Dianabol v.s. PH's

Renzov2

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Whenever someone tries to do a D-bol only cycle I see a lot of people dissuading them not to; most of them claiming it will be a waste because you won't keep any of your gains once you're off.

This is confusing to me because, Pro Hormone cycles don't get the same type of negative feedback...
To my knowledge they are both oral steroids, and largely the same.

Am I wrong to assume this? What's the deal here?
 
If they are so similar I don't understand why people look down on d-bol only cycles, and not PH cycles..
 
chocolatemilk said:
people who run dbol only cycles are doing nothing different than people who run Superdrol only cycles
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I feel like superdrol is way more dry.
 
ReyMan said:
I feel like superdrol is way more dry.
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it is for the most part but if you're implying that's a better reason to run it solo than dbol that is incorrect.

if you're not implying that, then i'm just trippin on bath salts
 
I've ran both dbol and SD. Dbol is so much better as long as you run an ai along side. I got more strength and mass gains from dbol without the sides of SD.
 
I love Dbol. It is a phenomenal steroid. There is a reason its still being used 50+ years later.

I have used SD and dbol. SD had more sides by far and gave me a wicked estrogen rebound coming off. I run a AI with dbol and as long as you watch your diet you will get great gains. The only sides I get from dbol is.... I want to kill everything in the gym, have sex with every girl (almost every), and pumps that last hours after I lift..... I can live with those sides tho.
 
DangerDave said:
I love Dbol. It is a phenomenal steroid. There is a reason its still being used 50+ years later.

I have used SD and dbol. SD had more sides by far and gave me a wicked estrogen rebound coming off. I run a AI with dbol and as long as you watch your diet you will get great gains. The only sides I get from dbol is.... I want to kill everything in the gym, have sex with every girl (almost every), and pumps that last hours after I lift..... I can live with those sides tho.
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This sounds pretty awesome
 
jbryand101b said:
I would rather run 6 weeks of 10mg sd + 30mg dbol.
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That sounds like a delicious recipe for muscle/strength growth! I might try it next cycle this winter.....
 
DangerDave said:
I have used SD and dbol. SD had more sides by far and gave me a wicked estrogen rebound coming off. I run a AI with dbol and as long as you watch your diet you will get great gains. The only sides I get from dbol is.... I want to kill everything in the gym, have sex with every girl (almost every), and pumps that last hours after I lift..... I can live with those sides tho.
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I like how you list those sides as if they're no big deal or anything lol.
 
dbol is not at all the same as a ph just because it is an oral. there are so many different phs with diffrent properties. the reason y a superdrol or dbol nly cyle is frowned upon is because a majority of the weight gain is from glycogen supercompensation and water in the case of dbol. both witch are lost once the cycle ends as well as the muscle loss from the hormonal crash in pct. also explaining y they are preferred as a cycle kickstart assuming long esterd compounds are now fully kicked in they will aid in maintaining some of the gains made. a dbol only cycle is not like alot of other ph only cycles for exaple the gains made on epi, halo, or prosanozol are much easier maintained than those made on dbol
 
DangerDave said:
I love Dbol. It is a phenomenal steroid. There is a reason its still being used 50+ years later.

I have used SD and dbol. SD had more sides by far and gave me a wicked estrogen rebound coming off. I run a AI with dbol and as long as you watch your diet you will get great gains. The only sides I get from dbol is.... I want to kill everything in the gym, have sex with every girl (almost every), and pumps that last hours after I lift..... I can live with those sides tho.
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I know what you mean. I've been running dbol/test e with dbol at 50mg for 4weeks but I had a bunch left over. I've been taking just 10mg dbol pre workout only now for 2 weeks and still get amazing pumps and strength continues to climb.
 
Eric160 said:
dbol is not at all the same as a ph just because it is an oral. there are so many different phs with diffrent properties. the reason y a superdrol or dbol nly cyle is frowned upon is because a majority of the weight gain is from glycogen supercompensation and water in the case of dbol. both witch are lost once the cycle ends as well as the muscle loss from the hormonal crash in pct. also explaining y they are preferred as a cycle kickstart assuming long esterd compounds are now fully kicked in they will aid in maintaining some of the gains made. a dbol only cycle is not like alot of other ph only cycles for exaple the gains made on epi, halo, or prosanozol are much easier maintained than those made on dbol
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Interesting...anyone have first hand experience with d-bol post cycle?
 
GreenEarth said:
I like how you list those sides as if they're no big deal or anything lol.
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Lol right? Dbol makes me feel great so great that I want to have sex with anything that has tits and a pulse! I recommend everyone try dbol once at least.... it definitely makes you feel ALPHA!
 
Renzov2 said:
Whenever someone tries to do a D-bol only cycle I see a lot of people dissuading them not to; most of them claiming it will be a waste because you won't keep any of your gains once you're off.

This is confusing to me because, Pro Hormone cycles don't get the same type of negative feedback...
To my knowledge they are both oral steroids, and largely the same.

