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Oh no! I'm eating beef - a proven mass maker!! Come arrest me, DEA. I'm a terrible human being. Shiiiiiii......t.

This kind of thing is just stupid. They can't figure out which lousy crack dealer on the corner is selling the most smack to babies, so they go after something that sounds a bit more lively. Honestly, wtf???

Last time I heard, 'roid use was not a gateway to heroine addiction, rape, tax evasion, or cattle rustling. Never touched the stuff myself (in all honesty), but the whole drama over this stuff is pure crap. Sure, ban things that are healthy for us and benefit our bodies. Nevermind that too much broccoli from my local growers may eventually lead to liver damage due to the "safe" chemicals they use on it to kill off insects, fungal infections, and invasive plant species. Nevermind that there's more dangerous stuff in a glass of tap water. Nevermind that I "rage" while driving to work in the morning listening to Mudvayne and some young punk in an Eclipse cuts me off doing about 100 and me in my Intrepid going 80 can't keep up to block his arse...

IMO, there are bigger fish to fry. I've said this in another post. If you're going to ban anything...BAN FAST FOOD!!!! BAN OBESE PEOPLE FROM LARGE GROCERY BILLS!!!! BAN DRUNK PEOPLE FROM USING A CREDIT CARD AT THE LIQUOR STORE!!!! BAN YOURSELF, CONGRESS - JUST FOR SHEER STUPIDITY!!!!

And just for laughs, in case they're watching - some trip words for 'em... Infidle, Bmob, Deaht... Filter that, feds. Then stop by my house - I've got an American Flag collection you'll love.

Geesh...
 
timdull2 said:
Oh no! I'm eating beef - a proven mass maker!! Come arrest me, DEA. I'm a terrible human being. Shiiiiiii......t.

This kind of thing is just stupid. They can't figure out which lousy crack dealer on the corner is selling the most smack to babies, so they go after something that sounds a bit more lively. Honestly, wtf???

Last time I heard, 'roid use was not a gateway to heroine addiction, rape, tax evasion, or cattle rustling. Never touched the stuff myself (in all honesty), but the whole drama over this stuff is pure crap. Sure, ban things that are healthy for us and benefit our bodies. Nevermind that too much broccoli from my local growers may eventually lead to liver damage due to the "safe" chemicals they use on it to kill off insects, fungal infections, and invasive plant species. Nevermind that there's more dangerous stuff in a glass of tap water. Nevermind that I "rage" while driving to work in the morning listening to Mudvayne and some young punk in an Eclipse cuts me off doing about 100 and me in my Intrepid going 80 can't keep up to block his arse...

IMO, there are bigger fish to fry. I've said this in another post. If you're going to ban anything...BAN FAST FOOD!!!! BAN OBESE PEOPLE FROM LARGE GROCERY BILLS!!!! BAN DRUNK PEOPLE FROM USING A CREDIT CARD AT THE LIQUOR STORE!!!! BAN YOURSELF, CONGRESS - JUST FOR SHEER STUPIDITY!!!!

And just for laughs, in case they're watching - some trip words for 'em... Infidle, Bmob, Deaht... Filter that, feds. Then stop by my house - I've got an American Flag collection you'll love.

Geesh...
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lmfao I was thinking the same thing about banning food while I was at the gym. It enhances performance and muscle hypertrophy omgwtf!!!!!
 
Stupidest part about this is the "yay! We got a gear dealer in Thailand/China. Let's pat outselves on the back!"

Meanwhile - Osama is still on the loose.

Someone explain that sh*t to me.
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jmh80 said:
Stupidest part about this is the "yay! We got a gear dealer in Thailand/China. Let's pat outselves on the back!"

Meanwhile - Osama is still on the loose.

Someone explain that sh*t to me.
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Because people think the war on drugs is a war that can be won.

But what people don't realize is about the only crime committed with steroids is the actual possession. If it weren't a crime to possess them, there would be no crime committed in aquiring them. I don't think I've ever once read, or know someone that has robbed a 7-11 so they could go get some gear.

