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Dave's Newest bulk into cut for show. AAS, SLIN and GH

DangerDave said:
So been researching some peptide stuff. Trying to see if I can run peptides w/ my slin and growth and hopefully pulse my own natty GH levels.

Looks like I will be pinning Mod GRF and Imaporelin upon waking to pulse my natty GH longer then follow that with 4-5iu of Jintropin GH. That peptide pulse should keep my body riding the "wave" of natty GH pulse as well as increasing potency and length of my synthetic GH injection. This is Dats theory and I am doing more reading but will prolly try it out for the dirt month back on GH to see how in like it.
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Yeah it works.
 
fueledpassion said:
Yeah it works.
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I'm also looking at pinning IGF-1 Lr3 post workout. I will be pinning Slin prewo for the first week and work dose up to 10iu. 2nd week I will start 5iu in the morning and ramp that to 10. So by the 3rd week I can add 5iu at lunch and ramp that to 10iu. By week 4 I want to be at 8iu GH, 30iu slin, Mod GRF at 200mcg, Imp at 100 Mcg, IGF Lr3 at 40mcg Bi lateral post WO.

I decided to take Primo to 800mg ew. Starting at 50mg EOD and ramping dose. Test will stay at 500mg until week 8 then bump to 750mg (this is still up in the air) the other test option is 750mg till week 8 then go to 1g ew. Not sure how much oil I wanna push. I might run it half enth and mix prop with my primo injections or bring in test susp prewo at 25-50mg ed on workout days. Like I said test dose is still in question. Thoughts appreciated (educated thoughts lol not RUN 1G DD!! Haha)
 
DangerDave said:
I'm also looking at pinning IGF-1 Lr3 post workout. I will be pinning Slin prewo for the first week and work dose up to 10iu. 2nd week I will start 5iu in the morning and ramp that to 10. So by the 3rd week I can add 5iu at lunch and ramp that to 10iu. By week 4 I want to be at 8iu GH, 30iu slin, Mod GRF at 200mcg, Imp at 100 Mcg, IGF Lr3 at 40mcg Bi lateral post WO.

I decided to take Primo to 800mg ew. Starting at 50mg EOD and ramping dose. Test will stay at 500mg until week 8 then bump to 750mg (this is still up in the air) the other test option is 750mg till week 8 then go to 1g ew. Not sure how much oil I wanna push. I might run it half enth and mix prop with my primo injections or bring in test susp prewo at 25-50mg ed on workout days. Like I said test dose is still in question. Thoughts appreciated (educated thoughts lol not RUN 1G DD!! Haha)
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Let me just say three things, but really two things:

1) I wouldnt bother with LR3. Not so cost effective.

2) Dosing GHRP/GHRH 3 times daily would give equal/better results for local IGF production.

3) I've been really, really impressed with Trestolone. I've cut and kept lean mass very well on a low dose. I'm just throwing that out there. Very versatile compound to consider. It can go from mild to wild. Cut to bulk. Stuff is nice and stacked with Primo would be so incredible, IMO.
 
fueledpassion said:
Let me just say three things, but really two things: 1) I wouldnt bother with LR3. Not so cost effective. 2) Dosing GHRP/GHRH 3 times daily would give equal/better results for local IGF production. 3) I've been really, really impressed with Trestolone. I've cut and kept lean mass very well on a low dose. I'm just throwing that out there. Very versatile compound to consider. It can go from mild to wild. Cut to bulk. Stuff is nice and stacked with Primo would be so incredible, IMO.
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Ok awesome. I'm still considering trestolone. The main reason for LR3 is insulin sensitivity increase. My insulin sensitivity by week 3-4 should be getting suppressed. The LR3 will help that at a moderate to low dose. The GH and Slin will produce enough IGF at my doses to grow plenty of muscle. I will be taking ALA 2x a day and plenty if cinnamon on my oats to help increase my sensitivity. I forgot to mention the IGF I get is extremely pure and tested and is almost dirt cheap so cost isn't an issue especially considering the amount of GH and Primo I'm running lol.
 
