Deadlifts 3x8 are killing me....what do YOU do?

brownstown89 said:
amen on dieting being harder then training. and as far as deads go if your goign to light your form will suffer it wont feel quite "right". I dont know how to explain it but when im doing reps on 225,275 it doesnt feel right. Once i get to 315 and above it feels right. Regardless of where you do them i would not do 3 x 8.. find a 3 rep 5 rep and 1 rep max and do 1 working set and try to beat or manipulate your weights and reps so that your 1 rep max is eventually increased and ur back will grow.
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That's strange lol. Nice numbers though, I couldn't even rack pull that.
 
I never really seen the need to more then one hard set of deadlifts after a warm up of several sets if I deadlifted deadlifts are a unique excersize
 
bezoe said:
if your goal is size sir, wait til 2nd or 3rd exercise.. youre not gonna be doing as much weight with the deads of course, but the primary muscles used in the deadlift will be "pre-exhausted' (not enough to cause sloppy body mechanics and injury) and those muscle fibers will be torn down even more after deads. Youll be glad you were able to complete a full back workout and i guarantee you will grow.. also FYI, i do deads every other week which i feel keeps me from overtraining- you may want to consider this.. (dont take too much time off to recover as others have mentioned)
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This is asinine. Look at it from a perspsective of total poundage lifted. Say a guy does deads first. He does three working sets of 405 x 3. That is a total poundage of 3645lbs lifted. Take the same guy and have him deadlift for his third exercise as you recommend. He does three sets of 350 x 3. That's a total of 3150lbs lifted. Which figure promotes more size and strength gains? Obviously the bigger total. That's why deads are such a great exercise, just as squats are. They allow you to train with maximal poundages that other exercises just don't. If you're truly training for size and strength, putting them second or third is missing out on the true benefits of deadlifting to begin with. Deadlift first. Just my .02
 
Ironhyde said:
This is asinine. Look at it from a perspsective of total poundage lifted. Say a guy does deads first. He does three working sets of 405 x 3. That is a total poundage of 3645lbs lifted. Take the same guy and have him deadlift for his third exercise as you recommend. He does three sets of 350 x 3. That's a total of 3150lbs lifted. Which figure promotes more size and strength gains? Obviously the bigger total. That's why deads are such a great exercise, just as squats are. They allow you to train with maximal poundages that other exercises just don't. If you're truly training for size and strength, putting them second or third is missing out on the true benefits of deadlifting to begin with. Deadlift first. Just my .02
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i dont care what the total poundage lifted is. how did you reach this deduction? ill go do a thousand reps of light weight and exceed the 3645 you mentioned, and although the total volume is greater, the physiological benefits will be completely different. ill build endurance but am i gonna get hypertrophy? not a chance.. i agree that the two are great exercises because of their dynamic ability. I do them both.. unlike many half-assed bodybuilders i know. I just know its a fact that about 70-80% of your 1RM is optimal for strength and muscle building
 
Ironhyde said:
This is asinine. Look at it from a perspsective of total poundage lifted. Say a guy does deads first. He does three working sets of 405 x 3. That is a total poundage of 3645lbs lifted. Take the same guy and have him deadlift for his third exercise as you recommend. He does three sets of 350 x 3. That's a total of 3150lbs lifted. Which figure promotes more size and strength gains? Obviously the bigger total. That's why deads are such a great exercise, just as squats are. They allow you to train with maximal poundages that other exercises just don't. If you're truly training for size and strength, putting them second or third is missing out on the true benefits of deadlifting to begin with. Deadlift first. Just my .02
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i should have read it twice... im talkiing about doing sets of 8 bro. using your analogy... say that guy gets to his 3rd exercise (deads) and does 315x8x3. Thats a total of 7560 which is still more than the first figure
 
bezoe said:
did i say do them at the end? no, absolutely not that wouldnt be practical, and if my post seemed to insenuate that im sorry. I said dont do them first.. i treat deads as another compound back exercise.. im not powerlifting, its not about strength.
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well whoever asked the question i think it was chubmuffin? is NOT bodybuilding either he just repsonded earlier and said he is training for size/strength. So that being said deads should come first. Im willing to bet that he wants to have a life outside the gym and wants to be able to lift a good amount of weight and look good. Deads should come first. Now if your bodybuilding i agree deads dont have to come first. but if you want to look jacked and be strong and have a life outside the gym start with deads and go hevay it builds size.

put it this way you take person A to the gym train him your way, but you cant help him out in anway way shape or form besides in the gym. Have him do deads 2nd or 3rd or whatever your saying.

Ill take person B take him to the gym have him do deads first try to constantly add pounds to his deadlift and then the rest of the back work will come 2nd ill bet u anything person B will be bigger and stronger.
 
Rodja said:
Do them in the beginning. Start with about 10 minutes of light cardio to get the CV and CNS systems warm. Then, do dynamic stretches followed by several (3-5) sets of warm-ups. I generally don't go above 5 reps on any sets of deadlifts as it is a strength exercise and form tends to get really crappy as the erectors begin to fatigue.
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i agree as well.

warmup properly, then do your compound(deads), then accessories.

i am taking time off of deads as well, as sad as it sounds, my hands need the rest and recovery:)
 
lennoxchi said:
i was thinking the same thing, if you're doing deads the correct way, getting 8 reps would be hell unless the weight was very light, then you wouldn't be getting a good w/o anyway. maybe 6 to warm up but if i'm lifting/pulling and setting the bar down, setting my grip again and repeating by 8 reps i'd be toast. something tells me you're what we can a floor-bouncer. i have a buddy like that too, it's ok if that's how you want to do them but it's not correct. lift/pull, set the bar down, slightly let go of the bar and reset your grip and lift/pull again
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correct as well.