And you know, with all the millions of cases of roid rage that have been documented...

I do however know (of) people that got involved with meth, robbery, etc. Several in fact. Child neglect, spousal abuse all that wonderfulness that follows.
 
The War on Drugs will NEVER be won.

Anyone who believes it will be is in denial and/or lives in a dream world.
 
aspire210 said:
west coast customs is much more strict than east coast, hence most powder guys wouldn't ship west coast so most labs were on the east coast.
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i thought so. seems guys on the east never get seized. getting things international to the west is alot harder. Nice to see someone back this up.
 
What we need is another administration in office. One with different priorities than invading our privacy which no longer exists. We have all been scared into believing, or buying into there fear propaganda. Pumping fear into our ears is the only way they are able to get away with all there illegal, hypocritical bull****. You know the same people who preach that they are holier than thou are the same individuals reaching under your toilet stall. Change the direction change the priorities.
 
preston25 said:
What we need is another administration in office. One with different priorities than invading our privacy which no longer exists. We have all been scared into believing, or buying into there fear propaganda. Pumping fear into our ears is the only way they are able to get away with all there illegal, hypocritical bull****. You know the same people who preach that they are holier than thou are the same individuals reaching under your toilet stall. Change the direction change the priorities.
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:goodposting: i mean :goodpost: (gosh i guess i dont remember the emoticons well today)
seriously i could think of a million other things that dont get attention like they should. the war on drugs....haha a losing war, no matter how many busts they do. It is necessary but there is a point when you have to stop and look at the lower class. We could go on a whole 'nother topic about bush and the terrorism....i have my conspiracy theories...
 
how does this affect the stuff being sold to some of use? Epi, MDrol etc....
 
jomi822 said:
and do you know what i can do about this?

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. TAKE IT UP THE ****ING TAILPIPE. there is nothing wrong with my lifestyle whatsoever. but because i use steroids my life can be ruined. so much for the sanctity of the law
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Couldn't agree more.
 
Anyone else think this was the domino that brought the rest down. I believe his sentence was reduced, considering the charges.
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Sorry about the ranting, or posting. Whatev! Im just pissed. All the money spent on basically harmless drugs when people are dying everyday from drugs like meth. Though the war on drugs has always been a joke.
 
Police Bust 'Steroid Guru' In Canton


(CBS4)
Feb 21, 2006


CANTON - A Canton man, known as the 'Steroid Guru', will be arraigned Tuesday on drug and weapons charges.



Federal and local investigators arrested 37-year-old Bruce Kneller, of 735 Randolph Street, and seized more than 100,000 suspected steroid pills, ten guns and other materials.


Kneller will be charged in Stoughton District Court with possession with intent to distribute steroids, ten counts of unlawful possession of a firearm, unlawful possession of ammunition, and violating a Drug Free School Zone.



Kneller pleaded not guilty in Stoughton District Court Tuesday morning. Kneller is expected to make bail.


Prosecutors say Kneller's writings on steroids and other performance-enhancing supplements are widely available online.


The investigation was a joint venture by the U.S. Postal Inspectors, Massachusetts state police, the FDA and the Canton police department.


Investigators allege Kneller was making the pills himself and then distributing them.


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Arrest is called first in Web steroids ring


DA says drugs sold to bodybuilders


By Maria Cramer and Kathleen Burge
The Boston Globe
February 22, 2006


CANTON -- In the kitchen of his nondescript Canton apartment, Bruce Kneller packaged tens of thousands of illegal steroid pills he then shipped to Internet customers around the country, Norfolk County prosecutors said yesterday.


Federal and local authorities say they seized 100,000 suspected steroid tablets and 10 firearms from Kneller's home after his arrest on Friday -- the first raid in a two-year investigation into what authorities say is a nationwide steroid manufacturing and distributing ring that advertised discreetly on the Internet.