DangerDave said:
Ok awesome. I'm still considering trestolone. The main reason for LR3 is insulin sensitivity increase. My insulin sensitivity by week 3-4 should be getting suppressed. The LR3 will help that at a moderate to low dose. The GH and Slin will produce enough IGF at my doses to grow plenty of muscle. I will be taking ALA 2x a day and plenty if cinnamon on my oats to help increase my sensitivity. I forgot to mention the IGF I get is extremely pure and tested and is almost dirt cheap so cost isn't an issue especially considering the amount of GH and Primo I'm running lol.
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Not to interrupt your talk of cycles, but why the tons of cinnamon on your oats?
 
DangerDave said:
Cinnamon increases insulin sensitivity and helps burn fat. (Not the kind with sugar, plain haha)
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So all this cinnamon toast crunch I've been eating has been a waste???? Sht...

Hahaha good to know Dave. I usually use a bit in all my shakes and toss it in some other meals too.
 
More cinnamon, the better. ALA is the shiz. Na-R-ALA better, but ALA is cheaper & doesn't seem to cause acid reflux any worse despite running 6x the mg of Na-R-ALA.

TinyTony is the first person to turn me onto the antioxidant properties of ALA - only thing he runs really for liv support, typically 1g/day on cycle. I was skeptical at first, but it does seem to clear piss up some. And the literature supports the idea of promoting the bodies ability to scavenge radicals more efficiently, anyway.
 
Hyde said:
More cinnamon, the better. ALA is the shiz. Na-R-ALA better, but ALA is cheaper & doesn't seem to cause acid reflux any worse despite running 6x the mg of Na-R-ALA. TinyTony is the first person to turn me onto the antioxidant properties of ALA - only thing he runs really for liv support, typically 1g/day on cycle. I was skeptical at first, but it does seem to clear piss up some. And the literature supports the idea of promoting the bodies ability to scavenge radicals more efficiently, anyway.
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What do you think of just r-ala vs na-r vs plain ala? I have a couple bottles of r sitting around and have only used a little of the one on a trial peak week protocol and that was before I really understood it's use
 
Hyde said:
More cinnamon, the better. ALA is the shiz. Na-R-ALA better, but ALA is cheaper & doesn't seem to cause acid reflux any worse despite running 6x the mg of Na-R-ALA. TinyTony is the first person to turn me onto the antioxidant properties of ALA - only thing he runs really for liv support, typically 1g/day on cycle. I was skeptical at first, but it does seem to clear piss up some. And the literature supports the idea of promoting the bodies ability to scavenge radicals more efficiently, anyway.
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I take. 300mg ed split up during the day year round. Love it. I can see a difference in bloodwork. It's cheap and it's worth the spare change I have lying around.
 
booneman77 said:
What do you think of just r-ala vs na-r vs plain ala? I have a couple bottles of r sitting around and have only used a little of the one on a trial peak week protocol and that was before I really understood it's use
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Cost-wise, I'd either buy the ALA or spring for the sodium version. But they're all great. I think, but can't recall, that I've read they have positive effects on the immune system as well. Idk for sure, but in general I know they're pretty good for general health.
 
Distilled Water said:
You can find bulk ALA powder ridiculously cheap. As long as you can handle the burn of drinking it, it's ****in awesome and you can bump dose a bit. I was doing like 2gr/day early on in prep when insulin sensativity sucked and it helped speed up the process
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Hell yeah. I think a 100g bag is like $5 on truneutrition. It burns kinda funny but you get over it.
 
Ok well as you guys know I'm still researching and evaluating my cycles for my off season bulk, cruise then cut for a show. I'm qualified for JR USAs next year. That will be in May/June and I will hit a tune up show about 8 weeks before in March/April.

So bulk from sept-dec. cruise January till bloods look good. Then start cutting for a show.

I am still working compounds and I really want to use this primo right since it isn't cheap. I'm thinking now I will use it in my cut to help grow into my show.

I'm thinking my bulk will be multiple blasts 6 on with a 2 week prime then another 6-8 week blast leading into my cruise. For compounds I'm thinking just a ton of test, some anadrol and slin/GH combo. I'm still working it but that might be my simplest option giving me the most size. I really want to keep androgens low and DHT low too. Mainly focusing on the anabolic response and synergy with slin/GH.
 
DangerDave said:
Ok well as you guys know I'm still researching and evaluating my cycles for my off season bulk, cruise then cut for a show. I'm qualified for JR USAs next year. That will be in May/June and I will hit a tune up show about 8 weeks before in March/April.