Deads are completed 1 rep at a time. Start from a stop on the ground, pull, lock out, then return to floor, regrip and do it again.

enjoy the burn! I love them!
 
Ironhyde said:
So I'm going to wait and do my heaviest exercise at the end of my workout when my muscles are already fatigued and this will decrese my chance for injury? What issue of M&F did you get this nonsense out of? Go ask Chuck Vogelpohl or Brian Siders or Andy Bolton where the deadlift falls in their order of exercises. I'd bet my home it isn't last.
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no ****.
 
vadox6466 said:
I meant alternate one month with deads and the next without, if you're worried about other exercises.

EDIT: or two months on, one off. something that works to your liking.
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You gotta better chance of stealing crack from Whitney Houston than taking my deadlifts away from me
 
brownstown89 said:
well whoever asked the question i think it was chubmuffin? is NOT bodybuilding either he just repsonded earlier and said he is training for size/strength. So that being said deads should come first. Im willing to bet that he wants to have a life outside the gym and wants to be able to lift a good amount of weight and look good. Deads should come first. Now if your bodybuilding i agree deads dont have to come first. but if you want to look jacked and be strong and have a life outside the gym start with deads and go hevay it builds size.

put it this way you take person A to the gym train him your way, but you cant help him out in anway way shape or form besides in the gym. Have him do deads 2nd or 3rd or whatever your saying.

Ill take person B take him to the gym have him do deads first try to constantly add pounds to his deadlift and then the rest of the back work will come 2nd ill bet u anything person B will be bigger and stronger.
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Chubbinmuffin said to do them last which i totally disagree with. The OP never stated his goal, he just wanted to be able to do a full back workout following DL's. I never said not to continually add weight to the deadlift.. i just disagree with doing them first thing at 3 reps if you want size. You said if size and strength are the goals? You don't think a person will get stronger by not doing them first? Are powerlifters bigger and more jacked than bodybuilders? NO. They are stronger because they train to increase their max lift by doing sets of 3-5 reps.. I am speaking in terms of bodybuilding.. im not sure what the OP is aspiring to... and your scenario is arbitrary.
 
bezoe said:
Chubbinmuffin said to do them last which i totally disagree with. The OP never stated his goal, he just wanted to be able to do a full back workout following DL's. I never said not to continually add weight to the deadlift.. i just disagree with doing them first thing at 3 reps if you want size. You said if size and strength are the goals? You don't think a person will get stronger by not doing them first? Are powerlifters bigger and more jacked than bodybuilders? NO. They are stronger because they train to increase their max lift by doing sets of 3-5 reps.. I am speaking in terms of bodybuilding.. im not sure what the OP is aspiring to... and your scenario is arbitrary.
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ahh i thought chubmuffin was the original poster... and i guess in my scenario what im trying to say is...

Sure if you do the whole bodybuilding lifestyle.. going to bed in time sleeping enough every night eating precise amounts of cals,carbs,protien,fats every night and work back the way your saying you would obviously see results..

what im saying is if you want to have a life and be pretty damn big too, deadlift first and heavy strive to add weight to the bar and then do the rest of your back work, and eating you can do watever as long as its not complete **** and you can enjoy life and be jacked too. look at guys like wendler, tate, kroc , etc... they live normal lifes lift heavy **** and are pretty F'n jacked....
 
I'm the OP, and yesterday did 3 sets of 6 reps at 425 deads after a warm up, then did one arm DB bent over rows instead of BB, and that helped a good bit, since I could hold myself up with my other arm on the bench :D

2 less reps made a wee bit of difference, but I'll do pull ups and pull downs probably tomorrow after legs, since today I'll do chest, then I'll have a few days off before the next back day rolls around.

I'm trying to get a little bit bigger now but mostly lean out, since winter bulking is done and gone. I like my back except for my lats which could be wider, but don't wanna not do deadlifts. But I don't wanna skip out on other stuff to help the lats, either.

Thanks everybody!!
 
brownstown89 said:
ahh i thought chubmuffin was the original poster... and i guess in my scenario what im trying to say is...

Sure if you do the whole bodybuilding lifestyle.. going to bed in time sleeping enough every night eating precise amounts of cals,carbs,protien,fats every night and work back the way your saying you would obviously see results..

what im saying is if you want to have a life and be pretty damn big too, deadlift first and heavy strive to add weight to the bar and then do the rest of your back work, and eating you can do watever as long as its not complete **** and you can enjoy life and be jacked too. look at guys like wendler, tate, kroc , etc... they live normal lifes lift heavy **** and are pretty F'n jacked....
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you can grow without doing all those meticulous things... but i see your point
 
bezoe said:
you can grow without doing all those meticulous things... but i see your point
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yea i think i just got stuck in the powerlifting mantality that there is no way if ur weights keeping going up that you wont be jacked..

but im not into the whole dunkin dounut break fast and eating fast food and complete **** 3 x a day either lol
 
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