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Coop's Corner #6: Novel Stimulant/Fat Loss Agent Uncovered

Auslifter said:
you should make exclusive products, that are secret and can only be bought through the insider or something more in depth were ex customer can register into like a memeber's zone on the PES Site, with personal details to know there not affiliated with supplement company's and make limited batches of X product to be sold to the member's in like a special members only store, maybe even have PES reward points. this would allow you to get feedback and still make profit, having it as a "fun" thing to give PES fans and option to run and test out anything innovative but expensive to make or get feedback on stuff that you want to put into future products or sell to the mainstream.

it would cater for the hardcore audience. (I.e, everyone on here lol)
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Not sure if srs

Turn PES into a cult? Not offer anything to people too lazy to sign up? Screening?

All because you want an open label?


All can be solved with a prop blend.

Good luck with your bankruptsy and lawsuit goals of 2014 lol
 
Jiigzz said:
Not sure if srs

Turn PES into a cult? Not offer anything to people too lazy to sign up? Screening?

All because you want an open label?


All can be solved with a prop blend.

Good luck with your bankruptsy and lawsuit goals of 2014 lol
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Lmao i only had the idea because, of the insider + cistamax (cistanche) being a limited run supplement.

i have no issues with prop blends, and you have misunderstood the point of my idea lol. no i don't say cut out prop blends all together, and since when did i say cult? i said members of the offical website.. but non prop blends could possibly be offered that way. only an idea mate. and not offer anything to people to lazy to sign up? did i not say "still sell the enitre line to mainstream"
 
Will it come to market if it is liver toxic? I found this and it did not look good.

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I'll save my money and buy another pair of running shoes for HIIT sprints
 
Auslifter said:
Lmao i only had the idea because, of the insider + cistamax (cistanche) being a limited run supplement.

i have no issues with prop blends, and you have misunderstood the point of my idea lol. no i don't say cut out prop blends all together, and since when did i say cult? i said members of the offical website.. but non prop blends could possibly be offered that way. only an idea mate. and not offer anything to people to lazy to sign up? did i not say "still sell the enitre line to mainstream"
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The screening aspect made my cult senses tingle lol.
 
GHopkins said:
Will it come to market if it is liver toxic? I found this and it did not look good.

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I'll save my money and buy another pair of running shoes for HIIT sprints
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That is the exact reason we did not use an extract from Boldo (common name for a plant). It contains ascaridole, which is the toxic portion. We extract our Boldine from Lindera Aggregata. Anything related to the Boldus plant does not apply
 
nattydisaster said:
This is currently in Norcodrene INTL, which recently landed in Europe. It will be making its way into Australia as well in the near future.

Finally, an answer for INTL folks looking for an a2-antagonist
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plz include new zealand in the distribution

and quickly

i want this on my doorstep in 4 hours time when i get home kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkthankxbye :)
 
nattydisaster said:
That is the exact reason we did not use an extract from Boldo (common name for a plant). It contains ascaridole, which is the toxic portion. We extract our Boldine from Lindera Aggregata. Anything related to the Boldus plant does not apply
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Fantastic! Thank for the clarification.
 
nattydisaster said:
We spent months researching and testing with boldine...so that is not something we can just announce. Protect the innovators



Well as the writeup states, Boldine is not anxiolytic and heart-racing like Yohimbine. I would compare it more to a low dose of Rauwolscine. It's purpose is fat loss and thermogensis, and its the first non-yohimbine compound to have good potency (although the structure is somewhat similar to Yohimbine)



This would not surprise me. It does not every anger me though...it is just a constant reminder of how we can continue to shape this industry for the consumers. And that is our goal
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is boldine weaker than rauwolscine then? pros/cons?
 
Coop you should write a book regarding little known supps, stacks, and supplement interactions for stuff like this. I'd buy
 
Swolbraham said:
Coop you should write a book regarding little known supps, stacks, and supplement interactions for stuff like this. I'd buy
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Agreed. Love reading these little tid bits and then exploring on my own after
 
Great write-up Coop. Fantastic and informative as always. I hope this makes a debut in the States sooner vs. later.
 
bdcc said:
Originally everything we did was open label. Alpha-T2, AnaBeta, Erase, Shift.

