dang, why did andromass get such bad reviews?
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bill86
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anyone got links to logs with POST-pct results (maybe a couple weeks out from pct). closest i can find are logs ending as they wrap up pct, but id be interested in knowing how they recovered after coming off pct. reason being, as ive never used ph's and didnt know this, my friend said its actually AFTER pct when you start to see losses from being shutdown. I assumed if you made it out of those 4 weeks or so of pct with your gains intact, youre in the clear.
the thing i hate about logs, is that most of the time people end up ditching them and dont let us know how it all turned out, or they end it as soon as they start pct.
ps - it would be GREATLY appreciated if anyone could point me in the direction of AM logs using only TRS or TRS-TCF1 as pct (or, really, any otc for that matter, its just that ive yet to see any AM logs with something other than the aforementioned pct when using something other than a serm).
the thing i hate about logs, is that most of the time people end up ditching them and dont let us know how it all turned out, or they end it as soon as they start pct.
ps - it would be GREATLY appreciated if anyone could point me in the direction of AM logs using only TRS or TRS-TCF1 as pct (or, really, any otc for that matter, its just that ive yet to see any AM logs with something other than the aforementioned pct when using something other than a serm).
Rodja
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Your first paragraph is not correct at all. The first 2 weeks or so of PCT is when you will see the majority of the losses from a cycle. What happens more often than not is that people don't take their diet as seriously after being on and that's why they slowly lose the gains. This is why you see so many people on their 4th or 5th cycle of orals and 180lbs.
jaydollars
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Is there any links to bloodwork on cycle, since there is some conversion to test I would be interested to see if it spikes levels after taking it
bill86
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thats what i thought... thats why i mentioned my friend (who, unlike me, has experience with ph's) who said it was after pct, while i thought it was the first couple of weeks like you said. guess i was right all along.
icon0561
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Just to clarify (not to read up on the AM logs) we are talking net gains in the 8 week range right? Aside from first cycles, anyone should be happy with a 5-10lb net gain regardless of the compound taken. Ive seen plenty of people go up 20-25lbs within that window on a wet cycle and then dry up towards the end to only gain 10+lbs and10lbs in my opinion is a big deal for anyone that's pushing their natural limit. I would think that someone that's unhappy with an 8lb gain really needs to be more realistic about what to expect.
Rodja
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Here's a funny story:
On our home forum, there was a thread started by a guy who wanted his money back because he said the cycle didn't work up to his expectations. We asked him what results he did get and he said he put on 8-9lbs and lost 2-3% BF. Everyone was dumfounded and asked exactly what he was expecting.
T50
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Reminds me of the dude who said AnaBeta didn't work when he gained 4 pounds in a month, got stronger, and lost fat.
fightbackhxc
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Well I took Anabeta and expected 365 lbs of lean mass but....it didnt work for me.
bla55
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I think a lot of people expect that any hormone or ph should give them the ridiculous gains that will make them look like a hollywood star or a football player; I believe they all expect to be putting on ridiculous amount of muscle, comparable to strong injectable stuff, even thought it's non toxic and whatnot.
I have been putting on quite a few lbs while on AM and AH, I'm just worried it may all just be water weight, but can't complain too much so far.
I have been putting on quite a few lbs while on AM and AH, I'm just worried it may all just be water weight, but can't complain too much so far.
bill86
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yeah, i guess my reasoning was that the ratings were on a 'neutral' website where people would have probably been less likely to have been doing sponsored logs, etc. but then i saw that there were no real reviews, just ratings, which makes it kind of sketchy.
on a sidenote: what can we expect from the newer version of AM? is it more of a situation of fixing some minor problems in it, or making some general additions/changes (i always hate when a company changes the formula for a product only to make it worse, ie, my opinion of SP 250 v. sp max, assault v1 vs assault v2, etc).
as ive been saying, its probably going to be another year before ive got money to spare to try out my first cycle (bc i want to do it right, with all the right supports, etc, after all its taken me damn near 10 years before getting the guts to finally run a cycle).
im thinking first id like to run AH, probably over spring/summer, then try AM (or AB) that fall or winter, im just hoping the newer versions are still as good as what ive been hearing around here about the current ones. as far as im concerned, if i could gain 4-5 lbs on AH while cutting a little bit, id be VERY happy. with AM, keeping a total of 8-10 lean lbs would be INCREDIBLE imo.
