Details of my upcoming cycle

Tom 185

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Stats:

Age: 23
Ht: 5'11"
Wt: 195 lbs.
Body Fat: Approx. 8%
Body Type: Ectomorph


Cycle Experience:

1) 1-10 Testosterone Enanthate @ 500mg

2) 1-11 Testosterone Enanthate @ 500mg
1-10 Equipoise @ 350mg

3) 1-10 Sustanon @ 250mg EOD
1-4 Superdrol @ 30mg

4) 1-13 Testosterone Enanthate @ 720mg
1-3 Superdrol @ 36mg/36mg/36mg
9-14 Mega-Zol @ 200mg
11-14 Mega-Trn @ 6mg
6-7, 9-10 Clenbuterol


Upcoming Anabolics:

1-14 Testosterone Enanthate @ 840mg
1-6 Dianabol @ 40mg (might bump to 50mg)
14-16 Might use T-4

Upcoming post cycle therapy:

wk16: Activate 2caps
wk17: Clomiphene 150mg, ATD 25mg, DHEA 200mg, Retain, Activate 4caps
wk18: Clomiphene 100mg, ATD 25mg, DHEA 200mg, Retain, Activate 4caps
wk19: Tamoxifen 60mg, ATD 50mg, DHEA 200mg, Retain, Activate 4caps
wk20: Tamoxifen 40mg, ATD 50mg, DHEA 100mg, Activate 4caps
wk21: Tamoxifen 20mg, ATD 75mg, DHEA 100mg, Activate 2caps
wk22: ATD 75mg, DHEA 100mg

-AND-

17-22 IGF-1 LR3 @ 40/40mcg - PWO - 2x week
(17-21 Might use PegMGF @ 100mcg 2x week)

17-NEXT CYCLE Pre-load (pre-workout drink)-(metabolicadaptation.com)
17-NEXT CYCLE Creatine Ethyl Ester @ 4mg post-workout


Supplements:

-Ultra Source of Life Multivitamins
-Vitamin C @ 1g - 2x per day
-Melatonin @ 1.5mg (as needed)
-Caffeine @ 300mg pre-workout (as needed)
-Saw Palmetto @ 540mg
-Flaxseed Oil @ 1g 4x per day
-Zinc @ 30mg

Liver Protection:
Cycle Support by AI
Weeks 1-2: Additional 600mg Milk Thistle

Acne Medication:
Benzaclin Topical Gel
Neutrogina Face Wash
Cetaphil Body Wash

Hair Loss Prevention:
Finasteride @ 1mg
Nizoral 2% every day

Blood Pressure:
Cycle Support by AI

Cholesterol:
Cycle Support by AI

Prostate Care (& other benefits):
Cycle Support by AI

Bloating:
Letrozole .25 EOD
Dandelion Root 1g - 4x per day
Water - 1 gallon+

Training:

-Very complex
-6 on / 1 off
-Rep range will change every 2 weeks
-Large bodyparts 1x per week
-Bis, Forearms & Tris 2x per week
-Abs & Calves 3x per week
-Cardio 1-2x per week (Hockey)

Diet:

7 Meals, 6 meals on Sunday (no post-workout meal)

Protein: 300g

Fat: 80-100g

Carbs: 500-600g


Goals:

-15-20 pounds
-Ridiculous strength increase
 
Looks like you have everything layed out really nicely. I think you should give EQ another shot, or maybe some bold cyp if you can get it. However, you need to run it at at least 600mg a week. 300 mg was weak I would imagine.

What brand of spiro you are using? I tried to use a certain brand and it just smelled too skunky, even with one application at night.
 
I'd run the EQ longer, which means bumping the whole cycle to a longer duration. 16 weeks Test Enanthate, 15 weeks EQ.
 
wow i really don't want to be on for that long...

any suggestions for replacing the eq with something else?

can't use deca because of the finasteride
 
Primo ;) If you have the duckets.

You could get away with running EQ for 12, but it's not optimal is all I am saying. It'll be active up to around week 15-16 regardless...
 