So bulk from sept-dec. cruise January till bloods look good. Then start cutting for a show.

I am still working compounds and I really want to use this primo right since it isn't cheap. I'm thinking now I will use it in my cut to help grow into my show.

I'm thinking my bulk will be multiple blasts 6 on with a 2 week prime then another 6-8 week blast leading into my cruise. For compounds I'm thinking just a ton of test, some anadrol and slin/GH combo. I'm still working it but that might be my simplest option giving me the most size. I really want to keep androgens low and DHT low too. Mainly focusing on the anabolic response and synergy with slin/GH.
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It sounds like ur moving towards sustainable cycling. I like ur thoughts around toggling the bulking with getting insulin sensitivity back on track. This is really key to have that linear growth that people desire so much. I alsonlike that its only two week primes. That would allow u to do extreme primes for shorter duration rather than a 4 or 6 week prime of lesser intensity. I'd like to see how this works for u.

I've concluded that blasting and cruising is best done in a series and only doing PCT when ur actually gonna stay off for 6+ months.

Blasting 6 weeks
Priming 2 weeks
Blasting 4 weeks
Cruising 2 months
Priming 2 weeks
Blasting 6 weeks
Priming 2 weeks
Show prep 8 weeks
PCT for 3 months
Off for 6 months

That to me makes better since and the cruising would be a minimalist approach, keeping T at physiological levels like 150mg/wk.

24 weeks of supraphysiological androgen levels and 14 weeks of physiological androgen levels over a 74 week period. That pretty much half on, half off which is actually a modest approach.
 
fueledpassion said:
It sounds like ur moving towards sustainable cycling. I like ur thoughts around toggling the bulking with getting insulin sensitivity back on track. This is really key to have that linear growth that people desire so much. I alsonlike that its only two week primes. That would allow u to do extreme primes for shorter duration rather than a 4 or 6 week prime of lesser intensity. I'd like to see how this works for u. I've concluded that blasting and cruising is best done in a series and only doing PCT when ur actually gonna stay off for 6+ months. Blasting 6 weeks Priming 2 weeks Blasting 4 weeks Cruising 2 months Priming 2 weeks Blasting 6 weeks Priming 2 weeks Show prep 8 weeks PCT for 3 months Off for 6 months That to me makes better since and the cruising would be a minimalist approach, keeping T at physiological levels like 150mg/wk. 24 weeks of supraphysiological androgen levels and 14 weeks of physiological androgen levels over a 74 week period. That pretty much half on, half off which is actually a modest approach.
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Yeah that's the target. I like long cycles but with running close to 10iu of GH and slin my sensitivity will build really fast. It will be harder and harder to stimulate. So with this in mind I might run a very hard 6 week blast then follow with a prime.

Now during the blast I will be using glucophage at about 1000-1500mg on my non slin days. This will help prime me up for the next day of slin use.

During my 2 week prime IGF-1 des will be my go to for slin sensitivity up regulation. I will also be bringing in t3 at 50 Mcg ed starting the second blast to help my thyroid (bloodwork to confirm I need it but I'm guessing yes). I have access to DNP for a few days to blow open my receptors and am considering this advice from the person advising me on most of this.

During the second blast glucophage will be utilized as well as Imaporelin, Mod GRF and IGF-1 Lr3 (30mcg pwo).

I don't PCT and use HCG year round. I will Blast and prime for my whole bulk then cruise for a few weeks to clear up before I start cutting for spring and summer shows. After the shows it will be another 2 month cruise then start all this over again.

My cycle will be-
close to 1.5g test e (500mg e3d)
Anadrol 50mg workout days
Low deca at 300mg ew for joints and wetness
8iu GH ed (possibility running 16 for 4 weeks of the blast with 10 of it being IV)

Prime will be half my doses and a deload with the IGF and burst of DNP.

It's all up in the air but I need to speak with my "friend" coaching me on this and do a little more research. Back to the books!!!
 
Will this be your first time running dnp?
I know a lot of you guys hate boston Loyd but he has talked a lot about dnp usage. Might be worth looking into it.
 
thyrod said:
Will this be your first time running dnp? I know a lot of you guys hate boston Loyd but he has talked a lot about dnp usage. Might be worth looking into it.
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Yeah first time. I'm being coached through a lot of this by a pretty known name I'm not willing to drop but trust me it will be epic lol. I will look into what loyd says. The guy acts like a tard and doesn't make the smartest decisions but he does know a thing or two.
 
