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Dancing with 'tropins: BodyWizard's GH experiment

hello, bw!
thank you for this inspiring thread. Apologies in advance for a clumsy post, this is the 1st forum I've ever tried. I've followed "dancin" as a guest since Dec. I'm very shy so this is
tough for me, I wanted to pm you but I couldn't,guess I need more points. I'm 40, martial arts student since I was 10, kung fu,shoalin, wing chun, paqua, hsing i, tai chi (yang style). This was my release,my outlet, my weapon against self destructive behavior and depression for yrs. In '01 a traffic accident resulted in a back injury, L-4 & 5 are torn and the 2 above them are bulging. My ortho says arthritis
is now in the facet joints at the base of my spine. I live with my parents to help my dad take care of my mom, she's undergoing chemo for ovarian cancer that has metastisized to her liver. We live in Slidell La, or what's left of it, my childhood home though not washed away was completey flooded most of its contents destroyed. Because of my injury my life has been in a standstill for yrs, I've had app 11 procedures in the past 18 mos. with no relief. The latest a discography and IDET on mar 8. I'm intrigued by tropins and curious about any regerative effects. I don't mean a direct effect on my discs or their damage, but I, like you would like to try and "reset the clock a little". If they could help with muscle tone and in the slightest bit help with the chronic pain(cissus products are on my radar as well). I see my Dr on Apr 17 for another post op eval, and if he ok's it I would like to start a swim routine, for muscular devlelopemt, from there maybe 18 lohan qigong and eventually puqua circle walking and some palm changes. I'm writing to you from a FEMA trailer in our driveway on my sister's laptop, Katrina claimed my computer. My research time is limited as is my computer access, our only comp line is in the trailer so my on line time is sporodic as we take turns sitting with mom. Chemo is ugly, nasty business...so mom takes first priority. When she's quiet and resting i can surf and have looked into hgh etc, but I haven't the knowledge base that you guys have aquired. I'm getting no financial relief from FEMA or my parents insurance as I fall into the gray area of "not a renter and not a property owner". I dont qualify for assistance but i still qualify to pay taxes. I've been squirrling away money for months, between copays and med bills, hoping to give IBE a try. From my very limited knowledge I can't decide between ora or hex. My funds are limited but I would be very interested in any and all supplements you would recommend. This is very important to me as I've been in a body brace for 9 mos now, my father is 67 yrs old, he needs me: between trying to rebuild his home to caring for mom he's overwhelmed and i'm barely functional. I respect your opinion as well as EEmain, ryano and the others I've seen show you such warmth and support. Sorry I was so long winded I promise brevity in the future. Any info from you gents would be greatly appreciated. Thank You.
 
cowardly lion said:
sorry, I meant "regenerative" effect, told you this stuff makes me nervous:run: :run:
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There are some interesting threads on this board regarding fast/full recovery from lower back injuries and IGF-1.
 
I have had a recurring lower back problem...IGF and my Keen sandals worked wonders...I also tore something in my upper ribcage using a leg press(heard an audible POP!)..I went from not being able to tie my shoes to full recovery in a week in a half. Something like a torn ligament in the ribcageshould have taken at least 4 weeks to 6 weeks from what I have read.
 
Malek256 said:
There are some interesting threads on this board regarding fast/full recovery from lower back injuries and IGF-1.
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thanks bro, still clumsy at navigating am.com. still a killer site
though. From what I've been reading everyone's pinning. Not
sure, call me a wuss, thats a little hard core for me.......................yet.
 
ryano said:
I have had a recurring lower back problem...IGF and my Keen sandals worked wonders...I also tore something in my upper ribcage using a leg press(heard an audible POP!)..I went from not being able to tie my shoes to full recovery in a week in a half. Something like a torn ligament in the ribcageshould have taken at least 4 weeks to 6 weeks from what I have read.
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what type of igf? I'm intrigued. Still not sure if I'm at the right IBE site, Innovative-research.net? Do they have another? How long have used Igf, sounds like u r getting
descent response. Thanks for answering man!
 
