Dbol

[chocolatemilk]

What's up guys..

I was thinking about giving "the breakfast of champions" a try.

I know I'm young and before everyone blasts me with "at that age you should be growing like crazy with just diet and training".. well, while progress for me might be a bit faster than people over my age, progress is still slow no matter what you say--except for the genetic anomalies. So, I'm thinking about trying Dbol. I know a common belief is not to take Dbol by itself. Read on.

Stats

21 years old, 5'8, 185 lbs, about 11-13% bf I'm guessing.

History with PH/AAS

Before you guys blast my history, I made childish uninformed decisions in the past.

I ran Epiotren by Intense Pharmaceuticals at 18 (didn't know anything about prohormones at the time). I think that was Epi and Tren. Gained 5 lbs and had a shredded dry look after. No sides. No pct (didn't even know what a pct was at the time)

I ran Sizeabol by Generation X labs about 1 month ago. I found out it was Supedrol and Epistane in a "proprietary blend" with tribulus, milk thistle, and other good stuff. Gained 8 lbs after 4 weeks and after a discussion with CrazyChemist and others I figured the product was most likely underdosed. No sides. PCT Nolva at 20/20/10.

I have never done injects and don't want to now. I would rather do injects with an experienced person by my side instead of reading "how to" and pricking myself so don't recommend Test or anything of the sort.

Goals

My ultimate goal for this cycle AND after a cut would be to get up to 200 lbs at 9-11%bf within a 2 month time frame if possible.

Cycle will start 1-2 months from now once everything is ready if I go ahead with it.

What I expect out of this thread

1. I'm convinced to keep working out naturally for now.

2. I take Dbol

3. I take Dbol stacked w/ another oral of what you guys think

4. Quality info from you guys!

What do you guys think about all of this?

 

[gamer2be08]

Dbol is one of the most anabolic profiles out there bud, which means, you can make great gains off of a dbol only cycle. That also means you may have to stay on for 6-8 weeks with proper liver support of course. Dont believe anyone that says you cant make decent gains off of dbol, the higher the anabolism of the drug is, the more muscle tissue will be built. Muscle is muscle and cant be taken away. Sure, you will get a lot of water and glycogen retention, but if you dont gain muscle mass off of dbol, then you weren't eating enough or getting adequate sleep. Dbol is toxic to the liver, but the toxicity is a bit exagerated and you can be able to get away with a 6-8 week dbol cycle with liver support if you dont have any pre existing liver conditions.

 

[Jayhawkk]

You can definitely make gains but the goal is to keep them since you won't be running a year long dbol cycle. I'd say the planning should be more oriented on post cycle recovery to keep your mass moreso than the cycle itself.

 

[gamer2be08]

Here is a post I found on another forum:

ll these people quoting "facts", but I have yet to actually see one

"fact", the more anabolic a drug is, the more it will help you to build actual muscle tissue, not water retention, but actual growth.

"fact", dbol is one of the most anabolic drugs out there, mg per mg, it may just be the most anabolic, definitely going by my own experience.

so combine those 2 "facts", and dbol is superior in many ways, to many other anabolic steroids. So why does the old wive's tale about dbol only cycles still persist, that you cant gain and maintain real mass with it....Off hand I can see a few reasons....One, due to another wives tale about how hard it is on the liver, dbol cycles tend to be short, in the order of around 4 weeks, while test and other injectables cycles tend to be in the 8-12 week range. So no brainer, you will gain and keep more off one of the other cycles. Not to mention, add the the mg per week in a test cycle, and compare it to the mgs per week in a dbol cycle, the dbol user is using much less.

Also add in the fact that many that run dbol only cycles due so because they dont want to inject, which tends to have the users who are much less serious about bodybuilding taking this route...those more serious about getting huge, will get over their fear of poking. So this often being the case, the user knows less about training and nutrition, so they dont gain as much pure mass from the cycle as the experienced or serious user. Most of what they gain tends to be water, which of course is pissed out when they stop they cycle, regardless of the pct you follow. Also, this less experienced user, often has difficulty telling the difference between the water gained, and the muscle mass, this is easy to do as much of that water is held within the muscle, its not bloat....I fell for this many times during my early cycles

But I can honestly attribute much of my overall mass to dbol, arnold called it the breakfast of champions for a reason, and I think he knew more about bodybuilding than your average person who has these opinions of dbol. Mg per mg, dbol is by far the best steroid I have ever used...I have been cycling pretty extensively over the years, and as my avatar shows, I've done pretty well. And I am willing to bet I wouldnt be half this advanced without the drug

Dbol only cycles can be done successfully with lots of mass retained, you just need to keep a few things in mind

 

[chocolatemilk]

Thanks for the info gamer. I would likely run it 4 weeks only. My diet and training are up to par. And for me, it's not a fear of "pricking" that gets me, it's that I don't want to do it on my own for a first time. Some things you cant f*** up on. I've never even seen someone inject to even know how to do it.

What can I expect from a 4 week cycle? Generally speaking.

You can definitely make gains but the goal is to keep them since you won't be running a year long dbol cycle. I'd say the planning should be more oriented on post cycle recovery to keep your mass moreso than the cycle itself.

Is there anything special that I need in a pct for dbol to better keep the gains? Or standard, SERM, eat big, train hard?

 

[gamer2be08]

Thanks for the info gamer. I would likely run it 4 weeks only. My diet and training are up to par. And for me, it's not a fear of "pricking" that gets me, it's that I don't want to do it on my own for a first time. Some things you cant f*** up on. I've never even seen someone inject to even know how to do it.

What can I expect from a 4 week cycle? Generally speaking.



Is there anything special that I need in a pct for dbol to better keep the gains? Or standard, SERM, eat big, train hard?

PCT normally, 4 weeks is light, push it to 6 (muscle maturity).. 4 weeks might yield you 6-10lbs (10 being best case scenario) of keep-able mass, but im sure you might shoot up to 20lbs (alot being water and glycogen storage).