Yesterday, Kneller, 37, stood quietly in a Stoughton District courtroom in a suit and black overcoat as a plea of not guilty was entered on his behalf to charges including drug possession with intent to distribute and 10 counts of unlawful possession of a firearm.


Kneller, described by authorities as a former registered nurse and a self-employed import-export businessman, is accused of distributing the drugs to consumers who ordered them via e-mail and sent cash payments wrapped in aluminum foil to addresses in California. Authorities said the ring has made hundreds of thousands of dollars by marketing the drugs in gyms and on legitimate websites for bodybuilders.


To build their case, federal authorities said, they ordered illegal steroids over the Internet from e-mail addresses linked to Kneller. Authorities said they are continuing to investigate.


Officials said they do not know of any well-known athletes among customers. Two customers who were listed in court documents declined to talk about Kneller or his company.


''We do think there is a tremendous public safety issue attached to this," Norfolk District Attorney William R. Keating said yesterday. ''This case will provide, I think, a very rare opportunity to see just how these kinds of illegal Internet steroid distribution businesses work."


Illegal steroids and other performance-enhancing drugs have made international headlines in big-time sports with baseball stars, including slugger Mark McGwire, testifying before Congress last year. Professional sports leagues have since instituted stricter drug testing policies. The investigation that led to Kneller's arrest also involves US postal inspectors, the federal Food and Drug Administration, and the Canton police.


Kneller's lawyer denied the allegations, calling his client a family man with solid roots in the Canton area. ''He's born and raised here," said lawyer Edward Sharkansky. ''He's got family here. This is his home."


Kneller's parents and his wife sat in the courtroom yesterday during the arraignment. They declined to speak to reporters afterward. In the basement of the courthouse, near the detention room, Kneller's mother comforted her daughter-in-law, her head against hers, one arm draped around her shoulder.


Authorities said Kneller had not registered the weapons in Massachusetts. Keating said he does not believe the guns are connected to the alleged drug operation. Kneller is also charged with unlawful possession of ammunition, and drug possession near a school.


Asked why thousands of suspected steroid pills were found in his client's home, Sharkansky said the answer would be fleshed out during trial. ''I don't have an explanation," he said.


Kneller is accused of working for a drug operation that advertised itself as Red Star Laboratories, which customers could find by searching on the Internet.


Customers were directed to an e-mail address that offered them price lists and products, typically $75 for a bottle of pills. To order, they used a second address. They were instructed to send money to one of six addresses in the San Diego area.


Prosecutors said Kneller received steroid pills, including some growth hormones designed for farm animals, from as far away as China and possibly as close as New Jersey. He then repackaged the pills that included Anadrol, Polysteron, and Masteron; wrapped them in labels that advertised them as Red Star Laboratories products; and sent them to customers by mail, prosecutors said. They said it is possible that Kneller mixed compounds to make some of the steroid pills.








Kneller, who was sometimes described as a chemist in online publications, has been a frequent, opinionated contributor to bodybuilding websites, including Testosterone Nation and MuscleMag International, often discussing in technical detail the pros and cons of various steroids and diet supplements. He wrote colorfully, sometimes with abundant expletives, describing his passion for Harley-Davidson motorcycles, high-performance cars, bull mastiffs, and sex.


But at Blue Hills Village, the quiet apartment complex on Randolph Street in Canton where Kneller lives, neighbors said he was a friendly, polite man who never bothered anyone and lived peacefully with his wife. Several were shocked to learn of the allegations against Kneller.


''My jaw just kind of dropped," said Lisa Miller, 34, who lives below Kneller's second floor apartment. ''It's scary. . . . I don't think it's really hit me yet."


Kneller, who is not a bodybuilder but wrote once about his struggle to lose 25 pounds quickly, often used the pen name ''Brock Strasser" in online magazines. Those who know him from the world of bodybuilding supplements describe him as an intelligent writer who liked to provoke controversy.