BigBlackGuy
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For sure the AH will keep off a lot of the water gain, plus in your log you're upping weight on a ton of exercises so that should help stimulate further muscle gains. Keep rolling brother!
ryansm
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We really only had maybe 4-5 sponsored logs, most of what you are hearing is from customers who purchased the product
bill86
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oh yeah, id definitely pay extra to not have to worry about as many sides.
like ive said before, once i get my refund check and sell my books back before summer, ill probably buy some. although, like i said, id like to try ah first to see how i respond seeing as ive never taken a ph. also, im not sure if the trs stack alone is gonna cut it for am, and im not trying to order a serm.
first id like to talk to my doctor though (not that i think he'd truly give me a straight answer, and an endocrinologist would probably be better), i wonder how AH or AM would interact with ssri's?? anyone here have any experience?
like ive said before, once i get my refund check and sell my books back before summer, ill probably buy some. although, like i said, id like to try ah first to see how i respond seeing as ive never taken a ph. also, im not sure if the trs stack alone is gonna cut it for am, and im not trying to order a serm.
first id like to talk to my doctor though (not that i think he'd truly give me a straight answer, and an endocrinologist would probably be better), i wonder how AH or AM would interact with ssri's?? anyone here have any experience?
Rodja
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The best thing would be to look into SSRI and grapefruit interaction.
bill86
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incase anyone had the same question, i saw a lot online about interaction, but i rarely like to listen to random people give their opinions on the internet when they arent qualified in those areas.... with that said
the pharmacist just told me "you're welcome to drink as much grapefruit juice as you like, just dont drink it at the same time you take your medication because they use the same enzyme (etc, etc), so the medication may sit in your stomach for longer periods of time. however, you'll be ok as long as you dont drink it with your medication"... she didnt give an exact time difference and i didnt ask, but i figure taking the ssri several hours later would be sufficient. not to mention, she thought i was asking because i wanted to drink a whole glass (or more) of grapefruit juice, not because i was going to get a small amount in some ph's lol.
her tone of voice also made me feel like it wasnt a big deal, so im gonna go with it.... just wont mix the two. but hey, maybe ill get a 2nd opinion from my doctor or someone else next time i pick up my prescription, just to be safe.
the pharmacist just told me "you're welcome to drink as much grapefruit juice as you like, just dont drink it at the same time you take your medication because they use the same enzyme (etc, etc), so the medication may sit in your stomach for longer periods of time. however, you'll be ok as long as you dont drink it with your medication"... she didnt give an exact time difference and i didnt ask, but i figure taking the ssri several hours later would be sufficient. not to mention, she thought i was asking because i wanted to drink a whole glass (or more) of grapefruit juice, not because i was going to get a small amount in some ph's lol.
her tone of voice also made me feel like it wasnt a big deal, so im gonna go with it.... just wont mix the two. but hey, maybe ill get a 2nd opinion from my doctor or someone else next time i pick up my prescription, just to be safe.
Rodja
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Talk to the doctor that prescribed it just to be safe. The amount in a serving of AM is ~16oz of GFJ.
BurghHardcore
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I recall seeing this....some peoples kids...
I recall seeing this as well... :blink:
bill86
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because a) ive never used a ph hormone before, so i dont want to start with the harshest one available, and b) (most importantly) i don't want to have to use a serm, and ive seen logs of people recovering (or, at least, not losing any of their size or strength and continuing to make gains throughout and after pct) from using trs or trs+tcf1
BigBlackGuy
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AMS=1/4 the price and 1/10 the active ingredient.
Assuming you men the forerunner lab product?
Rodja
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I think he might mean the AMS 1-Andro product.
Colbert
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Wait....PP PH doesn't require a SERM? Even transderm requires a SERM.
Are you scared of SERM or something?
You guys understand Prohormones are Pro-hormones
bill86
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i just said ive seen logs with people who have recovered without a serm
a) being that im weary of putting a ph in my body, yes, im also weary about putting a prescription drug that's made for women that i find on the internet being sold as a 'research chemical' in my body. b) even more than that, im not trying to get in trouble ordering one, no matter how small the risk. just recently my friend was telling me of someone he heard of that got in trouble for them.
and no, i dont know what prohormones means
a) being that im weary of putting a ph in my body, yes, im also weary about putting a prescription drug that's made for women that i find on the internet being sold as a 'research chemical' in my body. b) even more than that, im not trying to get in trouble ordering one, no matter how small the risk. just recently my friend was telling me of someone he heard of that got in trouble for them.
and no, i dont know what prohormones means
Rodja
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Prohormone is basically a precursor to an active steroid. While it may have some intrinsic activity (e.g. 4AD), most of the anabolic effects will be due to the conversion to the active (e.g. 4AD---->Test). Where it gets confusing is that most of the so-called "PHs" available are actually orally active designer steroids (e.g. SD).
