DaPack..Fighting Age One Day at a Time

[dapack]

Is 525 a PR deadlift for you? Or were these pin pulls? Strong-ass day of training here, sir!


I would agree, and I think most powerlifters today do, because there are very few wrapped lifters at any given meet anymore (and very few big cash meets left that are raw w/ wraps). Just like few equipped lifters.

When the raw movement started in the late 2000s, people were just happy to get out of the suits and shirts that had gotten progressively more wild. But many veteran lifters had come up with the support of knee wraps, and wraps kept a skill component of using gear that plenty secretly enjoyed. So in their own words, they weren’t giving up their wraps. Most of those lifters are retired now, and once they allowed the new wild knee sleeves…there basically stopped being a point. The new sleeves help a lot, there’s no learning curve or skill, so they were basically the nail in the coffin. They don’t help as much, but everyone can just get the same 20-30lbs, all the stability/support, and it’s still a level field with no barrier to entry.

I always loved the idea of gear - the added challenge of handling pumped up weights, and that skill could help compete against raw talent. BUT unfortunately untested single-ply competition is simply non-existent in America (you can do it, but nobody does), and I’ve only seen about 2 legitimate depth multiply squats in my entire life. Multiply judging is entirely delusional, so I don’t want to compete against a soft standard that could never be reached with legit depth. Yes I could put the gear on and do it properly, but who wants to compete with stuff that’s 6 inches high? It would have to be for personal goals, not to compete against others.

I could do untested singleply; there are meets around who will judge to the same raw standard, but it just sucks because you’ll never compete against anyone else in your weightclass.

Messed up. Was rack pulls. One if theses days hopefully will.do 525 from the floor. Agree with muti ply squats. I see videos and just don't understand the standards for it. My A7 sleeves are really close to good medium or heavy wraps. The pioneer heavy wraps give me a little more than the A7s but the gap and sleeves Def has narrowed a lot.

 

[Hyde]

Yeah, that is why I didn't poopoo on it. It is a true skill to use the aids and supports well to get more out of them. Once Raw came out, I kind of just stopped looking at any of the geared numbers and lifts unless someone I knew posted them to see.
I definitely noticed that a lot of the big suited squats I had seen lately, I was like uhm, that was not even close to a full ROM squat. I was wondering how they got away with it.

There’s only about 2,000 or so lifters who compete in multiply annually, so it’s a pretty small amount of meets/directors/judges. As a niche community of an already niche sport, they just collectively decided over years that because the gear made actual depth really hard, they slowly changed the standard. Now if the bottom point of a guy’s jacked hamstring even approaches parallel to the ground (where his hips are still sky high), “he buried it”. And since huge shirted benches are harder to lock out, they more often let people get away with soft/uneven elbows.

Messed up. Was rack pulls. One if theses days hopefully will.do 525 from the floor. Agree with muti ply squats. I see videos and just don't understand the standards for it. My A7 sleeves are really close to good medium or heavy wraps. The pioneer heavy wraps give me a little more than the A7s but the gap and sleeves Def has narrowed a lot.

You will get 525 at some point, I have zero doubt!

 

[Hyde]

And I say all this as someone who fell in love with the idea of powerlifting from watching multiply. I’d say I have a lot of multiply inspirations, and learned useful stuff from many of them. But it was a hard realization that all the squats were not good.

 

[MrKleen73]

Yeah, I had no idea that the geared lifting had fallen so far off. Then again like you said most of the old heads aren't competing any more, and cost of entry would make it even less attractive to pick up now. You need gear, and time spent learning to use it, or you can just go lift, and learn the actual lift. Far easier entry into Raw.

 

[dapack]

And I say all this as someone who fell in love with the idea of powerlifting from watching multiply. I’d say I have a lot of multiply inspirations, and learned useful stuff from many of them. But it was a hard realization that all the squats were not good.

Honestly if I didn't train alone wouldn't mind doing single or multi ply. As I get older and maybe do to shoulder health might keep me in the game.