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dang, why did andromass get such bad reviews?

well, for me and my buddies in school $100+ is expensive, and when you take into account cycle assist, the ph, and pct... it gets to be a lot... thats why im waiting patiently on my tax return, then ill hit one of you guys up for a PP discount :wavey:
 
Bill, im guessing you are still in high school and probably shouldnt be cycling anything at this point.
 
HereToStudy said:
I have used it for all of my bloodwork, smooth transaction, quick office visit, and results in your email in 24 hours. No complaints.
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Gotta give this a look. I get to go home for 3 weeks in feb. I can do a full panel check. This is w/o insurance right? Hmm... maybe I just better take a look lol.
 
BigBlackGuy said:
For sure the AH will keep off a lot of the water gain, plus in your log you're upping weight on a ton of exercises so that should help stimulate further muscle gains. Keep rolling brother!
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Yeah u can put all the steroids in the world on a bench with 500 lbs, it ain't gonna move that weight! Lol my point being that we should be making strength n mass gains without the pills, if not check ur routine and ur intensity. Everybody blames the pills when they don't make any gains!!!!
 
diggyboo said:
Yeah u can put all the steroids in the world on a bench with 500 lbs, it ain't gonna move that weight! Lol my point being that we should be making strength n mass gains without the pills, if not check ur routine and ur intensity. Everybody blames the pills when they don't make any gains!!!!
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I see your point. When guys say they gained "nothing" from a product, I usually am curious what their diet/routine is, because even without the product, you should have been able to have made some progress over that time.
 
HereToStudy said:
I see your point. When guys say they gained "nothing" from a product, I usually am curious what their diet/routine is, because even without the product, you should have been able to have made some progress over that time.
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I agree. If your normal progress should be around 5% increase in strength and dieting for mass gain you should be able to show at least some additional lbm increase and strength increases or your core training and diet regime is flawed. Unless you are taking something like AL and trying to bulk. But then again you should still see SOME change.
 
HereToStudy said:
I see your point. When guys say they gained "nothing" from a product, I usually am curious what their diet/routine is, because even without the product, you should have been able to have made some progress over that time.
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Agreed, if you gained "nothing" then I already suspect your diet and training since you should be gaining something naturally to begin with.
 
ryansm said:
Agreed, if you gained "nothing" then I already suspect your diet and training since you should be gaining something naturally to begin with.
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My favorite thing is when I hear that protein powder "doesn't work." WTF does that even mean? That's like saying food doesn't build muscle.
 
Rodja said:
My favorite thing is when I hear that protein powder "doesn't work." WTF does that even mean? That's like saying food doesn't build muscle.
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haha, i was guilty of that for too long throughout high school and such... 'that creatine (just a 'new and improved' monohydrate) doesnt work' or 'that protein doesnt do anything'.... although, i like to think i cant take full blame as the juicehead trainers at the gym i went to always swore they were natural and would say stuff like 'give ____ a try, it works wonders'... so in my mind, i actually believed that they were natural, and the reason they were like 5'10 270 bodybuilders was because of supplements. But, at the end of the day, its my fault for being ignorant, and ive said a million times if i could change ONE thing, it would be going back to my teenage/early 20's and eating a ****LOAD more. i had the mentality that i could eat 2,000 calories a day, take a scoop of protein and 10g creatine and get huge.... stupid... especially when i weighed 138 at close to 6'0 when i started lol smh
 
bill86 said:
haha, i was guilty of that for too long throughout high school and such... 'that creatine (just a 'new and improved' monohydrate) doesnt work' or 'that protein doesnt do anything'.... although, i like to think i cant take full blame as the juicehead trainers at the gym i went to always swore they were natural and would say stuff like 'give ____ a try, it works wonders'... so in my mind, i actually believed that they were natural, and the reason they were like 5'10 270 bodybuilders was because of supplements. But, at the end of the day, its my fault for being ignorant, and ive said a million times if i could change ONE thing, it would be going back to my teenage/early 20's and eating a ****LOAD more. i had the mentality that i could eat 2,000 calories a day, take a scoop of protein and 10g creatine and get huge.... stupid... especially when i weighed 138 at close to 6'0 when i started lol smh
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It's like the old saying, "Youth is wasted on the young."

I can't tell you how many times I've thought to myself if I only knew then what I know now...
 
yeah, its pretty sad when my most substantial gains in a year didnt happen in my FIRST year.

dumbest food related blunder i ever made was in high school... i was never hungry when i woke up, so rather than force myself to eat or even at least have a weight gainer shake, id opt out of breakfast and wait until lunch to eat my first meal of the day (of course, then id go to the gym right after school without eating.... never could figure out why i wasnt gaining lol)
 
bill86 said:
yeah, its pretty sad when my most substantial gains in a year didnt happen in my FIRST year.

dumbest food related blunder i ever made was in high school... i was never hungry when i woke up, so rather than force myself to eat or even at least have a weight gainer shake, id opt out of breakfast and wait until lunch to eat my first meal of the day (of course, then id go to the gym right after school without eating.... never could figure out why i wasnt gaining lol)
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The answer to gaining mass is so simple that most can't comprehend it: eating and patience. That's all it takes, but everyone wants to be huge in a month.
 
HereToStudy said:
It actually is why I try and steer most new guys to reading starting strength. It is a great starting program to make good newbie gains.
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Great book Rip knows his ****!
 
Rodja said:
Apparently, he's no longer with EFS. He moved/is moving to the Dallas/Ft. Worth are to spend more time with his son.
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Isn't that around your way?