UBI-How is Primo? I can get it at a reasonable price but i've heard mixed things about it and that you should run ATLEAST 600mg, more like 800mg+.

Tom 185: I'd up the D-bol to 40mg and run it for 6 weeks, also extend the cycle out to 16 weeks (unless it's boldenone cypionate).
 
I like Primo, I'm running some now.

You can get away with 400-500mg stacked with Test IMHO.

If you run it standalone, or as the base hormone in the cycle, you should run it 600mg-800mg from what most people who used it say.

A lot of people who have negative reviews on it say it's like overpriced EQ.
 
How would you compare primo to other anabolics such as deca, and eq? I know that Primo along with Tren will keep you anabolic in a calorie deficent which makes it attractive to me while dieting but i dunno about bulking. The quality of the gains sounds attractive though.
 
It's just that, you can gain on a deficient diet with Primo.. you're exactly right..

I feel that the most bang for your buck is Nandrolone, but if you have sides to consider, and a cost/results perspective.. Boldenone.
 
CHAPS said:
Tom 185: I'd up the D-bol to 40mg and run it for 6 weeks, also extend the cycle out to 16 weeks (unless it's boldenone cypionate).
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yea i was actually thinking about 6 weeks and although i say 25mg i know that i'd make it higher once i started anyway hah
 
Ubiquitous said:
Primo ;) If you have the duckets.

You could get away with running EQ for 12, but it's not optimal is all I am saying. It'll be active up to around week 15-16 regardless...
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Okay well I think I'll stick with the EQ for now, I gave in easily and extended everything two weeks longer
 
judge how you react to Dbol before upping it. lol.. the aromatization is high in this one. ;)

People respond differently to different things. I get gyno from Tren but can run a gram of Test with no problem. Just plan for the lowest effective dose and then up accordingly (or lower)
 
yea thats true..i might just throw out the eq altogether because i want to run a cutter in the spring and making this cycle as long as it is will only make me unable to run one until next fall..so that would leave me with test and dbol and then id like to run test, tren, proviron in the spring/summer
 
Cycle looks very well planned out. When do you plan on starting? Id like to see a log on this!

I didnt like fenugreek personally, im going to try maca in place of it for my next PCT. Im not to fond of DHEA either. but to each his own.
 
I'm going to start in 2-3 weeks and I will be running a log...i still need to get some of the materials first...

Honestly, i didnt see any difference in my last pct while taking fenugreek and dhea but it didnt hurt and i have more left over so I'm going to run them both again

I still keep changing my mind on the cycle length, dosages, and whether to use eq, something else, or only the test and dbol
 
if you dont want to do another injectable how about first 4-6 weeks with dbol then a month off orals and jump into some var! Yeah! of course, all with test.
 
careful with high EQ dosage if you know you're MPB prone. 5AR inhibition does NOT do anything for boldenone's hairline impact.

i hate fenugreek too, and so does anyone within 6 inches of me when i'm on it. (PU)

tbol is an amazing steroid. i would see if you can get that...for MPB-consciousness, of course.

the cream from WSHCP is REALLY dense. you HAVE to thin it out with something, except not alcohol because it will go systemic...i recommend a non-smelly oil, like canola or grapeseed....but it doesnt get homogenous...good luck with this one.

i personally wouldnt run dbol for 6 weeks, but that's me...again, you cant control the hairloss from dbol with a 5AR inhib.
 
same_old said:
careful with high EQ dosage if you know you're MPB prone. 5AR inhibition does NOT do anything for boldenone's hairline impact.

i hate fenugreek too, and so does anyone within 6 inches of me when i'm on it. (PU)

tbol is an amazing steroid. i would see if you can get that...for MPB-consciousness, of course.

the cream from WSHCP is REALLY dense. you HAVE to thin it out with something, except not alcohol because it will go systemic...i recommend a non-smelly oil, like canola or grapeseed....but it doesnt get homogenous...good luck with this one.

i personally wouldnt run dbol for 6 weeks, but that's me...again, you cant control the hairloss from dbol with a 5AR inhib.
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I don't think I'm going to use the EQ.