In a 1998 column for Testosterone Nation, the credit line described him as holding a degree in nursing and working at a biopharmaceutical company in Cambridge. The article said he had researched diet supplements for more than 10 years and worked in drug development for more than four years.


Stephen Schmitz of Bedford met Kneller years ago when both worked at a biotech company. Yesterday, he said he was surprised to hear about the charges. ''I don't believe that the charges are true," he said. ''Bruce is a very bright guy."


In October, the Washington Post paid a researcher to test diet supplements, including two made by Applied Lifescience Research Industries Inc., a Las Vegas company linked to another supplement company, Gaspari Nutrition in Neptune, N.J., for which Kneller was a consultant. After the Post reported that the researcher found steroids in the ALRI supplements, Kneller and an ALRI official responded in an open letter to the Post.


''None of the compounds we have developed and currently market are in current violation of any controlled substance act at either the federal or state level," they wrote.


The company, however, stopped making the supplements.




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‘Guru’ boasted on ’Net of Chinese connection


Laura Crimaldi
Boston Herald
February 22, 2006


E-mail article View text version View most popular Just four months before his arrest on charges he was running a steroid distribution center that reached bodybuilders nationwide, the man prosecutors labeled the “steroid guru” boasted he traveled to China to handpick supplements.


“Last year I was in China more than I was in the United States,” said Bruce Kneller during an Oct. 14, 2005, interview broadcast live on bodybuilding.com.


In the interview, Kneller talks about how he travels to China with his wife, a Chinese national, to select his products.


A registered nurse in Massachusetts from 1997 to 2000, Kneller was billed as a chemist during the broadcast.


“What we are ordering and designing is what they are actually getting . . . The quality of the manufacturing plant is akin to something you’d find in the United States. You’d be surprised. In some of these Third World countries how dirty and unclean. It’s not what you really would expect from a plant that’s manufacturing pharmaceutical ingredients,” Kneller said.



Kneller was interviewed alongside Rich Gaspari of Gaspari Nutrition. A label for Oxavar, a pro-anabolic agent sold by New Jersey-based Gaspari Nutrition, was among the items seized by investigators searching Kneller’s Canton apartment.


Aside from working as a staff columnist for Muscular Development Magazine, Kneller also wrote for Muscle Media and Testosterone Magazine. His family declined comment yesterday at Stoughton District Court.




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Bust reveals steroid lab


By Laura Crimaldi
The Boston Herald
February 22, 2006


A bodybuilding guru who allegedly transformed his Canton apartment into what officials called the nation’s “largest underground steroid lab” was arraigned yesterday as a part of an ongoing probe into the Internet’s rampant steroid black market.



Bruce W. Kneller, 37, a former nurse and staff columnist for Muscular Development Magazine, is accused of manufacturing and processing thousands of shipments of anabolic steroids made from materials from as far away as China for customers from coast to coast, said Norfolk County District Attorney William R. Keating.


Operating as Red Star Laboratories, Kneller tapped into an e-mail network of steroid-hungry bodybuilders who would shell out about $75 a bottle for pills of Winstrol, Dianabol, Equipoise, Anadrol and the erectile-dysfunction medicine Cialis, prosecutors said. The outfit even bragged in advertising that none of the 15,000 shipments handled by the operation had been intercepted in seven years, prosecutors said.


“This whole veneer of respectability — calling themselves a lab, marketing themselves to bodybuilders and using the Internet — that poses the greatest danger,” said Keating. He said some of the materials seized were intended for heifers.


A search of Kneller’s apartment allegedly uncovered more than 1,600 bottles of suspected steroid pills and Cialis — many of which were packaged in unmarked containers, 10 firearms including a .38-caliber Smith & Wesson revolver and Browning 12-gauge shotgun and Glock 9 mm semiautomatic handgun, Red Star Laboratory product labels, Chinese and U.S. currency, three Chinese swords and brass knuckles.


