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Dermacrine and Andros Don't Work. Blood work results prove it.

Here's the deal, your level was at 29, ceasing anything but not everything will not make that number come up much. 4 andro converts to test but if you aren't taking enough and often enough, then you can't have much of an increase in test, and certainly can't go beyond your natural baseline because you haven't taken enough andro to equal or surpass it.

You would need to take 4 andro 300mg 3x a day to hit your natural levels, lol.
 
The reason why andros work when you aren't shut down is because they're so minimally suppressive, they add to your baseline. If you were shut down and took the same dose it would be worthless.
 
A couple things. I say this will be short but we will see.

Just like my boy HIT4ME said your testosterone levels did increase by over 100 points.

You were still on suppressive sarms and the 4dhea converted to test as it is supposed to do. Test was still low so barely any estrogen would be converted.

Andros are effective when starting from your normal testosterone levels because you get a temporary period where your test hasn't suppressed or hasn't much and the pH is doing its thing. Then you have to start really bumping the dose as suppression starts getting worse to get more effects. So that is why you see crazy high doses.

I stopped reading after a short bit but I hope your demeanor changed a bit towards the people who tried to help you out.
 
MrKleen73 said:
A couple things. I say this will be short but we will see.

Just like my boy HIT4ME said your testosterone levels did increase by over 100 points.

You were still on suppressive sarms and the 4dhea converted to test as it is supposed to do. Test was still low so barely any estrogen would be converted.

Andros are effective when starting from your normal testosterone levels because you get a temporary period where your test hasn't suppressed or hasn't much and the pH is doing its thing. Then you have to start really bumping the dose as suppression starts getting worse to get more effects. So that is why you see crazy high doses.

I stopped reading after a short bit but I hope your demeanor changed a bit towards the people who tried to help you out.
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Fuark. Now I am scared. You AMD I have agreed twice in one day? What is going on? Should I call I'm a wellness check for you? Is the world coming to an end? I don't know what to do!!!???

His demeanor did change, but nobody reads that far into the thread and they keep starting up the argument haha.
 
HIT4ME said:
Fuark. Now I am scared. You AMD I have agreed twice in one day? What is going on? Should I call I'm a wellness check for you? Is the world coming to an end? I don't know what to do!!!???

His demeanor did change, but nobody reads that far into the thread and they keep starting up the argument haha.
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To be fair it is a hard thread to read through with the quality if people that were being shown attitude in the beginning.

Yeah crazy ain't it?
 
I can back this up

I had blood work, post dermacrine test levels 6.7
Post dermacrine pct 10.

you can tell because everything just feels suppressed (feeling is as much an indicator as the figures in test therapy).
 
Toff said:
I can back this up

I had blood work, post dermacrine test levels 6.7
Post dermacrine pct 10.

you can tell because everything just feels suppressed (feeling is as much an indicator as the figures in test therapy).
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Just to get this correct. You used highly suppressive sarms and are shocked that a product that is not meant to raise your test, did not. I’m lost.
 
I am reviving this post just to mention how aghast I am at how **** everyone in this thread has been to the OP. Stop your nonsense sermonising. His original query was not nonsense, you are. Yes, I am angry. Just how arrogant can you guys be sometimes? Right off the bat, accusing a person who's come here for knowledge with a very VALID question and findings of not knowing anything and frankly, just being very very rude. You guys completely failed at comprehension. All the OP was clearly saying is that dermacrine and 4Andros can't raise your test to any respectable level while on cycle (sarms, roids, etc.), they might be able to make you feel better, but I don't buy that either. He provided figures from his bloodtest, which confirm it. He clearly took good doses of both the substances, quite expensive too. Now you clowns got on his case by saying that he never should have expected any results, but that's EXACTLY the point, people on other forums and even this one can be found either recommending 4andros for this purpose, or suggesting that they might work for this purpose. They don't and the OP was clearly showing that they don't. That's a GOOD thing, people will be warned not to use 4andros or dermacrine thinking it will raise test while on cycle. It should not be common to find cycles of this nature, and posts like OP's will help in causing that. He made a mistake and was reporting it, and you guys penalised him for it. all of you with PhD's here, do you think it's common knowledge that they can't raise test while on cycle? only for you out of touch fools. Don't penalise people reporting their mistakes and findings. Moreover, I really can't understand how some of you got on his case for being shutdown? what are you doing? of course he is, he was on cycle. and his post clearly said he PCT'd after his 1st cycle so I don't understand how some of you thought he never did. This is just a failure of a thread, and you have terribly failed Skyler777.
 