What downsides did you see with Fenugreek?

What dosages would you recommend for tbol?
 
Tom 185 said:
Stats:

Age: 22
Ht: 5'10"
Wt: 195 lbs.
Bodyfat: 6.9%


Cycle Experience:

1) 1-10 Testosterone Enanthate @ 500mg

2) 1-11 Testosterone Enanthate @ 500mg
1-10 Equipoise @ 300mg

3) 1-10 Sustanon @ 250mg EOD
1-4 Superdrol @ 30mg

4) 1-13 Testosterone Enanthate @ 720mg
1-3 Superdrol @ 30mg
9-14 Mega-Zol @ 200mg
11-14 Mega-Trn @ 6mg
6-7, 9-10 Clenbuterol @ 20/40/60/80/80/100/100/120/100/100/80/80/60/40


Upcoming Anabolics:

1-12 Testosterone Enanthate @ 700mg
1-6 Dianabol or Turinabol
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Upcoming post cycle therapy:

17-20 Tamoxifen Citrate @ 40/40/20/20
17-20 Clomiphene Citrate @ 100/100/50/50
17-20 IGF-1 LR3 @ 40mcg/day
(will inject post-workout in muscles worked, 60mcg in legs)
17-20 Clenbuterol/Ketotifen (Cortisol Blocker)
17-20 Fenugreek @ 3g/4g/5g/6g
17-19 DHEA @ 250mg
17-NEXT CYCLE Pre-load (metabolicadaptation.com)
17-NEXT CYCLE Magnesium @ 500mg


Supplements:

-Source of Life Multivitamin
-Vitamin C @ 1g - 2x per day

Liver Protection:
Milk Thistle @ 600mg 2x per day

Acne Medication:
Benzaclin Topical Gel
Neutrogina Face Wash
Cetaphil Body Wash

Hair Loss Prevention:
Finasteride @ 1mg
Spirolactone every day
Nizoral 2% every day

Blood Pressure:
Hawthorne Berry @ 550mg 2x per day

Cholesterol:
RYR @ 1200mg with CoQ10 @ 60mg

Prostate Care (& other benefits):
Saw Palmetto @ 540mg
Flaxseed Oil @ 1g 3x per day
Zinc @ 30mg


Training:

-Very complex
-6 on / 1 off
-Rep range will change every 2 weeks
-Large bodyparts 1x per week
-Bis, Forearms & Tris 2x per week
-Abs & Calves 3x per week
-Cardio 2x per week @ 25-40 mins (65% max heartrate)

Diet:

...not enough time...will post later
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Hey Tom,

Could you please post a few pics of you. I would love to know how much weight I would have to lose to be at 6.9% bf. Thanks man.
 
Tom 185 said:
I don't think I'm going to use the EQ.

What downsides did you see with Fenugreek?

What dosages would you recommend for tbol?
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the only downside to fenugreek is the fact that it makes me smell EXACTLY like maple syrup. blechhh.....

tbol, 40-60mg/day. enjoy. it's my favorite 17aa, by far.

how bad is your MPB, and how much are you concerned with it?

i would also like to see 6.9% BF. for once i might actually believe it when stated, because of how many damn cycles you've run and your clen use.
 
motiv8er said:
Hey Tom,

Could you please post a few pics of you. I would love to know how much weight I would have to lose to be at 6.9% bf. Thanks man.
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That sounds very sarcastic, but if its not then I'm sorry but i dont have a digital camera and the only pics i have on my computer are regular pictures that friends and family sent me. I will be posting pics for this cycle however, I just need to borrow my friends camera.
 
same_old said:
the only downside to fenugreek is the fact that it makes me smell EXACTLY like maple syrup. blechhh.....

tbol, 40-60mg/day. enjoy. it's my favorite 17aa, by far.

how bad is your MPB, and how much are you concerned with it?

i would also like to see 6.9% BF. for once i might actually believe it when stated, because of how many damn cycles you've run and your clen use.
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haha i never heard of smelling weird on fenu.