For some reason I vaguely remember you saying you were in Texas
 
Rodja said:
My favorite thing is when I hear that protein powder "doesn't work." WTF does that even mean? That's like saying food doesn't build muscle.
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You know aren't you supposed to gain 20 pounds of muscle off one tub of nitrotech?
 
its funny because when i FIRST started working out the guy at gnc said 'youre really lean, so the big tub (like $80) of cell tech will put on a lean 20 lbs, after the water weight comes off, youll keep at least 12'.... being that i knew nothing about supplements, and thought creatine was 'hardcore', i believed him... smh..... i also remember freshman year of college being stupid and believing 'gakic' or whatever it was caused would actually give you a '10.5% increase in strength with just one serving'.
 
im just sitting here laughing at the thought i could take a supplement and my bench would immediately increase by 20 lbs hahah
 
bill86 said:
its funny because when i FIRST started working out the guy at gnc said 'youre really lean, so the big tub (like $80) of cell tech will put on a lean 20 lbs, after the water weight comes off, youll keep at least 12'.... being that i knew nothing about supplements, and thought creatine was 'hardcore', i believed him... smh..... i also remember freshman year of college being stupid and believing 'gakic' or whatever it was caused would actually give you a '10.5% increase in strength with just one serving'.
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I completely forgot about their groundbreaking Gakic product.
 
I looked back on this and we had some good discussions going on here.
Bill86, did u ever decide on a product yet?
 
ryansm said:
Such as?
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Wild Bill comparing this to PH sides vs sides of the andromass.
Cost more but get added peace of mind safety wise was one of the major take a ways I got from the discussion.
 
AaronJP1 said:
Wild Bill comparing this to PH sides vs sides of the andromass.
Cost more but get added peace of mind safety wise was one of the major take a ways I got from the discussion.
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some people dont care bout safety......ever visit phf??? some of the cycles on there are seriously fkd
 
sking6464 said:
some people dont care bout safety......ever visit phf??? some of the cycles on there are seriously fkd
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I usually take what those guys say with a grain of salt.
Tried 1 p-mag cycle didn't work out/wasn't for me.
I have some alphamass on the way and thinking of snagging a bottle of andromass. I've been wanting to try it. Just wonder if 4 weeks will bring me any joy.
 
AaronJP1 said:
I looked back on this and we had some good discussions going on here.
Bill86, did u ever decide on a product yet?
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im sure people around here think im crazy because i always talk about this 'future' cycle im planning, haha, but i think im gonna go with PP products, which is a little more costly of a route but, as you said in another post, it gives me peace of mind... basically, im waiting on my tax return in hopes that ill have enough then. i just started school again in august, and 1L year of law school you're not allowed to have a job (not that i could handle one anyway), so basically the most money ive had in my bank account in the past 6 months is about $70 (to last me several days, haha)... so long story short, i have no money, CANT have a job, so im waiting on my tax return in hopes itll be enough which is why its been such a long, drawn out process haha..... my tax return situation is a little messed up this year, so ill probably only be getting back about 200 bucks at most, which plays a factor (NO extra money for a serm, cycle support if i add epi, etc)

my friend has some left over epi, which i may use for a couple of weeks (but maybe not) then run a 4 week androhard cycle at full dosage and follow it up with the TRS (kinda iffy on this IF i go the added epi route, but ill likely do AH 4 weeks with TRS for sure, just not sure sure if the added epi will require a more substantial pct... ie, serm).

id be doing it in the spring, so im opting for AH for a recomp vs AM for a bulk. but yeah, thats the plan as of now, who knows what'll happen between now and february when im actually able to get something haha. im on the fence about only running AH for 4 weeks, but if i could lose a couple bf% and gain a couple lbs/maintain body weight, id be happy.
 
bill86 said:
im sure people around here think im crazy because i always talk about this 'future' cycle im planning, haha, but i think im gonna go with PP products, which is a little more costly of a route but, as you said in another post, it gives me peace of mind... basically, im waiting on my tax return in hopes that ill have enough then. i just started school again in august, and 1L year of law school you're not allowed to have a job (not that i could handle one anyway), so basically the most money ive had in my bank account in the past 6 months is about $70 (to last me several days, haha)... so long story short, i have no money, CANT have a job, so im waiting on my tax return in hopes itll be enough which is why its been such a long, drawn out process haha..... my tax return situation is a little messed up this year, so ill probably only be getting back about 200 bucks at most, which plays a factor (NO extra money for a serm, cycle support if i add epi, etc)

my friend has some left over epi, which i may use for a couple of weeks (but maybe not) then run a 4 week androhard cycle at full dosage and follow it up with the TRS (kinda iffy on this IF i go the added epi route, but ill likely do AH 4 weeks with TRS for sure, just not sure sure if the added epi will require a more substantial pct... ie, serm).

id be doing it in the spring, so im opting for AH for a recomp vs AM for a bulk. but yeah, thats the plan as of now, who knows what'll happen between now and february when im actually able to get something haha. im on the fence about only running AH for 4 weeks, but if i could lose a couple bf% and gain a couple lbs/maintain body weight, id be happy.
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Sounds like u need a sponsored log lol
 
Rodja said:
Getting bigger and stronger isn't cheap.
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I speak first hand.
 
bill86 said:
yep... 5-7 meals a day is costly enough, and thats before you even add supplements
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Right. lol
 
sking6464 said:
prostitution i heard works well
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U tried it?
Gotta pay to play :)
 
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