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I use gloves deadlifting because its not practical or affordable for me to use chalk. Would i be able to lift more or less with chalk or would it make little difference?
actually, gloves will help your grip strength a ton. It will lower your dl numbers but it forces your grip to work harder to hold onto the bar.yeah... chalk is pretty cheap... I recommend it. Gloves will just reduce your grip strength.
everything I have read says the opposite. I hate wearing gloves. It feels unnatural.actually, gloves will help your grip strength a ton. It will lower your dl numbers but it forces your grip to work harder to hold onto the bar.
x2, and calluses are a sign of hard work.everything I have read says the opposite. I hate wearing gloves. It feels unnatural.
same with blood. Man up and work on grip strength. with a little work you shouldnt have any problems holding on.x2, and calluses are a sign of hard work.
You can always soak em and file em easy enough if they become uncomfortable. I only had to do this once and since then they've never hurt.Yea, I like deadlifting no gloves better although the pain and calluses suck but real woman like hard working men.
This is incorrect. Gloves aid your grip, therefore taking away from your natural grip strength.actually, gloves will help your grip strength a ton. It will lower your dl numbers but it forces your grip to work harder to hold onto the bar.
gloves aid your grip? How? I have a competiton dead of 606# and my last strongman show I did 305# per hand farmer holds for 33 seconds so I do have a small clue how to work the grip.....This is incorrect. Gloves aid your grip, therefore taking away from your natural grip strength.
Gloves don't aid your grip.This is incorrect. Gloves aid your grip, therefore taking away from your natural grip strength.
Do you mean the ladies you pick up on the corner on friday night after payday? I dont know if they count as real women man....Yea, I like deadlifting no gloves better although the pain and calluses suck but real woman like hard working men.
ownedDo you mean the ladies you pick up on the corner on friday night after payday? I dont know if they count as real women man....
I agree kinda... eventually your grip will give out before you back does so instead of cutting your workout short, use some straps. IMO this is the only ok reason to use straps.Deadlifts are an exercise that works the full body, with an exception to lifts that aren't utilized to full potential like the chest; however, with this in mind each muscle group should progress in the deadlift. With this in mind, IMO you should avoid hand straps and just use chalk and develop your grip in proportion to your deadlift.
When our triceps gives out bench presses we don't switch to a smith machine, we strengthen the triceps for overall development in which is the advantage a compound movements gives us to begin with.I agree kinda... eventually your grip will give out before you back does so instead of cutting your workout short, use some straps. IMO this is the only ok reason to use straps.
As much as i do agree with this, i will say for a non powerlifter i would probably recommend straps at a point. I would probably pull with an over over grip if i was not a competitor, this would make straps a necessity at some point. Over under has a lot of potential for injury.When our triceps gives out bench presses we don't switch to a smith machine, we strengthen the triceps for overall development in which is the advantage a compound movements gives us to begin with.
Grip strength is a significant part of a deadlift, it also can be categorized as functional strength seeing it has potential carryover into the real world. Deadlift strength is about strengthening the entire body and growing as a whole, not picking out your favorite bodypart and abandoning the ones that aren't enhancing in their ability to generate more force.
With this in mind, the proper approach would be strengthening the grip by utilization of the grip strength in specialized grip movements.
I've never heard of this and I'm not disagreeing with it but could you elabortae on how it has potential for injury?Over under has a lot of potential for injury.
yes.When our triceps gives out bench presses we don't switch to a smith machine, we strengthen the triceps for overall development in which is the advantage a compound movements gives us to begin with.
Grip strength is a significant part of a deadlift, it also can be categorized as functional strength seeing it has potential carryover into the real world. Deadlift strength is about strengthening the entire body and growing as a whole, not picking out your favorite bodypart and abandoning the ones that aren't enhancing in their ability to generate more force.
With this in mind, the proper approach would be strengthening the grip by utilization of the grip strength in specialized grip movements.
One of the most common injuries in powerlifting is a torn bicep tendon from the under hand in the deadlift. Also do not lift over under with straps, it also puts the tendon in a vulnerable position. If you are going to use straps go over over. I never understood why anyone would go over under with straps as the whole point of the mixed grip is to hold more weight.I've never heard of this and I'm not disagreeing with it but could you elabortae on how it has potential for injury?
Agree completely. Let's do a reality check here as well. Are there really that many people that are so strong that they have to use straps to hold onto the weights they can pull? In my opinion, if you need straps to hold onto a DL of less than 700 lbs., you need to do some grip work. If you are worried about a mixed grip causing an "imbalance", switch your over and under hands every set so you get equal work each way. If you are Ronnie Coleman and doing reps with 800 and you don't want to risk tearing a bicep, I'll give you a pass. But really, how many people are actually approaching that level?When our triceps gives out bench presses we don't switch to a smith machine, we strengthen the triceps for overall development in which is the advantage a compound movements gives us to begin with.
Grip strength is a significant part of a deadlift, it also can be categorized as functional strength seeing it has potential carryover into the real world. Deadlift strength is about strengthening the entire body and growing as a whole, not picking out your favorite bodypart and abandoning the ones that aren't enhancing in their ability to generate more force.
With this in mind, the proper approach would be strengthening the grip by utilization of the grip strength in specialized grip movements.