DangerDave said:
Yeah first time. I'm being coached through a lot of this by a pretty known name I'm not willing to drop but trust me it will be epic lol. I will look into what loyd says. The guy acts like a tard and doesn't make the smartest decisions but he does know a thing or two.
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Been readin that book. Kinda confirms alot that I've been learning recently. Basically, speedy metabolism + increased protein synthesis - catabolic hormones = massive growth.
 
fueledpassion said:
Been readin that book. Kinda confirms alot that I've been learning recently. Basically, speedy metabolism + increased protein synthesis - catabolic hormones = massive growth.
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Yeah that book is great. He really makes it easy to understand. Only downside is it's older so science has changed as we learn more. The basics are still the same and his fundamentals are rock solid.
 
DangerDave said:
I'm thinking my bulk will be multiple blasts 6 on with a 2 week prime then another 6-8 week blast leading into my cruise. For compounds I'm thinking just a ton of test, some anadrol and slin/GH combo. I'm still working it but that might be my simplest option giving me the most size. I really want to keep androgens low and DHT low too. Mainly focusing on the anabolic response and synergy with slin/GH.
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Perfect. Simple yet potent. Ghpr makes me eat like a pig, but I love it. Be careful about slin, but I think you know it.
 
DetroitHammer said:
Hey Dave...Missed you at the Smoke Out!
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Hey big guy! I was in show prep mode and I think that was my show weekend.

I tested slin in the beginning of this log and found my sweet spot with a blood glucose tester and manipulating carbs. For me it's 7g carbs per 1iu and no more than 10iu in one serving. My morning slin injection was nice at right about 5-7.

I only feel comfortable with slin during bulks when I am eating an enormous amount of carbs.

I will go with the 6 week blast 2 week prime and use a DC split because he has his workouts set perfectly for that style of gear use. I'm still working out the gear and amounts.

I am curious to see what you guys use for SHGB control? I need to worry about this with these massive doses because the prime phase isn't enough to drive those levels down. I'm thinking proviron and Winny? Proviron at 50-100mg ed and winny for blast 2 at 50-75mg ed. Let's here some recommendations
 
DangerDave said:
Hey big guy! I was in show prep mode and I think that was my show weekend.

I tested slin in the beginning of this log and found my sweet spot with a blood glucose tester and manipulating carbs. For me it's 7g carbs per 1iu and no more than 10iu in one serving. My morning slin injection was nice at right about 5-7.

I only feel comfortable with slin during bulks when I am eating an enormous amount of carbs.

I will go with the 6 week blast 2 week prime and use a DC split because he has his workouts set perfectly for that style of gear use. I'm still working out the gear and amounts.

I am curious to see what you guys use for SHGB control? I need to worry about this with these massive doses because the prime phase isn't enough to drive those levels down. I'm thinking proviron and Winny? Proviron at 50-100mg ed and winny for blast 2 at 50-75mg ed. Let's here some recommendations
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Regarding SHBG, and my opinion, which is partly based anecdotally and partly from research...

Oddly enough Formestane has done a number for controlling my estrogen and this is on Trestolone, which not only converts moreso than T, but to a methylated estrogen.

Anyways, the longer I run Formabolic, the less I have estrogen issues despite the increase in Trestolone dosages. Its known to reduce SHBG by a fairly respectable number (I think I read somewhere it did so by about 35%).

But if I had access to anything, I'd do Form and Masteron.
 
Just gonna throw this out there cuz there is a lot of good info in here that I don't want to see deleted.


Be careful with any DNP talk, unless something changed recently that one is still an off limits topic on AM.
 
**** yes, finally someone who is doing it right.

I'm interested in the prostate info you were discussing. I've been on 600mg of Mast E a week for like eight months, and no problems at all. I'm just lucky in that department I guess, or maybe its because of something else I'm doing. I've never had issues running Mast like they say you're supposed to.


During my six month bulk I just came off of I built up to the following protocol:

Sust 1250-1750 EW,
Tren Ace 350-700 EW,
Mast E 600 EW,
EQ 900-1200 EW.

