Do Not use an AI after a superdrol cycle?

[jmh80]

Re: Do Not use an AI after a superdrol cycle? For Doctor D and others

You ever heard of "not attracting attention"?????

SD is a steroid - plain and simple.
You need a PCT.

I used SD and did a PCT with nolva. No gyno.

Read more - don't generalize after reading 3 threads.

 

[ripped218]

Re: Do Not use an AI after a superdrol cycle? For Doctor D and others

I'm not giving advice I am simply looking for personal answers.

DOES ANYONE SEE 'ANABOLIC EXTREME' RECOMMENDING PCT FOR SUPERDROL ANYWERE?

Tell me were it says that and I will do the PCT THEY recommend.

Mr. Methyl ,reread what i said ,go to the anabolic xtreme section of this board and go to the thread ,SUPERDROL FOR DUMMIES.:wtf:

 

[Mr. Methyl]

Re: Do Not use an AI after a superdrol cycle? For Doctor D and others

Okay, I see, they are saying use pharmaceautical PCT. Which would be a sign that its a more effective compound in itself.

That's were I was confused.

I sincerly thank you for setting me straight people.

 

[ripped218]

Re: Do Not use an AI after a superdrol cycle? For Doctor D and others

Okay, I see, they are saying use pharmaceautical PCT. Which would be a sign that its a more effective compound in itself.

That's were I was confused.

I sincerly thank you for setting me straight people.

No problem man,just want to make sure you take care of your health first.:hammer:

 

[Mr. Methyl]

Re: Do Not use an AI after a superdrol cycle? For Doctor D and others

Thanks again, very, very much.

I am still a long way away from starting and I'm trying to get as many answers as possible.

 

[Mr. Methyl]

Re: Do Not use an AI after a superdrol cycle? For Doctor D and others

Keep in mind that there are at least 2 people out of 55 posts who have gotten GYNO from this stuff.

That's the only reason that I was thinking that there is something weird going on with Superdrol.

And there are a lot of other people on other sites who are getting GYNO from this stuff too.

Sorry if I offended anyone. I am here to learn and help whenever I can.

 

[bioman]

Re: Do Not use an AI after a superdrol cycle? For Doctor D and others

No problem, Methyl, thanks for keeping it civil despite our ribbing you.

The gyno issue from SD is not from a long half life, rather it probably has more to do with the fact that it is a progestin based compound. Yes, it has a mild anti estrogen effect, but that in no way precludes the use of a proper PCT..you just probably wouldn't want to bother with an AI like letro unless puffy nipples manifest themselves. Nolva is still recommended though.

A large amount of progestin, in the presence of even a small amount of estrogen can cause gyno or gyno like symptoms. A progestin-like metabolite of SD may be hanging around just long enough so that when an estrogen rebound effect happens during PCT, however mild, it is aggrevated by the progestin. OR the gyno gets it start from the SD itself on cycle and when estrogen levels rise back to normal or slightly higher..poof the gyno expands and aches and the user notices it.

Either way..use a proper PCT. SD is very suppressive, it will lower cholesterol levels sharply and raise liver values. Blood pressure should be monitored on cycle. This stuff is quite potent..do not underestimate it or you do so at your own peril.

 

[ripped218]

Re: Do Not use an AI after a superdrol cycle? For Doctor D and others

No problem, Methyl, thanks for keeping it civil despite our ribbing you.

The gyno issue from SD is not from a long half life, rather it probably has more to do with the fact that it is a progestin based compound. Yes, it has a mild anti estrogen effect, but that in no way precludes the use of a proper PCT..you just probably wouldn't want to bother with an AI like letro unless puffy nipples manifest themselves. Nolva is still recommended though.

A large amount of progestin, in the presence of even a small amount of estrogen can cause gyno or gyno like symptoms. A progestin-like metabolite of SD may be hanging around just long enough so that when an estrogen rebound effect happens during PCT, however mild, it is aggrevated by the progestin. OR the gyno gets it start from the SD itself on cycle and when estrogen levels rise back to normal or slightly higher..poof the gyno expands and aches and the user notices it.

Either way..use a proper PCT. SD is very suppressive, it will lower cholesterol levels sharply and raise liver values. Blood pressure should be monitored on cycle. This stuff is quite potent..do not underestimate it or you do so at your own peril.

:goodpost:

 

[DR.D]

Re: Do Not use an AI after a superdrol cycle? For Doctor D and others

... This isn't a real steroid, and it is altered in a way that in all likelyhood is designed to be used without PCT, for the recreational bodybuilder ...

Methyl! I don't know where to start man. Yes, SD is designed to be somewhat fool proof, but if you don't do a real PCT, at least take some fenugreek post cycle and keep your on time to 3-4 wks only. I alpha tested SD in the Summer of 2004 and have used it several times after too. I know it very well. If you need the lowdown, feel free to ask.

 

[DmitryWI]

Re: Do Not use an AI after a superdrol cycle? For Doctor D and others

Mr. Methyl, next time you have a thought... let it go.

 

[dtrain13]

Re: Do Not use an AI after a superdrol cycle? For Doctor D and others

Chances are that I will not be doing a PCT after Superdrol. It simply does not say anything about PCT on the bottle. This isn't a real steroid, and it is altered in a way that in all likelyhood is designed to be used without PCT, for the recreational bodybuilder.