Agree completely. Let's do a reality check here as well. Are there really that many people that are so strong that they have to use straps to hold onto the weights they can pull? In my opinion, if you need straps to hold onto a DL of less than 700 lbs., you need to do some grip work. If you are worried about a mixed grip causing an "imbalance", switch your over and under hands every set so you get equal work each way. If you are Ronnie Coleman and doing reps with 800 and you don't want to risk tearing a bicep, I'll give you a pass. But really, how many people are actually approaching that level?
I hope no one here is "that guy" who uses straps to do pulldowns with 150 lbs.
Sure you can tear your bicep with less than 800, but most of the time it's due to bending the arms with a mixed grip, not necessarily the mixed grip itself. It's probably more important for beginners and intermediates to learn to pull correctly with the arms straight than to worry about straps. If you are reasonably advanced and want to use straps it's fine. I think it gets out of hand when everyone who pulls more than 3 plates thinks they have to use straps. I've also seen some who started using straps early in their training "career" really struggle when they decided later on to compete and not use the straps.You can tear a bicep from hitching your arm, you don't need 800 lbs. Not to mention i don't know too many people who can pull any weight switching their mixed grip.
I persoally don't see the need for a gym goer to be able to grip a 700lb deadlift. I know a few bodybuilders who have decent deadlifts, have great forearm development, but use straps to pull. I Just don't see them missing out on any development because of it.but if you go in to the gym for a back workout and your grip fails before your back while you are deadlifting should you stop deadlifting or use less weight... why wouldn't you just use straps until your grip catches up...
thats true and I agree but even with a lesser weight why cut your back workout short because your grip can't hold up?I persoally don't see the need for a gym goer to be able to grip a 700lb deadlift. I know a few bodybuilders who have decent deadlifts, have great forearm development, but use straps to pull. I Just don't see them missing out on any development because of it.
That's fine. The problem is that many people never have their grip catch up because they don't do the extra grip work and they start using straps at a pretty low weight. Don't cut the workout short, but do extra work to correct the grip strength problem.but if you go in to the gym for a back workout and your grip fails before your back while you are deadlifting should you stop deadlifting or use less weight... why wouldn't you just use straps until your grip catches up...
This is a good point. I prefer to go over/over as much as possilbe to pull in more utillization of the lats.I never understood why anyone would go over under with straps as the whole point of the mixed grip is to hold more weight.
why not do some hand grips, plate pinches, or heavy dumbell holds after your deadlift?thats true and I agree but even with a lesser weight why cut your back workout short because your grip can't hold up?
Because it was suppose to have been a day in dedication to specific back exercises, not grip work.why not do some hand grips, plate pinches, or heavy dumbell holds after your deadlift?
yeah, i kind of forgot we are in a powerlifting section, lol. When is your next meet?Since this is the powerlifting/strongman section, I assume most here are interested in being/becoming as strong as possible. The "average" person in the gym can do whatever they want.
are you serious? a whole day dedicated to grip work? thats like having a hole day dedicated to calves or biceps lol! I have a 150 lb hand gripper laying on my desk and when i feel like blasting a few reps with it i do. I do grip work every other week at the end of my back day.Because it was suppose to have been a day in dedication to specific back exercises, not grip work.
I'm looking at trying to do something in the fall. I'll be traveling a bit in the summer, so it's hard to do anything then with the interuptions in training.yeah, i kind of forgot we are in a powerlifting section, lol. When is your next meet?
Use a mixed grip and chalk all you want. Those are legal in all competitions so I encourage people to use those tools. People in low weight classes still don't get to use straps in competition.im going to try to pull 440 this week thursday probably and i used mix grip and straps only use straps for my heaviest set. or if im going for a PR the last two heaviest sets.. ex..
135 x 5
225 x 3
285 x 3
315 x 1
375 x 1 straps and mixed
430 x 1 straps mixed.
speed days i go forward forward no straps, DB holds and Shrugs without straps.. etc.. i wouldnt use gloves as i dropped gloves and within 2 weeks my deads went up..
I feel like my deadlift is legit using straps becuase sure it might add 10-15 pounds but thats the only lift i use straps for the rest of the heavy pull downs etc.. no straps.. grip strength is behind but not too far behind..
and to whoever mentioned ronnie coleman DL 800 yea hes also roided and hgh out the ass, and not to mention he himself is 300 pounds or close to it..
so ppl that wanna stay in a low weight class should just not use straps chalk or mixed grip cuz ronnie coleman doesnt? theres weight clases for a reason
yea i workout at golds so theyre really cool about most things except chalk.. if im using chalk and not straps the difference was 5 pounds more with straps then chalk with deads so thats no big deal...Use a mixed grip and chalk all you want. Those are legal in all competitions so I encourage people to use those tools. People in low weight classes still don't get to use straps in competition.
I don't mean this to sound harsh, but there's no way you should need straps to pull in the 400's. I've seen plenty of small guys pull up to 600+ and hold it just fine. It sounds like you are moving the right direction, so keep doing the extra grip work with the goal of getting rid of the straps. If you are only getting 10-15 lbs. out of the straps, it shouldn't be that difficult to get rid of them.
This is assuming you have a decent bar and can use chalk. I know a bar with really crappy knurling can make things next to impossible. If the gym doesn't like the chalk mess, consider getting some liquid chalk.
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