Various oral is four weeks on two weeks off increments. Aromasin, prami, cialis for blood pressure.

Just changed it up, switching to short esters to let my system clear of the long esters and I'm going to cut for eight weeks or so.

Test Prop/Mast Prop/Tren Ace @ 100/100/150mg ED
EQ at 600mg EW.

Bloods could be better but they aren't ****ing off the charts like you would think.

Guys telling you those doses will kill you don't know what the **** they are talking about. It depends upon a lot of factors and what you are prone to. I also happen to have a full thick head of hair, although it is slightly thinner than it was last year, lol. Everyone is different.


Your protocols look great bro. If it was me personally I would divide up all the shots evenly each day instead of EOD, but what you're doing (as you know) is perfectly fine. I like pinning lol and the more stable my blood levels are the less the sides. Sides for me are almost more dependent upon how fast I ramp up the dosages then just the straight amount, if that makes sense. But maybe my bodies weird I don't know, lol.


Also, if you don't mind sharing, what kind of GH are you running? If you've got extra cash you might consider throwing in some IGF-1. I swear that **** is insane it works better for me than GH (although I just started GH so really that's a bogus bull**** conclusion, I just know the IGF-1 healed some old injuries FAST and I GROW on that ****).


p.s. I don't presume to know more than you or your coach brother, just like to bull**** about protocols and bouncing ideas around. All I know is that protocol is ****ing SOLID. Good luck at your show!
 
Ok WOW, I am actually reading this thread now and learning ****. LoL

Disregard my entire last post. lol

It looks like I have a long read ahead of me haha
 
DangerDave said:
Yeah first time. I'm being coached through a lot of this by a pretty known name I'm not willing to drop but trust me it will be epic lol. I will look into what loyd says. The guy acts like a tard and doesn't make the smartest decisions but he does know a thing or two.
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Loyds a fuxk head but I love how he just calls people out. Waiting for him to finally **** up and get picked up. Guys way to obvious like hell post pics of him in the gym with a cooler, with a caption about what he stores in it..... Dumb ****.

This thread is like another thread "marcus diary" on another forum, guys a ****en monster, has a lot of detail about how important priming is before cycles.

As for the rest I haven't seen many sloot pics, I expect more during off season????
 
All the pics of chicks are just buried in here, just gotta follow along and they will pop up. Speaking of...how's hardwork doing?!
 
Standby... I'm posting a ton of articles today regarding a few things I'm working. Be prepared to read a lot and learn
 
Before the learning starts... My girl (she lifts and competes) my man whoring is on break atm. But no need to fear. I have tons of girls that are friends and in great shape that will let me post pics of them. I got you guys lol the pics if bad girls ain't going anywhere.

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DangerDave said:
Before the learning starts... My girl (she lifts and competes) my man whoring is on break atm. But no need to fear. I have tons of girls that are friends and in great shape that will let me post pics of them. I got you guys lol the pics if bad girls ain't going anywhere. <img src="http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=103461"/>
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Well she shops at the buckle so that's a good start! Well done my man!
 
hurdlemaker said:
All the pics of chicks are just buried in here, just gotta follow along and they will pop up. Speaking of...how's hardwork doing?!
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I'm here brochacho! I've been busy with work/life and trying to get my body back on track. I've lost 100+ lbs in all my Fukin lifts and I'm working my way back into a routine.

Working hard at getting healthy and back up to 100%.... It won't be to long before im breaking necks and cashing checks again. ;)
 
hardwork25 said:
I'm here brochacho! I've been busy with work/life and trying to get my body back on track. I've lost 100+ lbs in all my Fukin lifts and I'm working my way back into a routine. Working hard at getting healthy and back up to 100%.... It won't be to long before im breaking necks and cashing checks again. ;)
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good shît right there man! Not one ounce of quit in you, I'm diggin it!! Glad you're gettin better.
 
superbeast668 said:
Hah
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It's true. Fit people have better sex it's science. Plus when she was on var she can keep up with my tren sexcapades. First girl I met that can keep up with my on cycle libido lol
 
DangerDave said:
It's true. Fit people have better sex it's science. Plus when she was on var she can keep up with my tren sexcapades. First girl I met that can keep up with my on cycle libido lol
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You have found the holy grail. I can only imagine the fun you must have on tren.
 
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