I was referring to igflr3...Ibe is planning on picking it up ...But I believe Muscle Research(one of our board sponsers is having a special)
 
cowardly lion said:
thanks bro, still clumsy at navigating am.com. still a killer site
though. From what I've been reading everyone's pinning. Not
sure, call me a wuss, thats a little hard core for me.......................yet.
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Nope, I wouldn't call you that - anything I take is legal in Canada and no skin breaks. :)

So if you're a wuss, I'm double LOL :blink:

That's why I suggested you cruise through the search because I can't advise with any reliability on IGF-1 or any "compound" use (no experience) -> I just know herbs, natty stuff.
 
:frustrate Yes!!! It was accidental! I'm so sorry! Thanks for
the post. Just another example of my superior manual dexterity and awesome hand/eye coordination! And now for my next trick....:D
Seriuosly thouugh BW seems pretty quiet, I hope things are
going ok with him, I understand he has a lot on his plate.
Have a great weekend Ryan, the CL is off to the grind.:woohoo:
 
Im sure he is fine...hes a tough guy...just have to prod him a couple of times for an update:stick:
 
Week 19 of 32 / Hexatropin #4

Weight: 200# Waist: 37.75“ Bodyfat: 16.9%

Off - - - -04/09
Dose 1 - 04/10
Off - - - - 04/11
Dose 2 - 04/12
Off - - - - 04/13
Dose 3 - 04/14
Dose 4 - 04/15
Dose 5 - 04/16

Weight: 206# Waist: 39.5“ Bodyfat: 16.3%

The house has been in a (very quiet) uproar for 2-3 weeks now: daughter’s coming home for the summer in about 3 weeks & I’m trying to get the place put back together again, sans wife.

Things in that department are screwy: she seems to think that everything should be just ducky now - that the problem was us living together, not our incompatible personalities. She seems very affronted by the idea that her choices could have caused any of this. She also can’t seem to imagine why I might be angry.

Stress level remains stratospheric: along with taking on the hefty expense of this place, trying to put the house back together, planning for my daughter’s return, it looks like I’m about to be out of a job. As my boss put it yesterday, people don’t come there to see me, they come to see him.

Fair enough, but you know what? I need a break, to get drunk, get laid, get out of town - something. I'm wound up tighter than I've ever been, and I'm beginning to crack around the edges.

In the words of Zathras: "not good; definitely not good".

Back tomorrow w/ week 20 - believe it or not!
 
Re: Week 19 of 32 / Hexatropin #4

Wizard, what you need is what you've been heading towards in smaller steps: to reclaim and reinvent yourself.

Can I suggest - sell your house. You no longer owe "keeping the house together" for anyone. Putting it up for sale will free up some cash, it will remove the ties to your EX-wife (remember, that's the word here, EX) and finding a smaller place will not only reduce the bills (and thus, mean if you need a new job, it doesn't have to pay as much) but most important it will let YOU decide what YOU want!! No, actually it will FORCE you to rediscover you have things you can do, things you can choose and that YOU ARE IN CONTROL!!

Sure your daughter can come home to be with you - but it's YOUR HOME TOO and it doesn't have to be the same location!! She's visiting YOU. She's an adult now, when I was her age I was 100% looking after myself, no family help. Held down 3 part-time jobs while going to school, my own place with roommates.

Not saying that's what you should make her do - but I lived, know what I mean? DO SOMETHING FOR YOU NOW.

That home isn't making you happy and it's a CAGE. Unload it, be rid of the memories, be onto the path to the NEW YOU. There is a whole new road and it will be a good one. GO FOR IT!!

you're a cool guy - I think you just haven't learned to believe in yourself fully yet.
 
Malek256 said:
There are some interesting threads on this board regarding fast/full recovery from lower back injuries and IGF-1.
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I don't know why someone neg repped me for this message?

LOL - no I just read ryano ha ha, I think cowardly accidentally negged me :icon_lol:

ah well...
 
It is only by passing through the valley that we reach the mountaintop. Time to change the focus from what is wrong with to what is working my friend. Do what you do and let the rest just be...
 
Week 20 of 32 (or so) / Hexatropin #4

Weight: 206# Waist: 39.5“ Bodyfat: 16.3%

Off - - - - 04/17
Off - - - - 04/18
Dose 6 - 04/19
Off - - - - 04/20
Dose 7 - 04/21
Dose 8 - 04/22
Dose 9 - 04/23 (tonight)

Weight: 202# Waist: 38.25“ Bodyfat: 15.4%

I just don’t know if I trust these numbers: I feel like I’m wearing a blubber suit (and look it, too (to my eyes)....
Still, I’m very consistent re: time/day/sites, and every time I’ve taken a reading on the left side, I’ve gotten identical results. Acid test is breathing restriction while bending forward or raising knees, and by that measure, VAT is definitely going down.