maximillia said:
I am reviving this post just to mention how aghast I am at how **** everyone in this thread has been to the OP. Stop your nonsense sermonising. His original query was not nonsense, you are. Yes, I am angry. Just how arrogant can you guys be sometimes? Right off the bat, accusing a person who's come here for knowledge with a very VALID question and findings of not knowing anything and frankly, just being very very rude. You guys completely failed at comprehension. All the OP was clearly saying is that dermacrine and 4Andros can't raise your test to any respectable level while on cycle (sarms, roids, etc.), they might be able to make you feel better, but I don't buy that either. He provided figures from his bloodtest, which confirm it. He clearly took good doses of both the substances, quite expensive too. Now you clowns got on his case by saying that he never should have expected any results, but that's EXACTLY the point, people on other forums and even this one can be found either recommending 4andros for this purpose, or suggesting that they might work for this purpose. They don't and the OP was clearly showing that they don't. That's a GOOD thing, people will be warned not to use 4andros or dermacrine thinking it will raise test while on cycle. It should not be common to find cycles of this nature, and posts like OP's will help in causing that. He made a mistake and was reporting it, and you guys penalised him for it. all of you with PhD's here, do you think it's common knowledge that they can't raise test while on cycle? only for you out of touch fools. Don't penalise people reporting their mistakes and findings. Moreover, I really can't understand how some of you got on his case for being shutdown? what are you doing? of course he is, he was on cycle. and his post clearly said he PCT'd after his 1st cycle so I don't understand how some of you thought he never did. This is just a failure of a thread, and you have terribly failed Skyler777.
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For someone who spent years researching, he seemingly failed to research "Dermacrine Test Base". I did a 2 second Google search (not even real research) and most people say, quite specifically, it helps with lethargy but not much else on harsher cycles.

He seemingly debunked a use for Dermacrine most people don't even recommend it for. Sure, maybe it is marketed that way, but following marketing ad copy for hormonal advice is sketchy at best - remember, they have a product to sell and for you to buy, sometimes the truth is stretched.

Secondly, he then questioned if other people knew whay they were talking about when he was replied to, as if he knew it all already. How can that be, if he is the one who has the issue he is facing? If what he thought he knew was correct, this thread simply wouldn't exist.

I think it had more to do with his misunderstanding/ lack of research than anything else.

A huge fallacy that people have, and is becoming incresingly more of an issue since the internet, is that a little knowledge is like a plague. You think you understand more than you really do. I see this all the time in nutritional science where someone latches on to a tidbit of info, then base their whole lives and thought process around it, potentially not realising that it isn't as black and white as they make it seem.

In any case, the OP posted this question in July and it keeps being revived lol.
 
You clearly missed all of this important points and did not read this entire thread. Yes. Some of the responses were harsh and some may have been out of line.

Ease keep in mind the OP was on some suppressive substances and fell to 29. He then ADDED more suppressive substances and Dermacrine and his test came up about 100 points.

So his original premise was NOT proven. If anything, this is a pretty strong support for dermacrine. As said above, not many people expect the product to raise test and the OP's test not only came up, it came up while he continued to use suppressive substances.

His conclusion was wrong, he was expecting Dermacrine to do something few expect (and actually showed some small success) and bumping this thread continuously is of no value to anyone.
 
Dermacrine is the most under rated **** on the planet IMO. It is a test replacement for me. Makes me feel like im 18 again.
 
Back.
From..
Dead...
Reading this thread made my night.

And Idon'tcarewahatanyonesays..

I love Dermacrine. And..

I love you all
😙
 
Love this review from amzn:

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Reviewed in the United States on July 3, 2019

My son started using this product and it changed his personality. This product causes agitation and severe rage. I become afraid of him. Thankfully, he left the house. I can't believe this product is actually legal.
 
To be honest I think this thread was another example of "don't start a thread if your easily offended by people disagreeing with you".
 
jameschoi said:
Love this review from amzn:

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Reviewed in the United States on July 3, 2019

My son started using this product and it changed his personality. This product causes agitation and severe rage. I become afraid of him. Thankfully, he left the house. I can't believe this product is actually legal.
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Wes was texting me earlier this weekend and having a laugh about this review. I think he posted it on fb a bit later...
 
mattikus said:
Back.
From..
Dead...
Reading this thread made my night.

And Idon'tcarewahatanyonesays..

I love Dermacrine. And..

I love you all
😙
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dermacrine loves you back, and your shoulders/neck and traps too!!!
 
jameschoi said:
Love this review from amzn:

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Reviewed in the United States on July 3, 2019

My son started using this product and it changed his personality. This product causes agitation and severe rage. I become afraid of him. Thankfully, he left the house. I can't believe this product is actually legal.
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Best review ever.
 
jameschoi said:
Love this review from amzn:

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Reviewed in the United States on July 3, 2019

My son started using this product and it changed his personality. This product causes agitation and severe rage. I become afraid of him. Thankfully, he left the house. I can't believe this product is actually legal.
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lmaoo
 
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Speaking of amazon reviews, I'm guessing this one came from the OP
 
Lol these are hilarious
 
Beau said:
If you want to read great Amazon reviews -- look up Haribo Sugar Free Gummy Bears
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Dude, those are hilarious!!

I also remember from a few years ago some reviews of an 80" tv. Might have been on Ebay. Can't remember.
 
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