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COOP-thoughts on TMG?

kissdadookie said:
I use it on HIIT days only. The idea
is that since HIIT is what I do for some fat burning goodness, might as well maximize it.
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but you are not maximizing your "fat burning goodness" by doing this
and, you cannot just switch up what "fuel" your body prefers, on a daily basis at a whim...a bit more complicated and longer process than that
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
but you are not maximizing your "fat burning goodness" by doing this
and, you cannot just switch up what "fuel" your body prefers, on a daily basis at a whim...a bit more complicated and longer process than that
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Bray and Young's research would actually say it is. Nutrient timing seems to dictate nutrient uptake efficiency for the rest of the day. They first demonstrated this concept in mice. There was later a study done on humans (may be more than one study, not sure). The evidence would suggest that what you consume as your first meal will adjust your body to be more efficient at using either fat or carbs for fuel for the rest of the day. So it would appear that you can program your body on a day to day basis.
 
kissdadookie said:
Bray and Young's research would actually say it is. Nutrient timing seems to dictate nutrient uptake efficiency for the rest of the day.
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to an extent, yes
but: what is the point of HIIT, in a semi-fed state? are you trying to boost your energy level/performance then, at the expense of the "fat-burning goodness" you state is the goal? seems contradictory, don't ya think?
The evidence would suggest that what you consume as your first meal will adjust your body to be more efficient at using either fat or carbs for fuel for the rest of the day. So it would appear that you can program your body on a day to day basis.
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key words there being "would suggest"...don't misinterpret this as "universally emphatically proves"
that said: yes I am a fan of occasional shifts in the macro/micro loads, to reach an end goal (and always with the intent of body composition purposes)
it all boils down to what you are trying to accomplish, but it seems to me you are getting caught up in minutiae at the potential expense of your own progress and goals

why not just run fasted HIIT rising, then follow with whatever nutritional profile you wish to embrace that day then?
this, would be fat-burning goodness, assuming everything else is done properly and optimally...
 
kissdadookie said:
I don't think you guys understood why I do that. From what I understand, what you have for your first meal of the day sets your body up to preference either fats of carbs as an energy source for the rest of the day. I'm not doing it to diet down and burn calories.
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This is quite incorrect lol. If only the human body were so simple...we'd have diabetes and obesity all figured out if this were the case.
 
kissdadookie said:
Bray and Young's research would actually say it is. Nutrient timing seems to dictate nutrient uptake efficiency for the rest of the day. They first demonstrated this concept in mice. There was later a study done on humans (may be more than one study, not sure). The evidence would suggest that what you consume as your first meal will adjust your body to be more efficient at using either fat or carbs for fuel for the rest of the day. So it would appear that you can program your body on a day to day basis.
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Oh man, I don't want to have to break down this study but you really should dig a little deeper my friend. Alan aragon has a nice critique of it. Be analytical, don't follow the crowd
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
to an extent, yes
but: what is the point of HIIT, in a semi-fed state? are you trying to boost your energy level/performance then, at the expense of the "fat-burning goodness" you state is the goal? seems contradictory, don't ya think?
key words there being "would suggest"...don't misinterpret this as "universally emphatically proves"
that said: yes I am a fan of occasional shifts in the macro/micro loads, to reach an end goal (and always with the intent of body composition purposes)
it all boils down to what you are trying to accomplish, but it seems to me you are getting caught up in minutiae at the potential expense of your own progress and goals

why not just run fasted HIIT rising, then follow with whatever nutritional profile you wish to embrace that day then?
this, would be fat-burning goodness, assuming everything else is done properly and optimally...
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I do HIIT as conditioning work. I like to keep cardio in my schedule and HIIT seems to be an ideal form of it. I would do the fats for breakfast thing every morning but on lifting days, when I tried the fat for breakfast, I perform better with my usual carbs pre and intra (I train first thing in the morning).

The evidence I am speaking of are actually university studies. There's also one from Isreal done on type 2 diabetics and they found the fats and protein for breakfast lowering blood sugar levels throughout the day as well as inflammation.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Oh man, I don't want to have to break down this study but you really should dig a little deeper my friend. Alan aragon has a nice critique of it. Be analytical, don't follow the crowd
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studies, ftw :D
okay i'll stop..

kissdadookie said:
I do HIIT as conditioning work. I like to keep cardio in my schedule and HIIT seems to be an ideal form of it. I would do the fats for breakfast thing every morning but on lifting days, when I tried the fat for breakfast, I perform better with my usual carbs pre and intra (I train first thing in the morning).
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I take no issue with this
my whole point is: don't think consuming fat (mcts, or whatever) prior to your HIIT is anything remotely close to "maximizing fat-burning goodness"..
 
Studies are the gold-standard for demonstrating evidence of a phenomenon. The issue, rather, is competing interests with authors/researchers + the rampant study misterpretation/glorification/alarmism produced by the media and the masses
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Couldn't agree more. The whole point of HIIT and cardio is to burn calories. Taking 200 cals of fat and PB2 prior to cardio just means that you have to burn 200 more calories on the treadmill? 1 step forward, 2 steps back
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What if you just shift your 200 cals from a later meal. So you're consuming the same number of kcals but eating some before your morning workout to fuel it so u can train harder with less stress on the body. Thoughts?
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
studies, ftw :Dokay i'll stop..I take no issue with thismy whole point is: don't think consuming fat (mcts, or whatever) prior to your HIIT is anything remotely close to "maximizing fat-burning goodness"..
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Agreed wholeheartedly ;)Like I said, it's more of a "if it does something, might as well do it just in case" mentality, and I did note that I have not done it strictly for a consistent amount of time to really be able to say it does anything significant or not.
 
saggy321 said:
What if you just shift your 200 cals from a later meal. So you're consuming the same number of kcals but eating some before your morning workout to fuel it so u can train harder with less stress on the body. Thoughts?
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A small amount of fat pre workout will have no bearing on training intensity really
 
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