im still waiting to hear from my source if he can get the tbol, how long should i run it for and how could you describe it compared to superdrol or dbol? the profiles claim that it is a slow lean mass gain, which sounds like superdrol minus the slow part. if he cant get it i will opt for superdrol once again or dbol, im not sure yet..

my mpb is not bad yet, there is no visible hair loss. but for the past 2 months ive been seeing tons of hairs in my hand while shampooing, so obviously im freaking out. I'm VERY concerned with it. I was using nizoral but i noticed that i've been using the 1% not the 2%. I will get the 2% and i'm starting finasteride at 1mg. Still debating on the spiro b/c of the mixed comments...

My bodyfat has been to 3.5% before. I am a collegiate wrestler and ice hockey player. Also, a true hardgainer/ectomorph. The highest I've ever seen it was 8.5%

Eventually I'll post pics, sorry
 
same_old said:
careful with high EQ dosage if you know you're MPB prone. 5AR inhibition does NOT do anything for boldenone's hairline impact.

i personally wouldnt run dbol for 6 weeks, but that's me...again, you cant control the hairloss from dbol with a 5AR inhib.
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Does EQ have a bigger impact or a different mechanism to 5AR then Testosterone does? I didnt think EQ was a big problem with hairloss....Im on 600mg EW and im MPB prone(receeding hairline) I would like to find out more on this.


Tom, Fenu makes you stink like maple syrup at times and didnt do much for libido or anything for that matter. Maybe a higher extract would be better. Scivation's Fenotest was better then regular Fenugreek but i would go a different route than fenu.
 
Tom 185 said:
That sounds very sarcastic, but if its not then I'm sorry but i dont have a digital camera and the only pics i have on my computer are regular pictures that friends and family sent me. I will be posting pics for this cycle however, I just need to borrow my friends camera.
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"Hey Tom,

Could you please post a few pics of you. I would love to know how much weight I would have to lose to be at 6.9% bf. Thanks man."

Hey Tom,

Would you please re-read my post and tell me what exactly smells of sarcasim. I said please and thanks with the comparison being about myself.

Sarcasim would be if I said that I highly doubted you were in the single digits of bf. If you look for a post of the ugly troll GLENIHAN, you will see what 10% bf looks like.

When I first started to get serious about this, I trusted electronic bf testers as being gospel. And wow were they off.

Prove me wrong?
 
Tom 185 said:
can't use deca because of the finasteride
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Maybe not. Maybe Deca+ Finasteride is not as bad as we think.

Here is what I found on Deca/finasteride combo:

"I heard you can't use finasteride with deca"
Without fail, you'll hear this statement at least once a month.

First off, let me preface this by saying that this is true, in certain contexts.
However, I'm an advocate of including testosterone in every cycle, so my explanation is with the assumption that one will be using nandrolone in addition to testosterone

For those that do not know, testosterone converts to DHT via the 5 alpha reductase enzyme. DHT is far more androgenic than testosterone and is the main contributor to MPB in those genetically predisposed. finasteride is a 5 alpha reductase inhibitor, and therefore limits the conversion of testosterone to DHT via competitive inhibition.

Nandrolone itself is a 5 alpha reductase inhibitor (although it yields DHN in the process). So less DHT is produced if nandrolone is present. Also, DHN is much less androgenic than nandrolone and much less androgenic than DHT. So, finasteride with deca (nandrolone) should both work to reduce DHT levels, and since finasteride will inhibit 5a reductase, it'll also keep levels of DHN lower too.

The misconception that deca with finasteride is a bad combination stems from the the days when deca only cycles were more common (often referred to as the days before jason updated the AR homepage cycles ) If one were running a deca only cycle (or any deca cycle without test), then finasteride would be a poor choice, because DHN is less androgenic than nandrolone. However, since we're assuming test to be included in a deca cycle, and both test and DHT are far more androgenic than nandrolone, if your goal is preventing the formation of the most androgenic compounds, then both deca and finasteride work together to reduce DHT formation.

