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d-zine with?

I didnt know dzine was that dry. thats a good thing because i am running it in november! also i hear SD and sometimes dzine bring peoples immune system down. have you taken anything to try and combat that?
 
well, one is methylated, the other is di methylated.

dimethazine is stronger in my opinion.

on paper epi seems to be the stronger one, but from what i've read with users, dzine seems to be more potent.
 
TmRich0808 said:
Which one would stack better with m14add? What kind of results would i see with each if i ran a solo?
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I don't know which would stack better, but epi and m14 is a popular stack. I'd say a good 10-12 lbs of lean muscle with epi and maybe 15+ lbs. with d-zine depending on cycle length and dose.
 
I know that taking multiple DHT based PH's is a bad idea for androgenic side effects like hair loss and acne, etc.---- But what about Alpha One and Stano-Drol? I have a couple bottles of Stano-Drol and want to stack it with Alpha One, but would that be a good idea??? I have heard that stano-drol is great for lethargy, but does A1 work better with something else? I am trying to make lean gains. I don't want to gain fat, but water weight/bloat is not a problem. So I don't want to have to buy more stuff is A1/Stano is a good combo. Anyone run this?
 
Kimber.45 said:
I know that taking multiple DHT based PH's is a bad idea for androgenic side effects like hair loss and acne, etc.---- But what about Alpha One and Stano-Drol? I have a couple bottles of Stano-Drol and want to stack it with Alpha One, but would that be a good idea??? I have heard that stano-drol is great for lethargy, but does A1 work better with something else? I am trying to make lean gains. I don't want to gain fat, but water weight/bloat is not a problem. So I don't want to have to buy more stuff is A1/Stano is a good combo. Anyone run this?
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I think alpha one would be best used solo or with a test base since it's so strong. you could run it w/ stano, and i dont think you'd see as many problems (hair loss, prostate) as people like to exaggerate.
 
bigwhiteguy29 said:
what is alpha 1 like? dry, wet? strength, size? what do you expect and whats a commom length and dose.
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3 weeks is the recommended cycle at 60mgs. As far as strength and size its probably the most effective PH available, however proper supporting supps and pct is essential
 
mw1 said:
3 weeks is the recommended cycle at 60mgs. As far as strength and size its probably the most effective PH available, however proper supporting supps and pct is essential
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yes, precisely. it's the strongest ph we have. keep it to a MAXIMUM of 4 weeks.
 
bigwhiteguy29 said:
if one was to run this should they run a low dose AI on cycle at all or in PCT or would a SERM be fine?
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I like to have an AI like formestane or inhibit-e on hand for just about every cycle, although i dont always use them. A SERM is a good thing to have in PCT.
 
some form of test base.

alpha one has been touted as a more friendly version of m1t.

users who run it responsibly report very little in the way of sides, and similar effects to low dosed m1t. of course, when you get in the higher dosage (80mg +), you get closer to higher dosages of m1t (like 20-30mg) and have more potential for sides similar to m1t.
 
bighaley21 said:
Thinking of running D-Zine 30/30/45/45/45 then PES Erase for PCT. This will be my 5th cycle with orals. Besides the usual cycle assists is there anything else I should use to help maximize my gains?
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You better use a SERM with a cycle like that. Also add DAA as a nice testbooster to your PCT, its cheap and effective.
 
PM me bighaley... don't waste your time with d-plex solo. do d-zine for 5 or 6 weeks depending on how you feel, and get some arimidex for on cycle estrogen control and tamoxifen and aromasin for PCT.
 
i dont know who told you no need for a serm with dplex, cause there is never a "need".

but it is recomended with any androgenic/anabolic compound used in supraphysiological dosages.

doesn't matter if it's 4-dhea, dplex, or pmag.
 
bighaley21 said:
Im liking what ive seen so far with andromass. Anybody with experience recommend dosing with D-zine?
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I mean if you wanna get huge do the same dose Dzine you normally would plus andromass

What I would do:

Andromass 0/6/6/6/6 or 6/6/6/6/0
dzine 30/30/30/45/45

dream cycle

andromass 6/6/6/6/6/6
dzine 0/30/30/45/45/45
 
JerseyDrew77 said:
Which would be a better cycle for lean muscle, strength and to get a little cut: d-zine with m-lmg or m-drol with epi?
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Im no CEL rep but I would think for what you are trying to do, m-drol solo seems like it would do the trick. A d-zine/m-lmg stack is a bulker. It sounds like you are going for a lean bulk/recomp. M-drol solo will give you fantastic results. Have good support supps and PCT (with a SERM) lined up.
 
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m drol, sd very strong stuff i agree its an amazing compound and it has stood the firm through the years. i might suggest a sd bridge to epi.
 
epi @ 40mg & lmg @ 75mg would be the best for lean muscle/strength.

if you wanted to stay dry and strong, dzine solo would probably be best, with epi solo a close second to that.
 
wat kind of net gains do u get from lmg?

ive never tried it because those "tren" dont like me except dienelone for some reason
 
What if you did d-zine stacked with epi? Has anybody done that stack?

Looking at all possible stacks with what I have (2 bottles of each: d-zine, m-lmg, m-drol and epistane).
 
imo sd>dzine just because sd just goes crazy within 3 weeks but if your looking to have a steady increase i think dzine would win in a longer run. i personally love the idea of bridging those to epi because quiet frankly nothing recomps Me like epi im not saying that as a rep im saying that as and AM member.

i will add this though trenavar and ment are a couple logs away from being released
 
Okay, these are some good choices. So is d-zine and m-drol considered a class 2 and epistane a class 1 of their steriod counterpart? And which are dry and wet gains?
 
i dont think their class has to due with how wet they are. i do believe these 3 are all class 2 and dienolone class 1 along with others
 
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