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DMA's Never Satisfied Training Log

Dma378 said:
No sir. Slipknot. You'll find no Tech N9ne in here. No offense LOL
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Haha aww. I got confused by the painted faces in the picture I can see. I like slipknot too.
 
Question for MrKleen73 or anyone else for that matter.

Made a change to my peri-workout supplementation today. I have seen you Kleen talk about drinking the Hydro Whey during workout as opposed to BCAA's. Also reading an article here on our lovely AM about it as well yesterday had me thinking about it.

So here is my set-up:

Workout pretty much fasted in the early am, but would have had a snack before bed. Approximately 8 hours pre-gym. Have my usual stim-concoction with Vital1ty (creatine/betaine) PWO.
Drink Hydrolized Whey Intra
Drink BCAA's (8g) immediately Post WO
Have approx 40g Carbs (rolled oats) 30-45 minutes Post WO
High Protein and Fat, moderate Carb breakfast 3 hours Post WO

Does this seem like the best set-up for MPS? Insulin, etc.?
 
I like the set up. The intra shake won't cause any spikes but more so keep your body anabolic. Maybe switch out the oats for grits, cream of wheat or white rice. Other than that looks good
 
jmyers said:
I like the set up. The intra shake won't cause any spikes but more so keep your body anabolic. Maybe switch out the oats for grits, cream of wheat or white rice. Other than that looks good
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Is it because they are faster acting carbs? Or just better in general for some purpose?
 
Dma378 said:
Question for MrKleen73 or anyone else for that matter.

Made a change to my peri-workout supplementation today. I have seen you Kleen talk about drinking the Hydro Whey during workout as opposed to BCAA's. Also reading an article here on our lovely AM about it as well yesterday had me thinking about it.

So here is my set-up:

Workout pretty much fasted in the early am, but would have had a snack before bed. Approximately 8 hours pre-gym. Have my usual stim-concoction with Vital1ty (creatine/betaine) PWO.
Drink Hydrolized Whey Intra
Drink BCAA's (8g) immediately Post WO
Have approx 40g Carbs (rolled oats) 30-45 minutes Post WO
High Protein and Fat, moderate Carb breakfast 3 hours Post WO

Does this seem like the best set-up for MPS? Insulin, etc.?
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Dma378 said:
Is it because they are faster acting carbs? Or just better in general for some purpose?
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Yes, it looks good, often I will mix up 20-30 grams of the hydro and shoot about 10 grams worth about 10-15 minutes after my pre workout. That way it does not slow the pre workout hitting but gets into the system by the end of my warm up. That way I already have some fuel if I am doing it in the morning. Unless trying to cut I think this is better for the performance based lifts to have a fast acting carb like some HBCD or a tablespoon or two of Brown Rice Syrup does the trick! Then have more HBCD during the workout with the rest of the hyrdo-whey. If not doing any pre or intra workout carbs then definitely go with the Cream of Rice, it will give you that larger insulin spike and is all starch. If having some intra-carbs then the rolled oats are a solid choice. Again this comes down to goals and specific use. Brown Rice Syrups is pretty awesome because it has a mix of sugars and starch so no big crash in the workout, plus you can use a little to sweeten your intra drink and mask the taste of those hydro's since you didn't get the one that was de-bitterized. Also not a bad option for sweetening the Cream of Rice cereal either.

Since doing PHAT, on the power days I would opt for some fast acting carbs, pre and intra, then the rolled oats after since you will already have had the insulin kicked up from the simple carbs no rush to get the carbs in quickly or stop the catabolism as it is already pretty much stopped in it's tracks from the intra- supplementation.

On hypertrophy days I would opt for the no carbs pre, or intra, and go with the Cream of Rice or grits as jmyers said. That will get into your system more quickly and give you the insulin spike you are seeking.
 
You guys are awesome. Ordering some brown rice syrup right now. Good thing I love grits, will grab next grocery trip.
 
Dma378 said:
You guys are awesome. Ordering some brown rice syrup right now. Good thing I love grits, will grab next grocery trip.
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YOu can probably get some brown rice syrup at the grocery store too. That is where I get mine. It is in the health foods isle.
 