Rodja
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I guess he's trying to make the point that you're still adding exogenous hormones into the body and will always require a SERM no matter how mild the compound is.
bill86
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oh, gotcha....
i guess i just dont know... i mean, what did people do years ago when there were no serms? and im talking SHORT cycles here, like 4 weeks.... a buddy of mine took epistane around 30mg for 3 weeks which helped shrink his gyno (although, he said it only helped on one side), and im 99% sure he used an otc pct, probably an all-in-one actually, but im not totally sure about that. correct me if im wrong, because i know theyre both mild, but i assumed AM to be just a bit milder than epi with regard to suppression. and id say the TRS stack is a hell of a lot better than almost any other otc pct out there.
i guess i just dont know... i mean, what did people do years ago when there were no serms? and im talking SHORT cycles here, like 4 weeks.... a buddy of mine took epistane around 30mg for 3 weeks which helped shrink his gyno (although, he said it only helped on one side), and im 99% sure he used an otc pct, probably an all-in-one actually, but im not totally sure about that. correct me if im wrong, because i know theyre both mild, but i assumed AM to be just a bit milder than epi with regard to suppression. and id say the TRS stack is a hell of a lot better than almost any other otc pct out there.
AaronJP1
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bill86 said:
AMS was my first PH cycle as they called it.
I got it cause the tabs are sublingual (melt under tounge).
Cost was reasonable.
The kit was complete with PCT.
It was non methyl.
Wanted something mild that I didnt have many sides with and I did 4 weeks.
No bad experiences.
I haven't fully maxed my bodys potential with food and training yet. Once I do that if I want to go further I will use a methyl ph if I feel like it.
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bubsnt3
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I don't agree with this at all. If I do a serious cycle and I don't put on at least 15 lean pounds, I am not happy. I will take it to the limit to reach this goal though and find Superdrol/Test making it into my cycles more often then not.. What can I say, I am eccentric.. Most of the people I hang with wouldn't be happy with that either and we are all well over 200 lbs with relatively low BF.. I say serious cycle meaning an all out bulk.. I will do recomps/cuts and am happy if I gain 5.. Or just don't lose too much.. Depends on what you goal is.. But bulking I like to bulk..
That said, I would probably gain 15lbs on PPs product in 8 weeks. This is nothing about the product and who knows how hard these people are actually pushing it.. An old friend of mine did a 12 week cycle of Phera (30mg,) Superdrol (30mg,) and the GenX Fina and only gained 14 pounds.. But.. Everytime you saw him at the gym he was wondering around, lifting a weight here or there.. Cutting out before his face was red.. Just not serious..
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bubsnt3
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Very well said.. One of the consequences of selling roids over the internet.. Any 18 (or 12) year old that wants to bulk up is going to take them.. It would be interested to do a "1 year after" study on some of these people to see what has happened.. I am guessing most would be either less weight than the previous year, injured or on their 3rd cycle.
T-Bone
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The TRS from PP isn't toxic to your liver like SERMS are. Not a lot of people research what SERMS actually are and how the can damage your body, just willy-nilly taking some "research chem" purchased over the internet produced probably is someones dirty "lab" basement with no regard for sanitation. Yeah sign me up!. I'm tough and over 200 pounds like all my friends I hand out with!.
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bubsnt3
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hope that wasn't directed at me.. I said that to indicate that we had plenty of work-out experience and still gain during a cycle.. Not to say we are big and tough.. If it was directed at me, don't be a stupid ass.. Inteligence is your friend.. Try to stay in context with the conversation..
Otherwise, if it wasn't directed at me.. Sorry, a few drinks and you can read anything anyway
bill86
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thats another good point, id be a bit worried of interactions if someone were able to write me a prescription for one and get it from the pharmacy, much less get it from a random sketchy internet site.
but like i said, im also not taking the chance of getting caught (like i said before, yes, people DO get caught) because of where im at with school and everything, ive done a lot of stupid things and this would be one thats easily avoidable that id like to avoid.
have you had any personal experience with the TRS? if so, what ph did you run it for?
bubsnt3
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Not that you asked for my opinion.. But.. SERMS are necessary (for now, researching GNRH which looks promising for restoring test..) for a cycle.. You cannot get "Caught" unless you are selling it or shooting it outside of your house. Maybe it is my criminal back-ground but WTF.. Research Chems are a joke.. If they go after anyone, it would be a distributor.. I can buy MDPV, MDMC, any JWH or legal pot alternative, etc.. They are selling those in gas stations and cannot even prosecute the operators.. But.. If you cannot lie to the cops about what you are doing with it, choose another hobby because any of these "PH" can be called illegal if they really wanted to enforce it.. With the exeption of anything that occurrs naturally in our food and is not scheduled (11-oxo, etc.) The wording is clear in the steroid control act. Any substance structurally related to testosterone.. But they haven't prosecuted yet.. Research Chems are very low on the scale if you are using within your own home.. If you want to get paranoid.. PHs are just as "illegal"
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