Do most people lift too much weight when it comes to BB???

Do people lift too much weight when it comes to BB???

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pman

pman

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I see all the time where people say lift as heavy as you can but isn't that a fine line...its seems like when i back the weight down a LITTLE and concentrate on the muscle i get better results.
 
Depends on form and intensity.
 
pman said:
I see all the time where people say lift as heavy as you can but isn't that a fine line...its seems like when i back the weight down a LITTLE and concentrate on the muscle i get better results.
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I find the same problem.... I was going heavy on all my lifts for about 12-16 weeks (with one week off in between)... Most likely my form wasn't that great.. As a matter of fact, I know my form wasn't that great.... I think I was using the other 400 muscles I have just trying to do one muscle group....I didn't gain Sh**... About 12 weeks ago, I lowered the weight, concentrated on perfect form, what muscle I was exercising and noticed a big difference.... I seem to get into this rut once in a while.... Thinking it's time to switch my routine, so I'll go heavy and screw things up.
 
i think it's important to first master proper form with different exercises before packin on the plates so to speak. once you train your stabilizer muscles to handle heavier weights and perfect your form a little, then you can start loading on the weight. when you lift heavier weight with good form, you make gains. otherwise you look like a dumbass and risk hurting yourself.

particular to this question, however, i think people are under a fallacy that bodybuilding is about lifting heavy weights. this is powerlifting, not bodybuilding. bodybuilding is about meticulously developing each muscle group to create a contest-winning physique. oftentimes, there is a powerlifitng aspect to this during the OFF-season; however, most of the time you will simply want to stimulate muscle growth by acheiving a good contraction and holding it during sets. diet is also very key to this sport. heavy weights are not really an essential element of bodybuilding. but if you must go heavy be sure to have good form.
 
Thats one of the things I like about the SAIS program, it hits each area with something in the 3 sets of 6 range, 2 sets of 10 range, and 1 set of 20 range, so you get a nice mix of everything
 
Proper form, speed of the lift, intensity is all that matters.

3sec rep down, 2 sec rep up for a complete set of 8-10 should be your measuring point - no matter what the weight. If people can't use that tempo, as an average,their using too much weight.
 
I think its funny when the badasses walk in,and you can spot them right away.They just have this look like im the **** and get ready to watch me set world records.Some of them warm up(if at all)with weight thats too heavy for them,and it's obvious.They usually grunt/scream and have huge lat syndrome.It used to kind of bother me when they would be doing the same lift as me(im sure most here know what i mean)but now i just kind of enjoy it.I think no one would ever guess you worked out but everyone knows i work out........so fuq i went back and edited this because this site turned my **** into ****,do they do this some times?lets see **** you you ****ing ****
 
Hank Vangut said:
"Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder, but don't nobody wanna lift no heavy-ass weight!" - Ronnie Colman
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exactly.. want to get big? lift big and eat big. you wont ever be huge unless you lift heavy.

with that said, you do need to periodize and deload every once in a while.
 
PreMier said:
exactly.. want to get big? lift big and eat big. you wont ever be huge unless you lift heavy.

with that said, you do need to periodize and deload every once in a while.
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and use proper form.if you have ever welded you learn that the puddle will "tell" you if you're doing it right.when lifting,the muscle will "tell" you.If you can feel it being stretched but more importantly,contracting,you my friend,are using proper form.the guys that look like **** but lift heavy do not use proper form,(hence,they look like ****),so to be "big and macho"they load weight thats impossible to use proper form with.Heavy lifting is good to increase strength which will lead to size when you swallow your ego and do a bit higher reps with proper form.Ask a pro bb, icluding ronnie coleman,what their avg rep range is.I promise it wont be arch your back,squirm like a worm 1-3
 
and its also not for 2 inch range of motion. God I hate that on the leg press, when some guy with thighs the size of my calves loads all the plates he can fit on the leg press, then huffing and puffing cranks out 6 reps with so little range of motion he doesn't need to unlock the sled.
 
EasyEJL said:
and its also not for 2 inch range of motion. God I hate that on the leg press, when some guy with thighs the size of my calves loads all the plates he can fit on the leg press, then huffing and puffing cranks out 6 reps with so little range of motion he doesn't need to unlock the sled.
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same with barbell squats lol

anyone who does sh*t like this is known as being in an exclusive club called Team Partial (the d*ckhead club)
 
I sq ass to grass and get comments and stares all the time.I dont know if it's worse to see guys with too much weight doing partial sq's,or guys with not enough weight doing partial reps.Their whole wo looks like a half assed warm up.Theirs only one person at my gym that i've seen doing deep sq's,it's a liitle small petite perky milf.I just want to lay underneath...........................now it's time for some porn
 
pantera101 said:
I sq ass to grass and get comments and stares all the time.I dont know if it's worse to see guys with too much weight doing partial sq's,or guys with not enough weight doing partial reps.Their whole wo looks like a half assed warm up.Theirs only one person at my gym that i've seen doing deep sq's,it's a liitle small petite perky milf.I just want to lay underneath...........................now it's time for some porn
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HAHAHA! It's hilarious how the Macho mofo's do partials and the Milf's are going all the way down. The irony kills me :icon_lol:
 
It's 'body-building', not 'part-perfecting'.

Isolating muscle groups is fine & worthwhile, but realistically, it's finish work & should follow the establishment of a solid, strong, integrated physique - which is what compound lifts and general fitness training is all about.
 
BodyWizard said:
It's 'body-building', not 'part-perfecting'.

Isolating muscle groups is fine & worthwhile, but realistically, it's finish work & should follow the establishment of a solid, strong, integrated physique - which is what compound lifts and general fitness training is all about.
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:think:
 
This is one of the most contraversial issues in weightlifting that gets thrown around a lot. Should you lift to failure? should you leave some reps in the hole? I mean you got strength coaches like waterbury who say training to failure specifically on compound lifts is too stressful on the central nervous system. Then, you got guys like Poliquin who say training to failure is one of the best ways to grow. So who's advice do you take? I think there's too many variables to consider (volume, frequency, load, intensity), but a combination of both styles of lifting will result in some great gains
 
Is it not possible to lift heavy and maintain proper form.
For instance if I can knock out 6 reps of 250 on bench using somewhat sloppy form why not just knock the weight down to 225 or so and do 4-6 reps using perfect form.
The 6th rep is still a failure rep as I can not do another rep with perfect form. Thus I'm still lifting Heavy but I'm also keeping perfect form.
I like the way the Max- OT program puts it.
If you are looking to put on mass you should be lifting a weight that is light enough to do 4 reps with proper form but heavy enough that you can not do more than 6 reps and still maintain proper form.
 
Bunting said:
I like the way the Max- OT program puts it.
If you are looking to put on mass you should be lifting a weight that is light enough to do 4 reps with proper form but heavy enough that you can not do more than 6 reps and still maintain proper form.
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But...they don't MAKE lighter bars. :(
 
People need to take some time reading and experimenting with the tools they have available. Understand what each style of training offers and beneficial and what is wasteful. Look at the machines, figure out how to use them for what they can offer. Use cyclic variation in training (don't do the same thing day in and day out - aka avoid your body adapting to movement patterns).

Too much volume (i.e: 4 sets of pyramids) may work for the genetically gifted, or those who have mainly fast twitch muscle fibers but for most it won't produce long term progress.

If someone learns to mix both HVT & HIT and meet in the middle, I think that person would see the greatest growth!
 
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