On a different front, I went to the sports clinic about my knee this week: good news is, don’t need surgery; bad news is, physical therapy is my only option (apparently I have ”runner’s knee”, or Patello-Femoral Pain Syndrome...by far the most common form of knee pain, I’m told). Bottom line, I should be pain-free in 6-8 weeks, with proper PT - and as long as I don’t do anything stupid like carry things, move furniture, lift weights, climb stairs, do yard work or squat - anything that makes my knee hurt, in other words. Too bad I drive a stick....

On the ‘stress-level’ thing: got a call from my brother @ like 2AM so I could listen to his drunk wife rip him a new one. Just not my idea of late-night conversation, y’know? Personally, I blame my grandfather, for marrying a woman who couldn’t stand him (I always figured they “had to”...if you follow me). It was the beginning of an ugly family tradition - one kept by his son, and (so far) his grandsons.
 
Welcome "Cowardly" Lion!

after reading your story, I just can't call you "cowardly" with a straight face: your trials make my own troubles seem small indeed.

I'll cut to the chase, as I'm running about 2 hours behind, here, & still have a 90-min drive ahead of me: you can hardly go wrong w/ the GHRP-6, whether it's Hexatropin or Ectotropin (I imagine the injectable is every bit as effective, but I don't pin - had contact w/ junkies at an early age, & it made an impression).

I will not pretend that it will turn your situation around, but it WILL help you heal - faster, maybe, but almost certainly better: my big success in this has been my shoulder, which was so damaged I could barely lift a pink dumbbell over my head without re-injuring it: now I'm lifting weights I couldn't lift before, and I'm able to just do things that were agonisingly painful for years - with no pain, no ill-effect.

I think your inclination toward chi kung & yoga is spot-on: I know my flexibility suffered greatly as my pains increased, and that created more problems and more pain. Keeping the body moving & the joints open is an excellent way to stave off deterioration and to gently challenge the body's healing mechanisms. Adding the focused attention on the body itself, and its movement, invigorates the entire process.

While I have not been in your situation, I have done a fair bit of parent care: DO remember to take care of yourself (sleep, food, time away - even if it's only a few minutes outside in the fresh air), and to forgive yourself for your limitations - you can only do what you can do!

And don't worry about brevity here, my friend: one of the real evils of modern society (IMO) is that we have so few opportunities where we feel we can truly let it all out.

And with that, Sir Lion, I gotta get moving: please keep us up-to-date!

Also, check for posts by BryanFury - there's a brother who's been working hard to overcome: I bet you'll find his posts inspirational / supportive.
 
Re: Week 19 of 32 / Hexatropin #4

Malek256 said:
Wizard, what you need is what you've been heading towards in smaller steps: to reclaim and reinvent yourself.

Can I suggest - sell your house. You no longer owe "keeping the house together" for anyone. Putting it up for sale will free up some cash, it will remove the ties to your EX-wife (remember, that's the word here, EX) and finding a smaller place will not only reduce the bills (and thus, mean if you need a new job, it doesn't have to pay as much) but most important it will let YOU decide what YOU want!! No, actually it will FORCE you to rediscover you have things you can do, things you can choose and that YOU ARE IN CONTROL!!

Sure your daughter can come home to be with you - but it's YOUR HOME TOO and it doesn't have to be the same location!! She's visiting YOU. She's an adult now, when I was her age I was 100% looking after myself, no family help. Held down 3 part-time jobs while going to school, my own place with roommates.

Not saying that's what you should make her do - but I lived, know what I mean? DO SOMETHING FOR YOU NOW.

That home isn't making you happy and it's a CAGE. Unload it, be rid of the memories, be onto the path to the NEW YOU. There is a whole new road and it will be a good one. GO FOR IT!!

you're a cool guy - I think you just haven't learned to believe in yourself fully yet.
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There's real wisdom in your words, Malik - thank you!

You're very right about me believing in myself: I was trained from birth NOT to believe in myself but to doubt myself, & instead to trust virtually everyone else - I'm still working to undo the damage, & that's a fact!