Am I wrong to assume this? What's the deal here?
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You are able to keep more gains if you run a test base aka test e or 11-0x0.Your test cycle will run longer than your dbol cycle as to try and...save?...some of the gains.Dbol is just one of those compounds that add more water than lean mass.SD is leaner may be worse than dbol for mass though.It's the difference between 25 lbs on dbol and 20 on sd.You keep about 12 to 15 on sd if your good with pct and you only keep like 10 for dbol.You can keep more by running a cycle like this

TestE 10-12 weeks
Dbol 4 weeks

or
11-0x0(PH) 8 weeks
dbol 4 weeks

I know you can use 11 as a test base(or so I was told) but idk about others.Can someone please list the other test base compounds?Thanks!
Hope I helped!
 
Mafesto31 said:
I've ran both dbol and SD. Dbol is so much better as long as you run an ai along side. I got more strength and mass gains from dbol without the sides of SD.
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Agree 110%! 10-30MG OF DBOL PER DAY WITH TRIAZOLE WAS THE SHIZNIT FOR ME, NO BLOAT,REBOUND OR SEVERE SUPPRESSION. I love it!!
 
Renzov2 said:
Whenever someone tries to do a D-bol only cycle I see a lot of people dissuading them not to; most of them claiming it will be a waste because you won't keep any of your gains once you're off.

This is confusing to me because, Pro Hormone cycles don't get the same type of negative feedback...
To my knowledge they are both oral steroids, and largely the same.

Am I wrong to assume this? What's the deal here?
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You are right. There is absolutely zero difference. I think it's probably because more people have access to designers and ph than Dbol, so this coupled with the lack of experience with the compound (Dbol) has largely resulted in how the "conventional wisdom" has played out over the years.

You may not keep everything you've gained, but if your diet, training, and pct are solid, you should absolutely be able to maintain a good portion of those gains with Dbol when all is said and done.

For what it's worth, I'll take Dbol over Super-poison any day of the week.



-T1
 
I use an AI with dbol but its usually a kicker to a cycle of test+ more.
 
pyrobatt said:
You are able to keep more gains if you run a test base aka test e or 11-0x0.Your test cycle will run longer than your dbol cycle as to try and...save?...some of the gains.Dbol is just one of those compounds that add more water than lean mass.SD is leaner may be worse than dbol for mass though.It's the difference between 25 lbs on dbol and 20 on sd.You keep about 12 to 15 on sd if your good with pct and you only keep like 10 for dbol.You can keep more by running a cycle like this

TestE 10-12 weeks
Dbol 4 weeks

or
11-0x0(PH) 8 weeks
dbol 4 weeks

I know you can use 11 as a test base(or so I was told) but idk about others.Can someone please list the other test base compounds?Thanks!
Hope I helped!
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the only thing you can use as a test base is test or a ph to it, not a ph to 11 keto testosterone. if you were a fish, you could use it, cause it would be your hormone.
 
jbryand101b said:
the only thing you can use as a test base is test or a ph to it, not a ph to 11 keto testosterone. if you were a fish, you could use it, cause it would be your hormone.
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I knew something smelled fishy...I'll edit that in a min.
 
Thanks for the helpful replies!

I couldn't find any great d-bol only logs, so i'm not convinced of anything yet. Still up in the air.
 
Renzov2 said:
Thanks for the helpful replies!

I couldn't find any great d-bol only logs, so i'm not convinced of anything yet. Still up in the air.
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Well you could always run it @30mg for 4-6 weeks and log it for us :-)
 
DangerDave said:
Well you could always run it @30mg for 4-6 weeks and log it for us :-)
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I am actually very tempted to do so, which is why I made this thread, but i'm still getting mixed opinions on whether or not it will be effective. Might run a mild PH cycle instead.
 
Renzov2 said:
I am actually very tempted to do so, which is why I made this thread, but i'm still getting mixed opinions on whether or not it will be effective. Might run a mild PH cycle instead.
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DO THE DBOL YOU WILL LOVE IT!!!!! :smlove2:
 
Eric160 said:
dbol is not at all the same as a ph just because it is an oral. there are so many different phs with diffrent properties. the reason y a superdrol or dbol nly cyle is frowned upon is because a majority of the weight gain is from glycogen supercompensation and water in the case of dbol. both witch are lost once the cycle ends as well as the muscle loss from the hormonal crash in pct. also explaining y they are preferred as a cycle kickstart assuming long esterd compounds are now fully kicked in they will aid in maintaining some of the gains made. a dbol only cycle is not like alot of other ph only cycles for exaple the gains made on epi, halo, or prosanozol are much easier maintained than those made on dbol
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Good post.
 
dbol is the same as prohormones.

they are all modified androgenic/anabolic hormones.

and with oral methylated steroids sold as pro hormones, they are even more similar.

dbol is the same as prohormones.

they are all modified androgenic/anabolic hormones.

and with oral methylated steroids sold as pro hormones, they are even more similar.

the properties are different, but then, this is to be said about all the different androgens.


epi, cdma (hdrol), and pstanz are all active androgens, and not pro hormones.

gains are considered more easily maintainable because of their mild properties, and are all non aromatizing, dry, lean mass builders.

all oral steroids like dbol, but different properties than dbol.

is dbol better than epistane? well thats going to depend on the user, what they like/dislike, and what their goals are.
 
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