To sum things up, if you're running a test + deca cycle and are worried about MPB (and you're susceptible), then including finasteride is a far better option than NOT including it, although the nandrolone will help to reduce DHT formation on its own to some extent.

This doesn't touch on the many positive effects of DHT (libido, muscle hardness, decreased SHBG and therefore increased bioavailable AAS).....this is only in the context of preventing hairloss.

What do you think guys?
 
motiv8er said:
"Hey Tom,

Could you please post a few pics of you. I would love to know how much weight I would have to lose to be at 6.9% bf. Thanks man."

Hey Tom,

Would you please re-read my post and tell me what exactly smells of sarcasim. I said please and thanks with the comparison being about myself.

Sarcasim would be if I said that I highly doubted you were in the single digits of bf. If you look for a post of the ugly troll GLENIHAN, you will see what 10% bf looks like.

When I first started to get serious about this, I trusted electronic bf testers as being gospel. And wow were they off.

Prove me wrong?
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haha alright your on. i need a few weeks tho before i get pics up. yea i dont trust the cheap skinfold ones. i get it done by a nurse at my gym. (the cheap ones have me in the 4-5% range when im 6-8%)
 
Rostam said:
Maybe not. Maybe Deca+ Finasteride is not as bad as we think.

Here is what I found on Deca/finasteride combo:

"I heard you can't use finasteride with deca"
Without fail, you'll hear this statement at least once a month.

First off, let me preface this by saying that this is true, in certain contexts.
However, I'm an advocate of including testosterone in every cycle, so my explanation is with the assumption that one will be using nandrolone in addition to testosterone

For those that do not know, testosterone converts to DHT via the 5 alpha reductase enzyme. DHT is far more androgenic than testosterone and is the main contributor to MPB in those genetically predisposed. finasteride is a 5 alpha reductase inhibitor, and therefore limits the conversion of testosterone to DHT via competitive inhibition.

Nandrolone itself is a 5 alpha reductase inhibitor (although it yields DHN in the process). So less DHT is produced if nandrolone is present. Also, DHN is much less androgenic than nandrolone and much less androgenic than DHT. So, finasteride with deca (nandrolone) should both work to reduce DHT levels, and since finasteride will inhibit 5a reductase, it'll also keep levels of DHN lower too.

The misconception that deca with finasteride is a bad combination stems from the the days when deca only cycles were more common (often referred to as the days before jason updated the AR homepage cycles ) If one were running a deca only cycle (or any deca cycle without test), then finasteride would be a poor choice, because DHN is less androgenic than nandrolone. However, since we're assuming test to be included in a deca cycle, and both test and DHT are far more androgenic than nandrolone, if your goal is preventing the formation of the most androgenic compounds, then both deca and finasteride work together to reduce DHT formation.

To sum things up, if you're running a test + deca cycle and are worried about MPB (and you're susceptible), then including finasteride is a far better option than NOT including it, although the nandrolone will help to reduce DHT formation on its own to some extent.

This doesn't touch on the many positive effects of DHT (libido, muscle hardness, decreased SHBG and therefore increased bioavailable anabolic steroids).....this is only in the context of preventing hairloss.

What do you think guys?
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interesting read...i would love to be able to use deca with this cycle...i just assumed i can never use it bc of the finasteride...i hope more people comment on this...............
 
Personally I think as long as you have enough test in your stack there would be no issue using finasteride with your stack of test/deca.
I researched this subject extensively and haven't found any reasonable contraindication in using finasteride with deca/test stack.

There is a long thread on another forum (I'm not sure I can give the link) but if you google for "buffdoc finasteride" you can find it.
 
should i frontload the EQ?? I'm seeing this on some threads, and I remember I read that frontloading was done for years in different cycles but it never really helped improve making the ester act faster...
 
Tom 185 said:
should i frontload the EQ?? I'm seeing this on some threads, and I remember I read that frontloading was done for years in different cycles but it never really helped improve making the ester act faster...
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I frontloaded slightly and its week 6 tomarrow and its just been starting now, as far as the test but im taking eq as well. From what i can tell frontload really doesnt work that well.
 
pistonpump said:
I frontloaded slightly and its week 6 tomarrow and its just been starting now, as far as the test but im taking eq as well. From what i can tell frontload really doesnt work that well.
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whats your cycle layout..dosages...etc...
 