As for the house: I need no persuasion! What I need (and will have!) is time and money enough to fix the place up, get the landscaping in order, so I CAN sell it; the decision to keep the place was mostly to avoid being forced to move with no time to consider my options or make sensible plans. I can have the bulk done by autumn, and be ready to put the place up next spring (I'm pretty sure).

After that...Maui? Montana? Massachusetts?

Also, it seemed like a dirty trick to play on my kid: welcome home, sweetie, your stepmother and I have broken up, I've moved out of our old neighborhood, and all your stuff is in storage - have a nice summer! Sure I could do it that way...or at least, I don't have to do it the way I'm doing it; but a vow I made to myself when she was born was that I would not treat her as if she didn't matter. I don't want to bequeathe my broken places to her. Besides, I haven't seen her since she turned 18, and I haven't had a chance to go into it with her about what's different about her status.

Oh, and as far as putting the house together: I don't mean it in a "keeping up appearances" sort of way, but just making use of the space she vacated & arranging things to suit me, not the ex. One thing I'm doing for me right now. Another is shopping for a new bed - I haven't had a bed of my own since I was a teenager; always slept in whatever mattress someone was getting rid of that was better than the last give-away I'd picked up, so this is kind of a big deal for me.

Anyhow...hope this all does NOT sound dismissive - just trying to say that your points are good & here's where I am.

Right now, I have to get cleaned up & go to work - so I can tell my boss I'm taking 3 weeks off....
 
You have your head on straight bro - it's good to see!

Just remember something, you seem like a loyal friend to people around you - someone they can rely upon and trust.

If others trust you, you should trust yourself. Be your own best friend.
 
BW hope you don`t mind. I finished the M4 and finished the Hex. Now 1 week into Ecto... I feel bloated as all hell 248lbs to 256 in 2 weeks ( 1 gallon of water?) lethargy is kickin my ass. Could fall asleep at any moment zzzzzzzz :yawn: . 2 weeks into pct(novla 3ml-2ml-1ml) and my WO suck! Nolva or no M4 not sure but I feel as if I swallowed a watermellon:blink: Ordering stims but can`t decide which. EC doesn`t like me(headaches) Maybe a powder combo from on hand(Sulb-C-Tyrosine-Pir-Choline Bi) for my WO. Appetite is not ravenous anymore but still good. Muscles don`t feel as full as with the Hex but still hard. Strength has fallen back. But tomorrow is another day and we will see.
 
EE - might try N-acetyl-Tyro + alpha GPC + syneburn/citrum aurantium + 1/4-dose E. Most neg.effects of E I've had have been the result of taking too much for too long, but low-dose will boost the mix.

if not, it's an okay stack w/ no E - see what you think.
cAMPhibolic before bed is a good one, too!

Ecto is a different critter, aint it?

you're always welcome, bro - no worries! :thumbsup:
 
BodyWizard said:
EE - might try N-acetyl-Tyro + alpha GPC + syneburn/citrum aurantium + 1/4-dose E. Most neg.effects of E I've had have been the result of taking too much for too long, but low-dose will boost the mix.

if not, it's an okay stack w/ no E - see what you think.
cAMPhibolic before bed is a good one, too!

Ecto is a different critter, aint it?

you're always welcome, bro - no worries! :thumbsup:
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Thanks! Seems it is different. Less of a medicine taste also. ( -Hex)

Bought some Superpump 250 for WO I really like this stuffr. Will try cutting the E in 1/4 and see.
 
Week 21 of 32 / Hexatropin #4

Weight: 202# Waist: 38.25“ Bodyfat: 15.4%

Off - - - - - -04/24
Off - - - - - -04/25
Dose 10 - 04/26
Dose 11 - 04/27
Dose 12 - 04/28
Dose 13 - 04/29

Weight: 200# Waist: 37.5“ Bodyfat: 16.3%

an interesting week.

physical therapy has been interesting: my knees hurt both more AND less.
not really sure what to make of that.

