api27
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This is going to be a long thread. Apologize in advance. First off and foremost- I am openly admitting that I am BRAND NEW to prohormones, I have never done a cycle before and am looking for as much information as possible. I have googled and researched for hours, but information is vast and often times conflicting. Instead of reading for 5 hours again and going in circles I figured I'd just create my own post. PLEASE don't jump on me, as I am admitting I don't know much, and want to know as much as possible before potentially f****** up my system. Ok, we got that out of the way.
I am almost 26, have been lifting for 8 years. Currently 200 lbs., 6 foot tall. Want to hit 220. I lift 5 days a week. I keep a decent diet, admittedly don't eat enough though (somedays 4000 calories if I can and somedays 2000)- I am an extremely busy working professional and it just depends on what food I can fit in. I have friends at Complete Nutrition, love their regular supplements. All supps. I am currently taking: Optimum Nutrition Whey, Optimum Nutrition Casein, Optimum Nutrition Opti-Men (Multi), CN Titan Protein (Recovery) + CN Morph (Carbs), CN CX5 Creatine, CN NX6 (N.O.), AST Sports BCAA, Max Muscle Full Blown Extreme (Pre-Workout), CN (Legal Limit Labs) 3-Test-Oxo Natural Test Boost (Don't know if this is necessary).
Being that I have friends at CN, they of course hooked me up with 5 Deca-Zol AND Epi-Cynodrone. What a joke. I have not opened either bottle. Started doing research as I knew these were pretty serious, but never thought I'd find out what I did. Of course you all know that 5-Deca is Superdol and Halodrol, Superdrol being the harshest OTC PH available. Reading from other sites it says to NEVER stack 2 methyls. But this isn't to mention that they told me to start the Epi-Cynodrone (another 2 methyl stack, Epistane and Cynostane) 2 weeks in. Why don't I just order a new liver. Pretty positive that no combination of Liver Assist or optimizer would be enough to support this, am I correct? Then, they tell me to take 3-Test Oxo during cycle and use 6-estro for PCT. Read online that ALL OTC PCT's are absolute s***. After reading online I'm thinking the advice they gave me was for a trip to the ER.
You have to learn to crawl before you can walk, and walk before you can run, and run before you can sprint, so why the hell would they sell me Superdrol the harshest PH available that's also COMBINED with Halodrol, and then all the other stuff. One guy on another forum wrote that would be a harsh cycle for someone who's extremely experienced. The best part is 5-Deca Epi-Cynodrone and 3-Test Oxo are all sold together in a kit from Legal Limit Labs. You've probly seen it on their shelf. I know CN employees don't know what the f*** they're talking about when it comes to PH's.
I will not be going anywhere near this cycle. I AM, however, still interested in doing a medium, introductory cycle of something that has a little less risk associated with it. Primarily concerned about cholesterol, liver, and gyno. I know these are usual risks, but after reading about all the different PH's out there, it seems that many have less of these risks. I read somewhere that for beginners Halodrol was good by itself, or Epi was good by itself. This is where I am completely lost and have no idea where to turn. If there is a good beginner cycle, I need to know the BEST possible PCT, and all instructions of when and how to use it. I think this covers everything, again please forgive me for being a NOOB but at least I'm doing my due diligence instead of jumping in the deep end without knowing how to swim.
Thanks in advance for ANY advice you guys can offer me.
P.S. I need to add this- I stated above that I had never done a cycle of anything. Not sure if this counts but when I was a complete idiot MORON at age 18 I took 1 full bottle of Androstenedione. Absolutley retarted, I know... We all make mistakes, this was mine, I was extremely stupid back then. Hopefully this didn't mess anything up. Just wanted you to know in case it could affect me now.
I am almost 26, have been lifting for 8 years. Currently 200 lbs., 6 foot tall. Want to hit 220. I lift 5 days a week. I keep a decent diet, admittedly don't eat enough though (somedays 4000 calories if I can and somedays 2000)- I am an extremely busy working professional and it just depends on what food I can fit in. I have friends at Complete Nutrition, love their regular supplements. All supps. I am currently taking: Optimum Nutrition Whey, Optimum Nutrition Casein, Optimum Nutrition Opti-Men (Multi), CN Titan Protein (Recovery) + CN Morph (Carbs), CN CX5 Creatine, CN NX6 (N.O.), AST Sports BCAA, Max Muscle Full Blown Extreme (Pre-Workout), CN (Legal Limit Labs) 3-Test-Oxo Natural Test Boost (Don't know if this is necessary).
Being that I have friends at CN, they of course hooked me up with 5 Deca-Zol AND Epi-Cynodrone. What a joke. I have not opened either bottle. Started doing research as I knew these were pretty serious, but never thought I'd find out what I did. Of course you all know that 5-Deca is Superdol and Halodrol, Superdrol being the harshest OTC PH available. Reading from other sites it says to NEVER stack 2 methyls. But this isn't to mention that they told me to start the Epi-Cynodrone (another 2 methyl stack, Epistane and Cynostane) 2 weeks in. Why don't I just order a new liver. Pretty positive that no combination of Liver Assist or optimizer would be enough to support this, am I correct? Then, they tell me to take 3-Test Oxo during cycle and use 6-estro for PCT. Read online that ALL OTC PCT's are absolute s***. After reading online I'm thinking the advice they gave me was for a trip to the ER.
You have to learn to crawl before you can walk, and walk before you can run, and run before you can sprint, so why the hell would they sell me Superdrol the harshest PH available that's also COMBINED with Halodrol, and then all the other stuff. One guy on another forum wrote that would be a harsh cycle for someone who's extremely experienced. The best part is 5-Deca Epi-Cynodrone and 3-Test Oxo are all sold together in a kit from Legal Limit Labs. You've probly seen it on their shelf. I know CN employees don't know what the f*** they're talking about when it comes to PH's.
I will not be going anywhere near this cycle. I AM, however, still interested in doing a medium, introductory cycle of something that has a little less risk associated with it. Primarily concerned about cholesterol, liver, and gyno. I know these are usual risks, but after reading about all the different PH's out there, it seems that many have less of these risks. I read somewhere that for beginners Halodrol was good by itself, or Epi was good by itself. This is where I am completely lost and have no idea where to turn. If there is a good beginner cycle, I need to know the BEST possible PCT, and all instructions of when and how to use it. I think this covers everything, again please forgive me for being a NOOB but at least I'm doing my due diligence instead of jumping in the deep end without knowing how to swim.
Thanks in advance for ANY advice you guys can offer me.
P.S. I need to add this- I stated above that I had never done a cycle of anything. Not sure if this counts but when I was a complete idiot MORON at age 18 I took 1 full bottle of Androstenedione. Absolutley retarted, I know... We all make mistakes, this was mine, I was extremely stupid back then. Hopefully this didn't mess anything up. Just wanted you to know in case it could affect me now.