Tom very nice cycle history and cycle layout.

I noticed youre going to be using 300mgs of DHEA DURING pct. i dont know how this fad got started...

Think of DHEA as a twice removed oral testosterone. It converts to andro (along with a whole other laundry list of hormones) which in turn converts to testosterone. That testosterone in turns converts to estrogen, of course. DHEA converts directly to other forms of estrogen as well, some of which are more powerful than estradiol.

that said, it doesnt look like a prime candidate for post cycle therapy. IT IS SUPRESSIVE, while at the same time making you feel as if you are recovered because of its testosterone conversion.

to one and to all, stop using DHEA for pct. you wouldnt use test, and you wouldnt use andro, why use DHEA?
 
Rostam said:
What do you think guys?
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Makes sense to me.

Tom - also remember that at 1mg/day, finasteride doesn't completely inhibit 5AR and kill DHT. The inhibition is only about 30%, which means there will still be plenty of test being reduced to DHT (and I'm guessing quite a bit of deca being reduced to DHN).
 
TeamSavage said:
Makes sense to me.

Tom - also remember that at 1mg/day, finasteride doesn't completely inhibit 5AR and kill DHT. The inhibition is only about 30%, which means there will still be plenty of test being reduced to DHT (and I'm guessing quite a bit of deca being reduced to DHN).
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did you mean eq not deca?
 
I edited my diet on the first post of the thread. Please critique!

I also changed to a higher dosage of dbol and test
 
You train 6 days a week, plus hockey? Dude you sound like you'd be overtraining natty, and there is even a possibility while on cycle.
 
Ubiquitous said:
You train 6 days a week, plus hockey? Dude you sound like you'd be overtraining natty, and there is even a possibility while on cycle.
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*On cycle I train 6 days a week

Large bodyparts are only once a week
Bis/Tris/Forearms 2x
Abs/Calves 3x


*Off cycle I train 4 days a week
 
ahhhh i know i know..i guess ill put on some cell phone ones tommorrow until i get a digital camera from someone
 
they suck, but its all i have...here are some cell phone shots from week one of my last cycle 8 months ago...
 

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a little off topic but what did you notice with MegaZOL @ 200mgs? Im curious and have a bottle that i have yet to touch.

Also, did you like sust or regular test e more?

Looking ripped.
 
pistonpump said:
a little off topic but what did you notice with MegaZOL @ 200mgs? Im curious and have a bottle that i have yet to touch.

Also, did you like sust or regular test e more?

Looking ripped.
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Thanks piston.

Honestly, I thought that the mega-zol was a waste of money..I didn't feel any stronger or harder. I expected that it would at least harden me up a bit but at 200mg for 6 weeks it didn't do anything for me.

I definitely like regular test enanthate more. I grew more and of course less injections..plus its half the price for me.

I just stocked up on enanthate for this upcoming cycle and next winter and then i look forward to trying prop with some other stuff as a cutter

just bulking for now...
 
thinking of adding something else to my post cycle therapy for natural test...

my last post cycle therapy had usp powerfull/cissus stack and i didn't notice anything...
 
OK well i finally started this cycle today JANUARY 22nd..after only 2 10mg tabs of dbol and a 420mg enanthate injection..i hit the gym..

I have very complex workouts, won't go into detail...but:

8 back exercises 8, 6, 4, 2
3 bicep exercises 16, 14, 12
2 calf exercises 16, 14, 12

*i will note deadlifts 495x3 for my 4th set

i felt a psychological increase in strength..i definitely had good pumps too..

didn't get to weigh myself today cause my scale is broke but i will weigh myself tommorrow when i pick up a new one...

i'll also do some measurements...

Day 1 of bulk dieting went well also
 
I am eager to use my IGF-1

Any thoughts on running 40/40 pwo 2x week for the first 6 weeks with the d-bol as an additional kickstart?
 
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