANY other PH company anytime.....including Olympus. So are you say a DEA certified facility fabricated results and they weren't 99%? The lab results CEL published was a summary without the data og GC/MS. PA tested all of our raws prior to production then an independent lab tested them for quality and quantity post product~~ name one other company that does that, just one
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I shouldn't have mentioned any specific brands and I already deleted my post. Again, I'm not trying to stir up anything :)

I don't say it wasn't 99% pure but I know that current H-Drol clones are not that pure (read the rest of my post). Yeah, suppliers could probably make it that pure but it would likely be very expensive. The following lines are copied from another site:

Though the nomenclature found on H-Drol bottles says 4-chloro-17a methyl-androst 1,4-diene-3,17b-diol, the 3-hydroxyl is not planar; it must be either a 3b-hydroxyl or a 3a-hydroxyl. In truth commercial H-Drol clones contain a mixture of 3a- and 3b-hydroxylated stereoisomers, due to the production process. Typically halodrol is made from oral turinabol using reducing agents such as sodium borohydride. The reaction method determines the ratio of isomers produced – which can be anywhere from 50:50 to 95:5 in favour of the 3b-ol.

EDIT: I loved CEL products as well. CEL and RPN were the first brands I ever used. CEL D-Plex was the bomb!
 
RH2012 said:
i ran their epi twice. it was different than the iron flex i'm on now. had alot of bloat on it. practically none on ironflex, idk. but the second bottle of dynamic that i took a year ago had 20 or so unfilled caps in it. like 70% filled. a couple was practically empty. i emailed them about it and they ignored me. F'em, i avoid their sh1t now.
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reps4jesus said:
I just got 4 bottles of tren stane in the mail. So I will soon get to try ironflex epi soon because that's an epi tren stack. And yeah I remember hearing about that. dynamic isn't my favorite company. I'm seriously pumped to try ironflex tho. What dosage of there epi are you on compared to when you ran dynamic?
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RH2012 said:
2 BOTTLES OF EPI-XTREME BY IRONFLEX!!! SAME AS RPN HAVOC AND IBE EPISTANE <img src="http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=99050"/> thats the listing. it says ironflex on the bottle and its definitely legit. it is the same guy that sold iron labs epi though so idk??
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iron labs and iron flex have no correlation (to my knowledge)

Look at day der support.
 
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