I no longer work for my friend - both a relief and a disappointment
relief because the dysfunctional BS was reminding me of my marriage;
disappointment because I approached it as a temporary thing (3 weeks)
& he took it as an opportunity to move me out completely.

fine; good riddance to a rapidly-toxifying situation.
I’d rather have him as a friend than a boss.

the MOST interesting thing is I’ve been getting to know a woman.
(*SHOCK*SURPRISE*)

strange story:
don’t remember how many years ago I met her (really);
always was told she was a walking disaster, and nothing about her contradicted it.
as a result, I always steered wide of her, without regret.
(well, not *too* much regret, but rumor had it she was a total freak, so there was *some* regret)

anyway, after having disappeared for a number of years,
she re-appeared among the flotsam of hurricane Katrina early in April;
she seemed different - more real or something, and somehow we got to talking while hanging w/ mutual friends.
seen her 3-4 times now under the same circumstances, and we just talk up a storm.

Friday night, we spent practically the whole night talking together - not ignoring everyone else, just feeling connected; clearly, I never expected even to talk to her, much less enjoy her company & find things in common with her. the party closed down shortly before dawn, and we curled up on the couch together, holding hands. Come the morning, we continued to laze on the couch, drinking coffee, watching cartoons & enjoying how it felt to be that comfortable that close to each other. Eventually we went to lunch together, exchanged phone numbers, and went to our respective domiciles for some real sleep.

there was no sex: I’m pretty sure neither of us would have fought off the other’s advances, but it just felt really good - safe & cozy & comfortable, really natural - to lie there together in the dark, holding hands & drifting off.

no idea where this could go, but we talked about it some: both of us have had the shock of realising that the other is not who we thought they were, both of us feel good spending time together, and both of us are interested in seeing where this goes & what it’s about.

even if I'm totally wrong about everything, it can't be a bigger disaster tha my marriage(s).
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

okay enough of that....
 
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Good for you! I enjoy laying in bed talking to my wife almost as much as ... well you get the idea:rofl:


OT: C-Lion are you still neg repping people by accident? Or maybe it is just coming up with red and grey bars and no points +/- because you haven`t any points to give.
 
Not sure what was happening, EE. I was trying to show thanks for responses. But I'm on a laptop with this damn fingerpad mouse. I usually log on late night, and in the dark!!
If she's having a bad time, nausea, bone pain from Nupogen then the lights are on but I'm still otherwise distracted. I think I'll stick to lurking until I get out of this Fema tin can. A lot less embarrasing!
 
I think it is the second answer! The default is positive rep and you would need to change it. Get some points (rep power) on board ie... post more! You may only need 10 posts for points!
 
EEmain said:
Good for you! I enjoy laying in bed talking to my wife almost as much as ... well you get the idea:rofl:
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indeed I do!

it's just shocking, the difference between spending time w/ her vs being w/ the ex: she's easy to talk to, and not shy about throwing in her comments, opinions & observations (that's a diff of lungs vs gills, right there), and she's smart & well-read enough for her contributions to be additive, funny & thought-provoking; we seem to be on the same page almost all the time (though we don't see everything the same way) - this is another gills v. lungs thing...or maybe 'Geek-Grrl vs the Junior League'...

No sex so far - and it's been tough talking her out of it... :toofunny:
thing is, I've screwed up my life a few too many times by getting involved when I should have watched and waited - and so has she; but the attraction between us is strong (and she's a worthy kisser), and we - that is, I - keep reminding us that as much as we'd like to give in, neither of us wants a plate of cold regrets in the morning.

Net result is I'm spending a lot of time this week feeling like a horny teenager!
 
Geez things just keep getting better and better for you.

I say go for it and get some luvin ...its good for you. All your worries will disappear and you will sleep like a babe.

Just because you go for a roll in the hay doesnt mean you have to become an item.
 
true dat - but the delay builds up a sweet charge, y'know?
and so much more fun to indulge when you have the time to play....

truth is, we met 12-13 years ago, got off on a very bad foot, and have only just started talking & discovered that we were apparently very wrong about each other...but there was so many misunderstandings & assumptions, that we want to give all that some time to dissipate.

I doubt we can hold out more than another week or so...and it is gonna be SO worth the wait!

okay, time to go work out & howl at the moon for a while!
 
BW, just a thought. Have you looked into REM-R3G at all? Seems like it would fit in well with your goals. Supposed to help with stress also. I haven't gotten any yet, so I can't say from personal experience.

Just a thought.
 