MrKleen73 said:
YOu can probably get some brown rice syrup at the grocery store too. That is where I get mine. It is in the health foods isle.
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What's your opinion on waxy maize post workout?
 
jmyers said:
It's inferior. Best option would be HBCD
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Edit: figured it out, good old Google comes through again. Appreciate it!
 
Thats gonna hurt in the morning :D
 
So, they may not be the best carbs, but in the name of just getting some quick carbs (and adding flavor) I shot a bit of maple syrup in my hydro whey to use intra. As well as an additional shot in my Conqu3r pwo. Threw in a couple caps of Hydro3 to the mix and the pump this morning was fantastic. Speed work is definitely a new sensation. I like it.

BACK / SHOULDERS HYPERTROPHY

OHP:
65 x 20 speed
65 x 20 speed
65 x 18 speed
95 x 10
95 x 10

Pull Ups:
5 FROM Singles to warm up
8 partials for speed into Explosive FROM pulling up off bars to failure x 4 sets

Chest Supported T-Bar:
45 x 15
70 x 12
70 x 12
70 x 12
Super Set
HS Shoulder Press:
50 x 15
100 x 12
100 x 12
100 x 12

DB Row:
50 x 12 each side
50 x 12
50 x 12
50 x 12
Super Set
Plate Drivers w/ 25lb. plate to failure into Plate Front Raises to failure x 4 sets

Dual Pulley Face Pulls (weight each side):
70 x 16
80 x 15
55 x 20
55 x 20

DB Upright Rows:
25's x 12
25's x 12
25's x 12
Super Set
DB Reverse Flys:
15's x 15
15's x 15
15's x 15 into Rear Delt Finisher swings until pain was unbearable

6 minutes Jump Rope

Taking tomorrow off because I slept like shiit last night and want the extra 90 minutes. Also because I am going to go to my son's gym on Saturday and show him how to Deadlift. Pretty excited for that. So I will also do tomorrow's Lower Body Hyper session while there.

Weight 214.8 this morning
 
Dma378 said:
So, they may not be the best carbs, but in the name of just getting some quick carbs (and adding flavor) I shot a bit of maple syrup in my hydro whey to use intra. As well as an additional shot in my Conqu3r pwo. Threw in a couple caps of Hydro3 to the mix and the pump this morning was fantastic. Speed work is definitely a new sensation. I like it.

BACK / SHOULDERS HYPERTROPHY

OHP:
65 x 20 speed
65 x 20 speed
65 x 18 speed
95 x 10
95 x 10

Pull Ups:
5 FROM Singles to warm up
8 partials for speed into Explosive FROM pulling up off bars to failure x 4 sets

Chest Supported T-Bar:
45 x 15
70 x 12
70 x 12
70 x 12
Super Set
HS Shoulder Press:
50 x 15
100 x 12
100 x 12
100 x 12

DB Row:
50 x 12 each side
50 x 12
50 x 12
50 x 12
Super Set
Plate Drivers w/ 25lb. plate to failure into Plate Front Raises to failure x 4 sets

Dual Pulley Face Pulls (weight each side):
70 x 16
80 x 15
55 x 20
55 x 20

DB Upright Rows:
25's x 12
25's x 12
25's x 12
Super Set
DB Reverse Flys:
15's x 15
15's x 15
15's x 15 into Rear Delt Finisher swings until pain was unbearable

6 minutes Jump Rope

Taking tomorrow off because I slept like shiit last night and want the extra 90 minutes. Also because I am going to go to my son's gym on Saturday and show him how to Deadlift. Pretty excited for that. So I will also do tomorrow's Lower Body Hyper session while there.

Weight 214.8 this morning
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he will continue father legacy....
 
Dma378 said:
Well that stomach bug from yesterday is coming out in the worst way this morning. Sorry for the graphics, but I feel that it definitely hindered my endurance a bit as I felt depleted.

I have also forgotten to mention I am starting a new program. Giving PHAT a go. Thanks to my boy yates84 for the link to the program.

Layout will be as follows Mon-Fri (rest/yoga weekends):

Upper Body Power
Lower Body Power
Back/Shoulders Hyper
Lower Body Hyper
Chest/Arms Hyper

Will be incorporating some speed work on HT days.

So first Upper Power session this morning was a bit taxing, on top of the system depletion, I am definitely not used to doing so many power exercises in one workout. I like it, but got tanked rather quickly.