Customers would e-mail Kneller at [email protected] for a price list and then be put in contact with a second man in California for payment instructions. Payments were required to be made in cash wrapped in aluminum foil. Kneller shipped the items from a Randolph post office under fake return addresses, prosecutors said.


U.S. Postal Inspector Stephen Dowd said this is the first arrest in a steroid ring which has ties to 18 states, including Massachusetts.


Kneller was freed on $25,000 bail after his arraignment at Stoughton District Court. His defense attorney downplayed the charges.


“This is what this case is about — it’s about misdemeanor steroid charges and firearms paperwork that are not up to date,” said defense attorney Edward Sharkansky.
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I don't think it would be too unfair to call a duck a duck, especially if he's quacking. 2-3 years was his sentence, right? I think we have found the key government informant for the latest string of arrests.
 
slow-mun said:
I don't think it would be too unfair to call a duck a duck, especially if he's quacking. 2-3 years was his sentence, right? I think we have found the key government informant for the latest string of arrests.
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Putting this mildly (just my opinion, of course), it's uncool to speculate openly about what other people may or may not have done without any actual facts. To put it more harshly, it's potentially libelous, and I don't think you, or any other poster on this board, really wants to go there.
 
the Cardinal said:
Putting this mildly (just my opinion, of course), it's uncool to speculate openly about what other people may or may not have done without any actual facts. To put it more harshly, it's potentially libelous, and I don't think you, or any other poster on this board, really wants to go there.
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Dude.. he's speculating and is allowed to, it's not your concern, honestly.
 
RisingAgainst said:
Dude.. he's speculating and is allowed to, it's not your concern, honestly.
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And it's more your concern? Duuude...of course he's "allowed to" - just like someone else is "allowed to" sue the pants off of him! GTFU!

Honestly, I couldn't care less if someone does something reckless and ens up paying the price - literally. But on the off chance that the poster didn't recognize that someone might conclude that he had crossed a legal bright line, I thought I'd try to do him a favor by mentioning the obvious.
 
is there any truth to the list of busted suppliers circulating? i dont see how anyone could know that information yet...
 
People thinking one person sparked this whole deal need to take a step back and look at the current situation. The majority of the labs that were busted were open sourcing on public web boards.

If you got onto a board, which wasn't hard, all you had to do was hang around for a while... be a good bro, and you could get a source. Gear boards have been around since the mid 90's and it was well known back then that there were lots of LE's patrolling the boards. Everyone was very cautious of what they were doing and everyone was being safe.

With the internet blowing up and everyone getting online, people became reckless as hell... the LE agents that were online 10 years ago are still online today, but the scene just gotten sloppy as ****. If you can log into a board and see a section dedicated to "APPROVED SOURCES" its only a matter of time before something happens. And it happened.

Regardless of you feelings on the situation, the sources were recklessly breaking laws. It was only a matter of time.
 
dsw222 said:
is there any truth to the list of busted suppliers circulating? i dont see how anyone could know that information yet...
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They are all pretty much confirmed. The majority of them were open sources on SSB and SSB gave up the admin rights to LE.
 
GFH said:
They are all pretty much confirmed. The majority of them were open sources on SSB and SSB gave up the admin rights to LE.
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So assuming one placed an order or two from one of these sources? I doubt they would look further into it, unless the order was for thousands of dollars worth of gear, right?
 
the DEA has fed, ruined the lives of many and inconvienced thousands of others.

hopefully they are now fat and self-justified enough to now let the trade resume. in fact, thats probably exactly what will happen. they dont want to wipe it out completely, then who will they **** over again in 10 years?
 
dsw222 said:
So assuming one placed an order or two from one of these sources? I doubt they would look further into it, unless the order was for thousands of dollars worth of gear, right?
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'They' want the big guns, sorry for the pun, they are trying to shut down the whole business completely. 'They'' are trying to stop the import of illegal substances, 'they' did also find illegal drugs with the steroids right? This is only fuel for the fire that is raging. 'They' think the war on drugs can be won just like the war on terror can be won. All because illegal supplements have been found in sports and entertainment, plus the hundreds or thousands of families who have lost children and blame steroids. Those 'kids', and I say kids because they were too young and uneducated, shouldn't have touched them in the first place, didn't take them properly, and probably didn't know what pct stood for. How does this affect me? It affects a sport I love and competitors that I look up to. 'They' have to get their crap together.
 