Then our ingredients were becoming more and more copied and even the doses being replicated i.e. anacyclus dosing which we determined through an extensive beta trial.

Personally, in an ideal world I wish everything was open label but I know how many issues we have with companies copying us. If I owned PES I would continue to use proprietary blends. It is a necessary evil.
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It's unfortunate, but that's just how the game works these days. Companies don't bother doing the research themselves, they just look at other labels and copy the work of other people. Saves them money and time.
 
T-Bone said:
That guy definitely works hard. I wonder how he ever has time to sleep, much less work out!.
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I hear he doesn't even need sleep cuz he's found an extract that gives you awake sleep.
 
booneman77 said:
I hear he doesn't even need sleep cuz he's found an extract that gives you awake sleep.
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Im actually of the mindset that coop is a web-bot programmed by wikipedia
 
Sorry, on phone, but you mentioned somewhere the effects this compound elicited on the murine model... So are all of the current pieces of literature done on rodents or some other type of animal?
 
nattydisaster said:
That would be awesome. Poor cooper would need 36 hours in a day to make that happen lol. Poor guy has been working his @ss off
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Labor day weekend woo!

aaronuconn said:
Sorry, on phone, but you mentioned somewhere the effects this compound elicited on the murine model... So are all of the current pieces of literature done on rodents or some other type of animal?
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The data is in rodents, but we obviously did extensive testing prior to release. We've had this compound in our laps for a year now, but measuring its effects and seeing how it interacts with other ingredients in formulas took a bit of time
 
nice read once again
 
So PES reps, is the only difference between the US and international version the replacement of SA2 with this ingredient? I've looked at the ingredient profile on a UK site and there seems to be more differences than the one ingredient. My Alphamine finishes next week and will be looking for another fat burner.

Thanks.
 
saggy321 said:
So PES reps, is the only difference between the US and international version the replacement of SA2 with this ingredient? I've looked at the ingredient profile on a UK site and there seems to be more differences than the one ingredient. My Alphamine finishes next week and will be looking for another fat burner.

Thanks.
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We are in the process of finishing a complete write up on the EU version. It should be on the retailer website soon. :)
 
saggy321 said:
So PES reps, is the only difference between the US and international version the replacement of SA2 with this ingredient? I've looked at the ingredient profile on a UK site and there seems to be more differences than the one ingredient. My Alphamine finishes next week and will be looking for another fat burner.

Thanks.
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There is indeed a few other changes.

The formula also includes N-Coumaroyldopamine, a beta-agonist, as well as 7-Geranyloxycoumarin, a PPAR agonist that enhances beta-oxidation as well
 
saggy321 said:
So PES reps, is the only difference between the US and international version the replacement of SA2 with this ingredient? I've looked at the ingredient profile on a UK site and there seems to be more differences than the one ingredient. My Alphamine finishes next week and will be looking for another fat burner.

Thanks.
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Why?. Are you still fat?
 
saggy321 said:
Lol! Nope... But I have about a third of a bottle of TTA left and a bottle of F95 and I'm thinking let's see how lean I can get.
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You could always save that for another time. Get more TTA from the Nutraplanet labor day sale!. I don't think Alphamine is on sale at nutraplanet right now but I bet you could find it on sale somewhere for Labor day. Norcodrene is pretty awesome as far as far burners go to.
 
Synapsin said:
I would opt for the US version if I had to choose one, although the EU version is an excellent alternative for individuals who don't like Y.
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I'd it just because the US version has SA2 which is stronger alpha 2 antagonist than the new ingredient in EU version or are there other reasons? Will the EU version still improve mood like the US version?
 
saggy321 said:
I'd it just because the US version has SA2 which is stronger alpha 2 antagonist than the new ingredient in EU version or are there other reasons? Will the EU version still improve mood like the US version?
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The EU version SA2-A2 is still a very strong A2 antagonist. And yeah, it will still contain the amentoflavone for the happiness :).
 
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