Obviously nothing to report on Day 1, and first dose of Tr3st PWO with 1 cap RAD as well.

UPPER BODY POWER

Pendlay Rows:
135 x 10
185 x 8
235 x 7
255 x 6 (PR by 1 rep)

Lat Pull Downs:
140 x 12
190 x 10
210 x 8
210 x 6

Flat DB Press:
70's x 12
90's x 10
110's x 5
110's x 5

Cable Crossover (weight each side):
80 x 10
90 x 8
100 x 8
100 x 8

Snatch Grip High Pulls:
135 x 8
135 x 8
135 x 8
135 x 8
Super Set
DB Shoulder Press:
40's x 10
40's x 10
50's x 10
50's x 10

7 minutes steady state jog
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PHAT is an awesome program. Ran it for 12-14 weeks this past summer. First time doing Pendlays and now a new fave! Good increases in strength in back and no pressure on lower back.
 
bobi593 said:
he will continue father legacy....
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He's making me pretty damn proud. It's nice having this to talk with him about, training, etc. Took it up on his own after he moved out. Never really showed any interest while he was at home. But I guess it planted the seed.
fitbanker said:
PHAT is an awesome program. Ran it for 12-14 weeks this past summer. First time doing Pendlays and now a new fave! Good increases in strength in back and no pressure on lower back.
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Totally agree. Actually learned about Pendlay Rows last year while following someone else's PHAT log. Probably the single best move I've added (except maybe Deads) for really widening my upper back and increasing my strength on all pulling movements.
 
bobi593 said:
he will continue father legacy....
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He's making me pretty damn proud. It's nice having this to talk with him about, training, etc. Took it up on his own after he moved out. Never really showed any interest while he was at home. But I guess it planted the seed.
fitbanker said:
PHAT is an awesome program. Ran it for 12-14 weeks this past summer. First time doing Pendlays and now a new fave! Good increases in strength in back and no pressure on lower back.
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Totally agree. Actually learned about Pendlay Rows last year while following someone else's PHAT log. Probably the single best move I've added (except maybe Deads) for really widening my upper back and increasing my strength on all pulling movements.
 
bobi593 said:
of course most of the kids today is so lazy they don't wanna do anything except play on the couch
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This is where he is coming from. Has been a video game nut his whole childhood. Was never an outside kid unless I took him. Didn't play sports as he spent the majority of his life with his mom. Moved to live with me at 16 and he started opening up a bit. Developing a social circle outside the online gaming world. Not to discredit his mom, but I offered him a little more freedom as a young man. Like I had. Can't say I'm completely responsible for his coming out of it, maybe he just grew up, but I'll take some credit LOL
 
As I said, took this morning off to sleep later before work. And not sure if it was just being tired from 2 nights of crappy sleep or the increased MK dosage, but last night was an 8 hour coma with 1 long dream. Woke very refreshed. Already wish it was tomorrow morning to kill the weights.
 
yates84 said:
What's your opinion on waxy maize post workout?
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Blech... I won't use it. I would rather use straight dextrose if trying to save money.
jmyers said:
It's inferior. Best option would be HBCD
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This! Hit me up and I will tell you were I get mine pretty cheap. Same price as one place but MUCH cheaper shipping.
Dma378 said:
As I said, took this morning off to sleep later before work. And not sure if it was just being tired from 2 nights of crappy sleep or the increased MK dosage, but last night was an 8 hour coma with 1 long dream. Woke very refreshed. Already wish it was tomorrow morning to kill the weights.
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Probably a little of both!
 
The lethargy hit me pretty hard when I upped the mk to 20mg. Went away after about a week tho and now it's just gainzzz
 
What MK dosage are you at now? I must've missed it. 20mgs MURDERED me the first couple weeks.
 
BamBam0319 said:
What MK dosage are you at now? I must've missed it. 20mgs MURDERED me the first couple weeks.
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When do you take it?? I took mine prework out and absolutley killed it!
 
DennisTheDane said:
When do you take it?? I took mine prework out and absolutley killed it!
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When I was doing 20mg it was combined in a capsule at 10mg each with 75 mg epiandrosterone. I would take 1 cap preworkout and the second cap 5-6 hours later. Looking back I should've taken it all preworkout. I didn't know epiandrosterone (and the other andros for that matter) are more effective when you spike the concentration in your blood by dosing all at once.
What do you like about taking MK pre workout?
 