jomi822 said:
the DEA has fed, ruined the lives of many and inconvienced thousands of others.

hopefully they are now fat and self-justified enough to now let the trade resume. in fact, thats probably exactly what will happen. they dont want to wipe it out completely, then who will they **** over again in 10 years?
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met as well move
 
the Cardinal said:
Putting this mildly (just my opinion, of course), it's uncool to speculate openly about what other people may or may not have done without any actual facts. To put it more harshly, it's potentially libelous, and I don't think you, or any other poster on this board, really wants to go there.
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There's alot of things that are uncool. One of them I was speculating on. I doubt I'll be sued for libel for a couple of years(depends on good behavior). Then again, I think my little posts would've been one of the smallest things that would have damaged his reputation. :think:. Can you agree on that? BTW, I believe that BK was brilliant in his own way. I also believe that the current eyes on the industry's grey market may have been prompted by him. He had alot of information to be given(Sourcing raws in China, grey market supplements, how online steroid sources operate, etc.). He actually ran an online operation like those that were busted. Make any sense yet?
 
BTW, my speculation is the result of reading the very dismal and bleak posts by BK(before he went to jail) concerning the grey market side of sports supplements. He seemed to allude that everything was going to be over soon and that only he knew the exact nature of its severity.
 
slow-mun said:
I was trying to refrain from using "snitch." That would've been libelous.
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You were actually very kind IMO! Call it what you want, but there's some reason he only got two years and everybody else is getting 5-20, plus he stated many times that something was coming, but tried blaming it on the Olympics or some crap like that.

Also, I don't think slang terms or general speculation are libelous. Time will prove what happened, but it would not surprise me one bit if you are correct in your speculations, if I understand what you may be saying and if you understand what I might be saying.
 
GFH said:
People thinking one person sparked this whole deal need to take a step back and look at the current situation. The majority of the labs that were busted were open sourcing on public web boards.

If you got onto a board, which wasn't hard, all you had to do was hang around for a while... be a good bro, and you could get a source. Gear boards have been around since the mid 90's and it was well known back then that there were lots of LE's patrolling the boards. Everyone was very cautious of what they were doing and everyone was being safe.

With the internet blowing up and everyone getting online, people became reckless as hell... the LE agents that were online 10 years ago are still online today, but the scene just gotten sloppy as ****. If you can log into a board and see a section dedicated to "APPROVED SOURCES" its only a matter of time before something happens. And it happened.

Regardless of you feelings on the situation, the sources were recklessly breaking laws. It was only a matter of time.
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I don't believe one person sparked the whole thing, but I think one person might have made the DEA's job a hell of alot easier. Especially someone who-

1.Knew China's steroidal powder industry better than anyone else.
2.Operated an online steroid company.
3.Designed hormonal supplements.
4.Knew the grey market side of popular sports supplements.
5.Was facing several decades of jail time, yet only received a few years.

Can anyone else tell me who else would have possibly contributed to the DEA's cause better than that? I'm just trying to get others to think about the current situation and some of the events that have led up to them. I've yet to directly accuse anyone.
 
this sh*t sucks... all the gear is gonna get dirtier once the good suppliers are gone
 
sublimejeh said:
this sh*t sucks... all the gear is gonna get dirtier once the good suppliers are gone
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again, thanks for keeping me safe DEA!!

enjoy the millions in back taxes you will be picked up from the people you arrested.

anyone notice how in every single article something about searching for the names of professional athletes was mentioned? since when are government agencies enforcing professional athletic rules?

i hope these jerk offs get cancer
 
I wonder how serious they are about going after the "average" consumers they have on some of these labs lists and intercepted emails :/
 
sublimejeh said:
I wonder how serious they are about going after the "average" consumers they have on some of these labs lists and intercepted emails :/
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Given the sheer volume of business that these labs did, I wouldn't suspect that they would come down on the patrons of these labs. That is of course unless there are certain patrons that have a history of purchasing obsene quantities, then they might swoop in and save the day like the heros they are. I can't imagine though that these labs would keep very extensive records on past transactions in order to protect theirselves and their consumers... who knows what will come of all this nonsense.