On the other hand I have some Methyl Masterdrol and some Methyl 1-A and it says to do a PCT, so of course I will do a PCT with those. (if I choose to do them) But, I will only be using what they recommend. IF I have problems the doctor will help me out with some clomid or HCG or whatever.

I believe that superdrol has an anti estrogen, and it is not a good product to be used with other prohormones/prosteroids. Possibly not for 6 months.

On top of that, there is a good chance I will use superdrol, and never use another prohormone again. I believe that this drug stays active in your system for a long time after you stop taking it, in some form or another.

If I get a gain of 15-20 lbs. and retain a solid 12-14 lbs. post cycle I will be damn happy, and provided my bloodwork is okay I will do nothing.

I am no expert and I am only going on second hand information and instinct here. PCT drugs are not something I want to play around with.

Plus, from what I have seen all you can get out of prohormones/prosteroids is 15-20 lbs. of muscle, and that is it. Its very foolish to continue to do one cycle after another of these drugs, because they are very toxic, and have unknown effects. Especially when more then one of these drugs is in the system at once.

I have yet to hear of anyone making gains of more then 15-20 lbs. in thier first cycle and then doing a second cycle were they gained any size at all.

Why not just do one cycle, gain 10-20 lbs. (and be thankful) and then move on to real steroids?

:icon_lol:

 

[jmh80]

Re: Do Not use an AI after a superdrol cycle? For Doctor D and others

DTrain - I love your quote of the 3rd law.

 

[DmitryWI]

Re: Do Not use an AI after a superdrol cycle? For Doctor D and others

Jmh80, I like your avatar, I was watching that show and when she walked on stage in swimming suit my jaw dropped.
I said that's she's gonna be a miss USA or I'll kill all the judges. She won, so I left judges alive.

 

[DR.D]

Re: Do Not use an AI after a superdrol cycle? For Doctor D and others

DTrain - I love your quote of the 3rd law.

I love it too! These good forums are also a testimony to the Anthropic Principle. Life is privileged and our anabolism is a blessing that shows it. Life excels in spite of the Second law. Actually, the Second law does seem to apply to some guys like Methyl (lol), but he's learned more now and I bet he'll be straight by the time he starts his cycle.

 

[jmh80]

Re: Do Not use an AI after a superdrol cycle? For Doctor D and others

The 2nd law is my house.

The damn place only gets messier and messier and messier....
In spite of my best efforts to clean.

Dim - her abs are freaking awesome! That really does it for me. Forget everything else that she has that is perfect - the abs made her my new Av.

I don't think she realizes what an honor that is.
Forget Miss USA - Jmh80's avatar is a bigger prize!

 

[Mr. Methyl]

Re: Do Not use an AI after a superdrol cycle? For Doctor D and others

Dr. D;

I would send you a personal message, but this is like my 3rd post so I don't have that priveledge.

Thanks for posting good info.

Basically I was just wondering what you think of interactions between different prohormones in different cycles. Lets say I do a cycle of Superdrol for 3 weeks, then 8 weeks after that cycle ends I do a cycle of Mega-TRN. Will I get better results then I would if I just did a second cycle of Superdrol? And is there a higher risk of side effects, especially GYNO due to the fact that I am putting two different hormones in my body over a certain time frame?

 

[ripped218]

Re: Do Not use an AI after a superdrol cycle? For Doctor D and others

Dr. D;

I would send you a personal message, but this is like my 3rd post so I don't have that priveledge.

Thanks for posting good info.

Basically I was just wondering what you think of interactions between different prohormones in different cycles. Lets say I do a cycle of Superdrol for 3 weeks, then 8 weeks after that cycle ends I do a cycle of Mega-TRN. Will I get better results then I would if I just did a second cycle of Superdrol? And is there a higher risk of side effects, especially GYNO due to the fact that I am putting two different hormones in my body over a certain time frame?

If you donate 10$ to the board you will be able to use the pm function,it is definetly worth it.

 

[Mr. Methyl]

LOL. Really?

 

[ripped218]

LOL. Really?

Yeah just go click on the top right of the screen page were it says donate,then you donate through paypal,and after that go to the general chat section and post that you have donated under the thread, if you donte,and you will become a board supporter and will be able to use the pm function.

 

[DR.D]

Re: Do Not use an AI after a superdrol cycle? For Doctor D and others

Dr. D;

I would send you a personal message, but this is like my 3rd post so I don't have that priveledge.

Thanks for posting good info.

Basically I was just wondering what you think of interactions between different prohormones in different cycles. Lets say I do a cycle of Superdrol for 3 weeks, then 8 weeks after that cycle ends I do a cycle of Mega-TRN. Will I get better results then I would if I just did a second cycle of Superdrol? And is there a higher risk of side effects, especially GYNO due to the fact that I am putting two different hormones in my body over a certain time frame?

I agree with Ripped! Cough up the 10 bucks to Bobo. You can PM me at my DS email in the meantime if you need any further help.

 

[Kristofer68SS]

whats the friggin verdict.............

nobody can agree on the proper pct for SD,PP or TX..........

I think clomid, liquidex and b6 is the safest........... i know nothing though...

however, i have only advised. Never taken SD.....

Both my guinea's had no rebound. both serm and AI were tapered down for 4 weeks.

By AI, do you guys mean OTC or research?