Craze, ECA, DMAA.

smoker145 said:
He was caught. The evidence was more than overwhelming. That's why he admitted it after countlessly denying use. And he was striped of his titles and now owes a large sum of money.
I'm not arguing there aren't ped users in sports.

Once again, show me a stat saying 90% uses
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He didn't fail a drug test. Everything was hearsay until he admitted it himself.
Unsubbed, this thread is redonkulous
 
jbryand101b said:
He didn't fail a drug test. Everything was hearsay until he admitted it himself.
Unsubbed, this thread is redonkulous
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Why would he admit it Bc of hearsay? That's a ridiculous statement. He held out as long as he could and then admitted it.
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Read this. It says he tested positive on 4 samples in 1999.
Ill keep going if you want.
 
jbryand101b said:
You didn't read that article did you? Lol.
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Yea, why wouldn't I? It says it wasn't evough to charge him at the time, but the tests don't lie. He tested positive, did he not? There was also confusion over that " valid" certificate.
 
smoker145 said:
Do me a favor. Don't post until you show testing backing your claim that 90% of athletes use ped.

Yes, actually use it. None of this genie granting wishes ****
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All of the record holders use. I can guarantee that. What your asking for is ludicrous.

If they don't get caught it never happened. Lol.

They take drugs to destroy the metabolites of steroids. Also take just enough test to pass as normal. Epo is pretty undetectable. Gh is pretty much undetected. Peds arent just amphetamines either. You're forgetting about designer stimulats which can be stronger and cheaper than meth yet not banned by the sport. Think logically please.
 
I don't think we will ever know the % of athletes using based on testing results because it does not take into account those that use and still pass the test. At the end of the day who really cares, I enjoy watching sports at a high level and what they put into their body is really none of my business. That being said I also do not live and die with professional sports like some people do and I do not feel like I was lied to/betrayed when someone tests positive. My reaction is usually, "So what, wonder what his/her cycle was like?"
 
pyrobatt said:
All of the record holders use. I can guarantee that. What your asking for is ludicrous.

If they don't get caught it never happened. Lol.

They take drugs to destroy the metabolites of steroids. Also take just enough test to pass as normal. Epo is pretty undetectable. Gh is pretty much undetected. Peds arent just amphetamines either. You're forgetting about designer stimulats which can be stronger and cheaper than meth yet not banned by the sport. Think logically please.
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Again, I'm not debating that there isn't ped use in sports. I am simply asking for him to back is claim that 90% of athletes use. You can't make a claim and not back it up. Your back up to your claim can't be " come on, think about it"
 
I'm sure when dr elsohly testifies in court about craze, all he will have to say is " data isn't important. Craze is dirty. Come on think about it"

And all will be believed and accepted
 
In 2005, samples taken from Lance Armstrong at the 1999 Tour de France were retested in a scientific research program of the anti-doping laboratory of Chatenay-Malabry, Paris.
 
smoker145 said:
Again, I'm not debating that there isn't ped use in sports. I am simply asking for him to back is claim that 90% of athletes use. You can't make a claim and not back it up. Your back up to your claim can't be " come on, think about it"
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So basically you are arguing just to disagree. Because you don't seem stupid an gullible.
 
jbryand101b said:
So basically you are arguing just to disagree. Because you don't seem stupid an gullible.
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No. I'm arguing with the figure you said. I agree with you that there is ped use, but not as high as 90%. I will believe that number if you can prove that figure. If not, don't use figures without data to support it. That's what I'm getting at here
 
jbryand101b said:
You didn't read that article did you? Lol.
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No, but your a dumb arse that projects your dumb arseness on 90 % of real athletes without anything but dumb arseness to back up it up speaks volumes. Your incessant desire to defame real athletes that actually have integrity and work their tails off daily to be competitive is more of a reflection on you than than reality.


mod edit: slow your roll and relax a bit.
 
996ttelise said:
No, but your a dumb arse that projects your dumb arseness on 90 % of real athletes without anything but dumb arseness to back up it up speaks volumes. Your incessant desire to defame real athletes that actually have integrity and work their tails off daily to be competitive is more of a reflection on you than than reality.
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8 hours of training on average per day for a ufc fighter. Recovery would be impossible without use of drugs. Thats just that.
 
pyrobatt said:
8 hours of training on average per day for a ufc fighter. Recovery would be impossible without use of drugs. Thats just that.
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No. You have no clue and we are not talking UFC, we are talking athletes in general in professional sports, most of which go the most rigorous drug texting that science permits. 90% is is figure from someone that is neither a real athlete or a person with integrity who does not feel the need to cheat.
 
