DAA? What to stack with it?

[Jmw12393]

I've been thinking about running 3g of DAA a day

Had test levels ran, 630. Seems a tad low when normal levels are high 700s-800s for 23 years old.

 

[VaughnTrue]

DAA is useless, save your money. If you're looking for a libido boost, take a high dosed tribulus product and it'll work as well as anything OTC can except for full on male enhancement products like Stamina RX

 

[The Express 42]

Don't waste your time with DAA. I would try a M-test/Bulbine combo. Maybe just the bulbine since you didn't like Ash/Tongcat. My next suggestion would be running a cycle of Rebirth/Letrone. Lastly you could run a low dose serm or I have seen a few instance where low dose AI's have been shown to boost test when off cycle.

 

[Jmw12393]

It's not that I didn't like Ash/tongkat, I just didn't notice any of the effects from them.

But I will check into those

 

[john.patterson]

Agreed with the info above - DAA won't be worth your money. What products did you use that contained Tongkat Ali and the other ingredients you mentioned? Depending on what products you've used, it could be a quality and dosing issue that may have caused diminished benefits.

M-test is a good option, and I would also check out Alphamax XT. Alphamax XT is a very complete product that can help with increasing natural test levels, controlling cortisol/stress and estrogen levels, and helping to improve recovery. It also contains forskolin which can have the added benefits of improving body composition. Also note that Alphamax XT contains quality sourced ingredients and they are dosed at recommended/studied dosages

 

[Jmw12393]

Vitaminshoppe brand Ashwagandha, jarrow formulas Fulvic acid, source naturals tongkat Ali, and cardiovascular research ltd. forskolin

 

[Ricky10]

I second the opinions on DAA and everyone is going to recommend their own favorite test booster based on their own personal subjective experience and what they believe to work as far as ingredients.

As far as Triazole, it was a favorite of mine a few years ago, and I recently bought some for mild estrogen control/drying out affect. It is still a nice supplement. It is not overpowering, gives a slight pump, and has been great for libido. I am not noticing much of a drying out affect but I have only been using it for 10 days or so at just 1 pill in the morning and 1 at night. This dosing protocol is just due to other stuff I am taking.

As far as what is similar but better than Triazole, it would definitely be Myokem Alphadex which also utilizes Brassaiopsis Glomerulata extract, but the other ingredients are quite different and much more potent than what Triazole offers. Most people see a significant drying affect, increased urination, increased strength, vascularity, and libido. All while being joint friendly. This is like Triazole on steroids, and you have to be sure to stay hydrated on this. Yes, it is still available...

 

[Mowglisml]

Just another Don't waste your money with DAA from me. Go with any of the above recommendations on test boosters.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

Vitaminshoppe brand Ashwagandha, jarrow formulas Fulvic acid, source naturals tongkat Ali, and cardiovascular research ltd. forskolin

It looks like the VS ashwagandha is 475mg per cap of a 1.5% withanolide extract. How many caps were you using per day? A solid dose is 600mg/day of KSM-66, which is 5% withanolides. You'd need 4 caps of the VS extract to get that dose. Also, many extracts calculate the withanolide content using titration and/or gravimetry, which often gives overly-high readings compared to HPLC, which is what KSM-66 uses, so many 1.5% extracts actually would have significantly less than the 1.5% if they were standardized according to HPLC. If you haven't already tried KSM-66, I'd recommend giving it a try; Jarrow has very affordable KSM-66 caps. Also, what dose of the Source Naturals tongkat is quality, but it looks like it's only 80mg/cap I think, so you may have to take a few to several caps to really get benefits from it. As for the forskolin you mentioned, it is also quality, and effectively dosed assuming you used 2 caps per day. As others have mentioned, AlphaMax XT contains effective doses of all three of the above ingredients, as well as other potentiality useful/effective ingredients.

I'd also recommend not spending money on DAA in light of the newer research.

 

[R1balla]

Again, no to DAA.

The guys above took care of the suggestions for you. Let us know what you decide and I can see what website is offering the best deal at the moment.

 

[ryane87]

I would try CEL M-Test. Fadogia is a whole different animal, at least for me, in the libido department. Bulbine is another choice and some people have had luck with Tribulus as a libido enhancer. SNS makes both of these of you want a trusted brand.

 

[Ape McGrapes]

Def wait for the blood work, before you jump on anything. If this was a matter of losing libido it would be a different story, but seeing as this has been a lifetime issue, it seems there is a big issue that a shop can't correct right away.