BamBam0319 said:
When I was doing 20mg it was combined in a capsule at 10mg each with 75 mg epiandrosterone. I would take 1 cap preworkout and the second cap 5-6 hours later. Looking back I should've taken it all preworkout. I didn't know epiandrosterone (and the other andros for that matter) are more effective when you spike the concentration in your blood by dosing all at once.
What do you like about taking MK pre workout?
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i did 30 mg pwo. Stacked with a product called Adamatine i work wonders ! I mean i could lift more...
 
deepseajs said:
The lethargy hit me pretty hard when I upped the mk to 20mg. Went away after about a week tho and now it's just gainzzz
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BamBam0319 said:
What MK dosage are you at now? I must've missed it. 20mgs MURDERED me the first couple weeks.
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The lethargy did hit me a bit this afternoon. It did at first at 10 as well but like you said, went away after a week or so. Expect this to do the same. It's almost as if starting over. The hunger hit me today too just like the first few weeks at 10. And the water retention. Changed out of my work clothes just now and was like, uuuggh. All these things went away after a few weeks before.
 
Dma378 said:
The lethargy did hit me a bit this afternoon. It did at first at 10 as well but like you said, went away after a week or so. Expect this to do the same. It's almost as if starting over. The hunger hit me today too just like the first few weeks at 10. And the water retention. Changed out of my work clothes just now and was like, uuuggh. All these things went away after a few weeks before.
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Yep, I felt like I was starting all over again when bumped from 10 to 20.
WANTED said:
Ha ha... Dude those hgh patches we got in the mail are 40mg per patch. Very noticeable by day 3!
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Oh no... Lol IGF levels through the roof! I don't start those for another month
 
Well today is what I call Separation Day. It's that first workout on cycle that separates you from normal. It's only Day 5 so I know it's just beginning, but this 50mg of Tr3st PWO is the shiit. Here is my current PWO cocktail:

1 Monster cup of coffee
1 serving Vital1ty
1 serving Conqu3r Unleashed
50mg oral Tr3st
25mg TD Trest
4mg RAD
2 caps Hydro3 on HT days

Woke at 218. That's 4 lbs. But for the pump, I consumed around 100 grams of carbs before bed last night. And well, it paid off. Gym this morning was fantastic. Stimmed, pumped, strong, and big. Sweat was rolling, head was nodding to the drums.

CHEST / ARMS HYPERTROPHY

Incline BB Press:
95 x 20 speed
115 x 20 speed
115 x 16 speed
135 x 12
135 x 10
135 x 9 Whew, that speed work really fatigues the muscles!!

Incline DB Flys:
35's x 15 Bothering elbow, so moved these to cables

Low Pulley Cable Fly:
55 x 12
55 x 12
55 x 12

Spider Curls:
50 x 12
50 x 12
50 x 10
50 x 10
Super Set
DB Kickbacks:
20 x 15
30 x 12
30 x 12
25 x 15

Explosive Dips x 6, 6, 6

EZ Bar Curls Triple Drop Sets:
80, 50, 20 x 3
60, 30, 20 x 1

HS Chest Press:
175 x 12 into negatives w/ foot pedal assistance
190 x 10 " " " " "
190 x 8 " " " " "
175 x 8
160 x 8

10 minutes Interval Sprints
 
Yikes! Beastman! Nice lifting.
 
Applying the Dermatrest pwo is a mental hurdle for me. I mean, I totally understand Yates reasoning for doing so, but the broscience "but it will get sweat out!!?!1!" is strong in me ugh
 
NewAgeMayan said:
Applying the Dermatrest pwo is a mental hurdle for me. I mean, I totally understand Yates reasoning for doing so, but the broscience "but it will get sweat out!!?!1!" is strong in me ugh
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I heard that it opens up the pores and actually enhances absorption so...

Although, I will have one dirty shoulder soon, as I make it a point to not let the post-workout shower hit the application area. Nor do I wipe that shoulder with my towel while working out.
 
Dma378 said:
So far feelings of greatness, strength and pump. With a hint of nipple sensitivity. I'm sure all of these will be increasing LOL
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What is to expect from Trest ??
 
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