996ttelise said:
No. You have no clue and we are not talking UFC, we are talking athletes in general in professional sports, most of which go the most rigorous drug texting that science permits. 90% is is figure from someone that is neither a real athlete or a person with integrity who does not feel the need to cheat.
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Please explain world class sprinters then.
 
pyrobatt said:
Please explain world class sprinters then.
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Lets assume all sprinters are ficked up on drugs then, that is about . 01 % percent of professional athletes . , . Perhaps less. Sorry, the sprinters are not all doing drugs . . . and you are just spectulatng so unless you have something intelligent and concrete, why not SU. Have you ever competed at anything professionally in your life?
 
996ttelise said:
Lets assume all sprinters are ficked up on drugs then, that is about . 01 % percent of professional athletes . , . Perhaps less. Sorry, the sprinters are not all doing drugs . . . and you are just spectulatng so unless you have something intelligent and concrete, why not SU. Have you ever competed at anything professionally in your life?
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Epo,gh,igf1. These are commen amongst football players,sprinters,cyclists,gymnastics,baseball players,hockey players,nfl players,college athletes. We get some on these forums and if you kept up on anti doping news you would know one of the main supplyers has been caught in 2012. 50 grand gets you his services or so said in the interview. His numbers on this was 95% if I remember correctly. Ill link it either tomorrow*depends how late I have to work* or later tonight

Have you ever competed in a world class athletic event?

EDIT:looking trough some of your post. Seems like you need to do more research before being opinionated in this subject. This has gone way off track. Unsubbing.
 
pyrobatt said:
Epo,gh,igf1. These are commen amongst football players,sprinters,cyclists,gymnastics,baseball players,hockey players,nfl players,college athletes. We get some on these forums and if you kept up on anti doping news you would know one of the main supplyers has been caught in 2012. 50 grand gets you his services or so said in the interview. His numbers on this was 95% if I remember correctly. Ill link it either tomorrow*depends how late I have to work* or later tonight

Have you ever competed in a world class athletic event?

EDIT:looking trough some of your post. Seems like you need to do more research before being opinionated in this subject. This has gone way off track. Unsubbing.
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95%. Stop smoking crack! Yes, I have competed professionally since 1983 in my sport and was on full ride in tennis at a Division 1 school ranked in top 10 in country throughout my years at college that was a different sport than what I competed in. . , also a raced Champ Atlantic open when, Mazda series Pro, and Grand Am GT3 Cup and GT2 since mid 90s, but that is a bit different.

Perhaps, tennis, surfing and auto racing is not real sports . . ., but what have you done and been close to?

What do I need to research, or is that just another bs comment?
 
Tennis isn't a sport. Your argument is invalid.
 
I don't think I would use any DS product now or trust the brand again (the Brand wont survive now surely) but I would still like to know how dangerous you guys think N,alpha-diethylphenylethylamine is.

From the info its stronger than Eph but weaker than Meth.
 
laneanders said:
as for Craze I didn't get the euphoric effects a lot of people claim to have had from it. Mainly I just got the tunnel vision aspect.
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That's a great description of how I felt on Craze. I was like a weight lifting automaton on the stuff. I've also never taken a supplement of any kind that's made me sweat so much during training.
 
DarthGainer said:
I don't think I would use any DS product now or trust the brand again (the Brand wont survive now surely) but I would still like to know how dangerous you guys think N,alpha-diethylphenylethylamine is.

From the info its stronger than Eph but weaker than Meth.
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weaker than both...
 
andrew From experience or the science side of things?

My experience =
DMAA - Great Energy (Neg = Awful crash, Stim dick, Jitters)
Eph - Great energy ( Neg = Awful crash, unsettled feeling, jitters)
Craze - Amazing focus, No crash, mood lift (Neg = Sleep turns to **** if taken late , Stim dick, addictive IMO)

Craze wins for me and I am sad its going but at the same time I could never support the company again.
 
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