We have previously deported illegal aliens who have been repeatedly deported as a result of violent crimes, sexual offenses and drug trafficking (the dangerous kind) coming across our borders everyday without worry and commiting the same crimes that got them deported before and yet, our government prefers to skirt the issue and turn their backs on arguably the #1 concern for this nation: Protecting our nation by securing our borders!!! If we get attacked again, where do you think they will enter the U.S from??

I don't understand how busting steroid labs cracking down on performance enhancing hormones has taken precedance over the welfare and security of the citizens of the U.S

I wonder how many tax dollars were spent on this ridiculous escapade?? This is all very unfortunate!!
 
preston25 said:
What we need is another administration in office. One with different priorities than invading our privacy which no longer exists. We have all been scared into believing, or buying into there fear propaganda. Pumping fear into our ears is the only way they are able to get away with all there illegal, hypocritical bull****. You know the same people who preach that they are holier than thou are the same individuals reaching under your toilet stall. Change the direction change the priorities.
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Dude I don't want to turn this intoo a political discussion but you are fooling yourself if you think a democrat president will be any easier on this stuff. Steroid users and fitness enthusiasts are an easy target because they don't tote guns, and don't have the backing of any special interest groups. They are also an easy story for the press to hash up when they don't have any real news. Aside from that, regardless of how you feel about the Bush administration's foreign policy, just think of how it would be if there were no war on terror. He would have to go after someone right? If you think you have a target on your back now, just wait until your beloved John Edwards or any of his (lawyer) ilk get power. You will rue the day, Rue it I tell you!!!!!!!1
 
GFH said:
They are all pretty much confirmed. The majority of them were open sources on SSB and SSB gave up the admin rights to LE.
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I dont think SSB has been "taken over", its actually run out of the country so I'm not sure. I think that rumor originated here:

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Leggo my Ego said:
I can't imagine though that these labs would keep very extensive records on past transactions in order to protect theirselves and their consumers... who knows what will come of all this nonsense.
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I would not be surprised if some of these guys did keep good records...

That would protect themselves - they have folks to turn over to plea bargain (maybe).
 
jmh80 said:
I would not be surprised if some of these guys did keep good records...

That would protect themselves - they have folks to turn over to plea bargain (maybe).
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well it would also incriminate them and cops don't go down the chain they go up it. They might have kept records of how they got theirs raws though.
 
aspire210 said:
well it would also incriminate them and cops don't go down the chain they go up it. They might have kept records of how they got theirs raws though.
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I dunno bro. Mentions of the possibility of going down the chain in a few articles.

That will be up to the local cops, I think.

I wouldn't assume X or Y will or won't happen though. None of us really knows.
Hell - look at the magnitude of this investigation. Mind boggling.
 
jmh80 said:
I dunno bro. Mentions of the possibility of going down the chain in a few articles.

That will be up to the local cops, I think.

I wouldn't assume X or Y will or won't happen though. None of us really knows.
Hell - look at the magnitude of this investigation. Mind boggling.
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Maybe down the chain to localized suppliers, ie big orders from online suppliers, but not to the average 3 or 4 bottle buyer. Considering the business some of these people had it wouldn't be feasible to move down the chain on everyone.
 
They aren't going to go after even 99% of people buying from these labs for the sheer fact that it would cost way too much money to prosecute every single person and a huge waste of time.

Then again, our federal government is just that: a huge waste of money and time.
 
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