Looks like shes got you motivated ! One week ? ha ! Yeah I did the whole lets wait its soo much fun ..the anticipation all that stuff... only to find out.. Why in the hell did we wait soo long when we could have been doing this the whole time.

Have fun.

:cheers:
 
ryano said:
Looks like shes got you motivated ! One week ? ha ! Yeah I did the whole lets wait its soo much fun ..the anticipation all that stuff... only to find out.. Why in the hell did we wait soo long when we could have been doing this the whole time.

Have fun.

:cheers:
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I am not sure about this but here goes anyway... the last 2 days I have felt really good. No lethargy or not noticable. Good muscle fullness.
Finished 2 weeks of Ecto last night. I am wondering if the HEX overpowers the Ghrp-6 in Hexatropin. And it took 2 weeks to catch back up. Just a subjective thought on how I feel.
 
BW - you might consider an anti-cortisol supplement to help with mood (and the high amount of stress that you seem to have).

I'd recommend Lean Xtreme.

EE - I like Basic Cuts with some green tea for pre-WO energy.
Then there are the "dirty stims" like StimX or Venom (that keep me up until 1am after taking at 6am).
Amp is some fun stuff too - not a real long half-life like StimX/Venom.
 
My 3 cents (abreviated version):
Lived with 3 women (not at once LOL!!!), engaged 3 times, married the last one, divorced, all break-ups bad, last one really bad. If it weren't for the gym....anyway, after some misguided need for companionship and a woman's touch, I met my girlfriend of over 4 years. She lives over an hour away and has 3 teenagers. She's f-in Superwoman!!! Works full-time, goes to the gym most every day, does all, and I mean all the mom things (none of the kids are old enough to drive yet), ex is a freakin moron (fact, not opinion) and has become a mid-life nympho. Sorry guys, no details!! Bottom line: There are diamonds out there although they are usually not the ones in the front of the display case. She's my best friend and biggest fan. (we became friends before lovers) Do it right. If she's the ONE, it will be worth it. There are 2 classic rock songs that have guided and inspired me through some very tough times riddled with self doubt and despair. Though neither are close to being epic classics, their messages are clear: Boston's "Don't Look Back" and Asia's "Sole Survivor" (ya, I'm a wee bit older than a lot of you guys!). Point being: Stay strong and leave the past where it belongs. You're on your way bro no matter how it goes with this woman (though it sounds quite promising). Trust me on this.
Oh, and keep those damn updates coming LOL!!!
Peace
 
Week 22 of 32 / Hexatropin #4

Weight: 200# Waist: 37.5“ Bodyfat: 16.3%

Off - - - - - - 04/30
Dose 14 - - 05/01
Dose 15 - - 05/02
Dose 16 - - 05/03
Dose 17 - - 05/04
Off - - - - - - 05/05

Weight: 194# Waist: 37.75“ Bodyfat: 16.0%

My physical therapy is driving me nuts...
I can't tell if anything's improving, my knees hurt more sometimes, and I’m not supposed to sit crosslegged, lift weights, or perform activities that stress my knee (which seems to add up to ‘living’). I feel like I’m losing muscle despite all the exercise, and gaining fat despite the lost weight. PFUI!

My one-legged balance has shot thru the roof, so clearly my legs are much stronger than they were.

Have been busybusy so stress level hasn’t been so bad, but tomorrow’s the day the girl comes home & we break the news, so forget what I said about stress levels.... (jmh80 - I was using LX, but had to cut it out, due to excruciating joint pain - I seem to be *very* susceptible to it...wish they still made Ab-Solved....)

Mostly just niggling loose ends to tie up around here - but there’s a lot of them: hanging the soundproofing in the studio, clearing out the rest of the computer stuff from what will be the workout room - and moving bench/weights/etc in, not hiding all my supplements from myself inadvertently (need to cap up more joint & vitC blends, maybe other stuff), not hiding important paperwork inadvertently, remembering what I’ve promised everyone, doing laundry and finding places for a lot of stuff that either has no place or has outgrown its place (ie, video collection won’t fit on its rack anymore, etc).

Oh, and clean the carpets & reload the junk drawer & redo the storage - no way I'm getting all this done in time, but every bit done is good....