Now not to get too personal, but what/how are your masturbation/porn habits? Libido isn't just linked to sex hormones. The mind is very powerful. Too much porn/masturbation can mess with neurotransmitters and effect libido.

 

[The Express 42]

Yeah as mentioned above, there is much better quality Ashwaghanda to be found in M-test and Alphamax XT. I would try the M test/Bulbine combo. Do you know where your estrogen is at? high estrogen can cause low libido, I think some Inhibit E, Virtus, or Letrone can be of assistance there. Lastly APEMcgrapes makes a great point. I had a point when I was 20 years old and had normal test and estrogen levels and could not figure out the source of my libido issues. I was watching WAY too much porn. Damn near everyday, if this sounds like you even 3-5 days a week I would say cut it out. This is a very slow process if may take your brain 3-5 months to recover depending on how much porn you were watching. Quit beating your eggs and stop watching porn completely for 3-6 months and watch your life turn around. A good resource is your brain on porn. com. If this doesnt sound like an Issue for you I hope this helps someone else because it was a sad sad time in my life.

 

[Nac]

If diet and training are in check you shouldnt need porn. Porn should only ever be just that, a supplement to real sex.

 

[Jmw12393]

It looks like the VS ashwagandha is 475mg per cap of a 1.5% withanolide extract. How many caps were you using per day? A solid dose is 600mg/day of KSM-66, which is 5% withanolides. You'd need 4 caps of the VS extract to get that dose. Also, many extracts calculate the withanolide content using titration and/or gravimetry, which often gives overly-high readings compared to HPLC, which is what KSM-66 uses, so many 1.5% extracts actually would have significantly less than the 1.5% if they were standardized according to HPLC. If you haven't already tried KSM-66, I'd recommend giving it a try; Jarrow has very affordable KSM-66 caps. Also, what dose of the Source Naturals tongkat is quality, but it looks like it's only 80mg/cap I think, so you may have to take a few to several caps to really get benefits from it. As for the forskolin you mentioned, it is also quality, and effectively dosed assuming you used 2 caps per day. As others have mentioned, AlphaMax XT contains effective doses of all three of the above ingredients, as well as other potentiality useful/effective ingredients.

I'd also recommend not spending money on DAA in light of the newer research.

I would take 2 caps a day of all of them.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

I would take 2 caps a day of all of them.

Ok. I'd try giving a quality ashwagandha a shot, 600mg/day of a 5% extract like KSM-66, and maybe a higher dose of tongkat ali, either the common LJ100 or something standardized for eurycomamine (spelling?), and there are also other ingredients/supplements that are worth looking into. Danes, how much tongkat ali would you recommend for us mortals (not Uncle Danes Dosing).

 

[Jmw12393]

I'm currently looking into all the different supplements that were mentioned. Would masturbation habits really affect test/estrogen levels though? Really it all depends... honestly some days more than others.

Just based on info from what I have now, a 630 test level to me is low, of course the doctors state it's a normal level, but everybody knows it could be higher, so I think a test booster would suffice. As for estrogen levels, I'm just basing that it's imbalanced due to the fact that I retain water very easily/bloat/low sex drive/and of course a lower test level.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

I'm currently looking into all the different supplements that were mentioned. Would masturbation habits really affect test/estrogen levels though? Really it all depends... honestly some days more than others.

Just based on info from what I have now, a 630 test level to me is low, of course the doctors state it's a normal level, but everybody knows it could be higher, so I think a test booster would suffice. As for estrogen levels, I'm just basing that it's imbalanced due to the fact that I retain water very easily/bloat/low sex drive/and of course a lower test level.

If your issue is purely/only related to libido and sex drive, your testosterone may not even be the culprit here. Your masturbation habits may effect your drive/libido, but that doesn't mean it's doing so by altering your hormone levels really.

 

[bb333]

How many grams of Maca do you take?

 

[Danes]

Ok. I'd try giving a quality ashwagandha a shot, 600mg/day of a 5% extract like KSM-66, and maybe a higher dose of tongkat ali, either the common LJ100 or something standardized for eurycomamine (spelling?), and there are also other ingredients/supplements that are worth looking into. Danes, how much tongkat ali would you recommend for us mortals (not Uncle Danes Dosing).