I will be SO GLAD when this is behind me; I hate the thought of giving her news I know will upset her, but I really need to be done with this part of it, at least. I know her, I know she’ll handle this - she’s strong, smart, resilient & has a solid foundation as a human being, so I don’t actually worry about that, now that her freshman-year exams no longer hang in the balance...it’s that, in a sense, Wife & I have been in the process of breaking up ever since we moved in together, and that’s turned into a sort of extreme-endurance event (minus the endorphins) - my own Long March.

Weight’s dropped pretty significantly over the last 2-3 weeks - 12#? would be alarmed, but there’s too many emergency signals for me to panic over one of them. Even so, panic is almost never warranted. In this case, the effect of torem.cit could be drying me out, as could the dopamine-sparing effects of the selig.

Can say with certainty that VAT is in retreat: bending forward @ the waist no longer triggers a feeling of suffocation or discomfort.

Hair & nails still growing strongly, but thin & brittle, which tells me my protein is sub-opt. Scalp has filled in significantly: although plainly balding (thin/sparse on top & at crown), the size of this obvious patch is reduced by 50% since this all began. The new hair infiltrates from the perimeter by stealth...right now, the obviously-bald-looking-area is much *less* sparse than it looks: I anticipate it may dwindle entirely over the next 2-3 months.

General fitness level has dramatically increased since beginning this dance: in a nutshell, I don’t feel old anymore. Ironically, I don’t feel particularly ”fit“ (as in strong or athletic), but in terms of overall energy levels, physical activity, resilience, resistance & NMIC, I’d have to say I’m closing in on my middle goal: getting back to where I was in ‘97/’98, before I started getting sick (to recap: small goal was to get back to where I was 3-4 years ago, before my most recent reversals began; large goal was / is to get my physiological age as near to 30-35 as possible.

Must give props to this woman I’ve started seeing; my body, long inert sexually, is now quite responsive (another reason why I chose a slower track) - relatively, of course, but still.... We went to a movie (V for Vendetta) over the weekend, and had a good time. Stopped for gas, and she got out & came around so she could rub up against me & kiss on me while the pump did its thing.... The real effect of all that is not physical, but it’s all connected, and it’s reassuring to know that my endocrine system is online!

Okay, time to post this puppy!

Current supplements:
GTE/Forslean (20% blend) - 3 ‘0’ caps 2-3x ED
Lean Extreme - discontinued
Glucophase - 1 2x ED
Melting Point - 1 3x ED
cissus - 2 ‘0’ 3x ED
Twinlab 1-A-Day w/o Iron - 2 2x
FOS - 500mg (.25 tsp) 3x ED
Red Yeast Rice/Co-Q10 - 60mg 2x ED
Vit.C/antioxidant blend 1 ‘00’ (~800mg) 3x ED
Syneburn 1 3xED
joint blend 2 ‘00’ 2-3x ED
torem.cit 60mg ED
seligilene 3mg ED

BryanFury - I'll take a look at the REM you mentioned
(an ashwaganda extract, I believe?) - thanks for the note!

EEMain - interesting point about the possibility of hex/ghrp-6 contention...anyone seen anything about this? will look into myself when I have some time, but....
 
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So, the deed is done, and daughter knows all (within reason / propriety); a big, fat non-event, if you want to know the truth. She's as happily herself as ever (though digesting things, I've no doubt).

As an added bonus, she brought this reality check:
- I've lost weight, I look great, I have my old sparkle back.

Emergency cancelled: everyone back in the pool!
 
That's great!!! I'm so happy for you! And she noticed the physical changes too? Awesome!! I've thought of you and said silent prayers daily my friend. Its great that you got that in the bag!
And speaking of bagging..... Ahem. This lady sounds like a keeper. I agree with superdrol, why rush? Enjoy the prelude; ride the crescendo of lustful anticipation and the sweet misery of arousal with denial to a glorious climax! ....hmmm, awkward pun:blink:
Not that EE and Ryan don't make valid positions. Oops I meant points...valid points.:twisted:
Not trying to be nosey, just want you to be happy big guy.

On a serious note. Do you have access to a sifu that teaches Tai chi? I don't know where u r located and yes lessons aren't free, but once you become comfortable enough with your progress that is something u can do at home as well. Maybe it's something and your new friend can explore together? Just a thought.
CL
 
:frustrate I meant SD1959, sorry dude! I agree with SD1959!!So now now that I've demonstrated I'm a dumb***:run:
My point remains, I'm happy for you:dance:
 
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So, the deed is done, and daughter knows all (within reason / propriety); a big, fat non-event, if you want to know the truth. She's as happily herself as ever (though digesting things, I've no doubt).

As an added bonus, she brought this reality check:
- I've lost weight, I look great, I have my old sparkle back.

Emergency cancelled: everyone back in the pool!
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SPLASH!!!! :D
 
Glad she took it well.

Once again... sorry Cowardly ..but I say strike while the poker is hot! Tag it!
Life is too short... the afterlude is more fun than the prelude for sure.
 
we were talking about it the other night, and agree things could have gone either of 2 ways:
a hot & heavy fling (which both of us are (unfortunately) known for) that would have burned out quick,
or a long-burning, long-smouldering ultra-hot bed of coals that will burn a long, long time.

we both want to burn a long, long time....
 
cowardly lion said:
Do you have access to a sifu that teaches Tai chi? I don't know where u r located and yes lessons aren't free, but once you become comfortable enough with your progress that is something u can do at home as well. Maybe it's something and your new friend can explore together? Just a thought.
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and a good thought, too!

I've worked with a couple of teachers (who have at various times moved away), but don't have one currently. I still remember the basics & have found a teacher I'd love to work with. This (and yoga, and working out) are things we want to do together, and I'm sure I'll have news on that front soon enough. (it will be interesting to see how it all shakes out...as usual).

Good news is, I'm getting results from my PT - we started doing patellar taping last week, and results have been pretty dramatic. More on this when I recap the week.
 
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Weight: 194# - Waist: 37.75“ - Bodyfat: 16.0%

Dose 18 - - - - 05/08
Off - - - - - - - - -05/09
Off - - - - - - - - -05/10
Dose 19 - - - - 05/11
Dose 20 - - - - 05/12
Dose 01 - - - - 05/14

Weight: 194# - Waist: 38“ - Bodyfat: 15.4%

So as I was saying, good knews on the knee front: the PT has added patellar taping in conjunction with the exercise & stim and it’s all good: noticeable reduction in knee pain 2 full days later - even working the clutch pedal & going up ladders, the pain is significantly reduced. The PT will be filing for a treatment extention so we can use the taping regularly. Great news, as it means I really can expect to regain pain-free function.

as also mentioned earlier, the change in me between start of winter semester & now is reported by my daughter as dramatic. Nice to hear.

Daughter has gone to her mom’s for 3 weeks: she’ll be back up before it gets real hot.
In the meantime, New Squeeze and I will be spending (hopefully) a lot of time together.

COMPLICATIONS:
so, about my new friend...years ago, she used to date this guy I know (back before she got married, divorced & all) and they’ve stayed friends (?) ...and when she told him we were seeing each other, he went ballistic (apparently). Last night, I get a call from him around midnight, and we talk until 2 AM. He’s decided she’s the love of his life and he wants me to back off (FTR he did explicitly say that wasn’t what he was asking...except that’s *exactly* what he’s asking) so he can (try to) convince her to marry him.... It was after 4 before I could get to sleep

which basically means that today, I’m feeling very old, very tired and very sad.

I HATE feeling like this.

Apologies for the sob story, bros, but this is a most UNwelcome turn of events, consequences unknown.

I finally got some photos of my re-growing hair: I’ve tried to mark them to indicate the changes.
can't quite figure out how to move them around & such. for each, there's a matching one showing the previous 'high-water' mark
 

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BW, to go through so much and to come up so well means there is inevitably going to be a dip again. Bear it through bro, it will pass.

If you back off a little, she's more likely to just try to pursue you so long as you don't totally cold shoulder her. Meantime, they have their chat - she either realizes its a mistake with you (which is much,much,much,much better to find out NOW) or else it gets cleared and you can resume where you left off.

But don't forget - having someone in your life is great, but it's not what makes you who you are.

You're still on an upward trend.
 
Hit it !! dammit!! Hit it now before its too late !!

Just joking...yes this definately throws a wrench in things. Of course you know its up to her. Hopefully her friend understands this too. I agree with Malek as well. You are very vulnerable right now you wouldnt want her taking advantage of you!:whiner:

Glad to hear the knee is doing good. Your gonna need that.
 
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