If we are talking about LJ100 (water soluble extract), I would recommend 1 cap (100mg) to begin with. Then increase the dose every 3th-5th day by one cap.
If the negative excess energy appear, tense feeling etc, then lower the dose and run that dose longer before increasing the dose.
Everything from 200mg to 800mg is good

 

[LeanEngineer]

I'd agree with the others and say ditch the DAA and pick up alphamax XT.

 

[Jmw12393]

Thanks for the feedback. I'll ditch the DAA. Another reason why I don't think it's porn habit is there are other signs of hormone imbalance as well. Not a lot of body hair and not as deep of a voice. Still continuing to look into the best supps but I may stick with Alphamax as I do see that one mentioned the most

 

[muscleupcrohn]

Thanks for the feedback. I'll ditch the DAA. Another reason why I don't think it's porn habit is there are other signs of hormone imbalance as well. Not a lot of body hair and not as deep of a voice. Still continuing to look into the best supps but I may stick with Alphamax as I do see that one mentioned the most

Ok. Not everyone has a ton of body hair and/or a deep voice though, just pointing it out; it may not be related to a hormone imbalance at all. Sorry if I missed it, but have you gotten complete hormome panel lab work done or plan on doing it?

 

[Jmw12393]

Yes searching for a reasonable priced one. I only have test levels and my yearly check up didn't include estrogen etc

 

[muscleupcrohn]

Yes searching for a reasonable priced one. I only have test levels and my yearly check up didn't include estrogen etc

Have you brought up your concerns with your doctor? Perhaps he/she would do that lab work if they knew you had some issues/concerns.

 

[Jmw12393]

I have brought it up in the past, and there was no result of it. Basically just sleep better, exercise, etc. Not much help from her. I'd probably have to seek a specialist, right?

 

[muscleupcrohn]

I have brought it up in the past, and there was no result of it. Basically just sleep better, exercise, etc. Not much help from her. I'd probably have to seek a specialist, right?

Are you sleeping well and exercising? If you are now, and have been for a little while, I'd like to think she'd be a bit more receptive and open to your concerns. Also, nothing I say is medical advice haha.

 

[Ape McGrapes]

Alphamax isn't going to fix your problem!

 

[Jmw12393]

Are you sleeping well and exercising? If you are now, and have been for a little while, I'd like to think she'd be a bit more receptive and open to your concerns. Also, nothing I say is medical advice haha.

Yes I sleep and exercise. I started intermittent fasting about 2 months ago and have been doing that, and yeah I know. I was just stating that I probably should seek someone who specializes in hormones and takes a closer look at it

 

[Jmw12393]

Even though this was a few years ago, I did go on a frenzy of doing a **** ton of drugs. Think that could have a play in it?

 

[The Express 42]

Even though this was a few years ago, I did go on a frenzy of doing a **** ton of drugs. Think that could have a play in it?

What kind of drugs, Im not a doctor but I am a registered nurse. I would say it could definitely still be a reason you're not 100%

 

[Jmw12393]

What kind of drugs, Im not a doctor but I am a registered nurse. I would say it could definitely still be a reason you're not 100%

Taken a lot of ex and smoked a lot of spice. I'm sure it did a number on my dopamine and serotonin levels. I didn't even think of it until now.

 

[The Express 42]

Hmm the spice is a huge wild card. That stuff can mess you up for sure. As far as libido I am not sure I would do some more research on abuse of those drugs and see if anyone else has a similar issue. Any drug use since?

 

[Jmw12393]

Hmm the spice is a huge wild card. That stuff can mess you up for sure. As far as libido I am not sure I would do some more research on abuse of those drugs and see if anyone else has a similar issue. Any drug use since?

Now it's just the occasional nug, nothing other than that. Been 5+ years from everything else

 

[justeat]

I just finished a month run of 3G Daa daily... And loved it. For $20 for a couple months, I'd go against the grain of this thread and say it's absolutely worth the shot.

I'll have my bloods back within the next couple days and will post the results up here. But for now, what I can say is I absolutely noticed
-a sense of well being daily, a definite
-marked increase in stamina and motivation in the gym (both of which reminded me of being on cycle)
-not much increase in the libido department, but an increase in ejaculate volume.

I added Arimistane halfway through at 50mg to combat puffy nips, due to my fears of past gyno flaring up.

It's also worth noting that I also took Zma during this time as a sleep aid, which I've also loved taking on and off for years.

Can't say DAA is the best thing out there, but I'm glad I tried it. Like any other supplement, they affect people differently. IMO it's cheap enough to try it and find out for yourself.