Comabting Gyno with Epi and no PCT?

bobby8405

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I have read through all the posts on epi the past few days, and haven't been able to find someone in my situation. I have a mild case of gyno (not horrible, but you can tell I have ***** tits through a shirt) which I need to get rid of. I am pretty sure it stems from taking lots of andro irresponsibly a few years ago in hs. Anyway I wanted to use epi either on a pulse eod or low dosage(20mg) ed. I don't have the means of aquiring nolva or anything not otc. So I geuss my question is what is my best option pulsing or taking a low dose ed, and is there anything I can get otc for post cycle therapy that would help. Reading through posts I really am worried about it coming back if I don't have something for post cycle therapy.
 
I'd try an AI first because Epi will shut you down and you'll have to do a post cycle therapy regardless. You need something on hand at all times to aid you with the possibility of gyno. Something like ATD or even Formestane could help you out
 
Safest bet is a serm, + x-lean or retain, I wouldn't take any AAS w/o Nolva just in case. You can PM me about it if you want.
 
Cellardude said:
x-lean for the combat of cortisol. use it with your post cycle therapy i believe.
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You are correct. X-lean=anti-cortisol, ant-corisol=anti-catabolic, anti-catabolic=more lean mass gains.
You can actually use it post cycle therapy or during cycles for an extra boost.
 
bobby8405 said:
I have read through all the posts on epi the past few days, and haven't been able to find someone in my situation. I have a mild case of gyno (not horrible, but you can tell I have ***** tits through a shirt) which I need to get rid of. I am pretty sure it stems from taking lots of andro irresponsibly a few years ago in hs. Anyway I wanted to use epi either on a pulse eod or low dosage(20mg) ed. I don't have the means of aquiring nolva or anything not otc. So I geuss my question is what is my best option pulsing or taking a low dose ed, and is there anything I can get otc for post cycle therapy that would help. Reading through posts I really am worried about it coming back if I don't have something for post cycle therapy.
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i honestly think you should just do some more innovative research and find a site with a SERM, i prefer toremifene, and then run a straight 4-5 week cycle.

Dr D stated your best bet at putting a dent in gyno is doseing as close to every 6-8 hours as possible wich means at least 30mg but more like 40-50 mg ED. a great side is youll get to see what epi can really do for ya gains wise BUT you wont see the same effect on gyno with a pulse.

the idea with a pulse is to get the compound in for your workout and out again as quickly as possible. when facing gyno youll want that epi there constantly blocking the est receptors and then continue starving them with a SERM through your PCT. both mmorwy and i did this with great success. check my log below and look at the first page youll find plenty of gyno shots of me there... then go to page 14 and check the end results. its worth it.
 
I'm pulsing epi and mass tabs currently. I felt like I was having too much estrogen rebound on off days so I decided to add some low dose topical formestane 5 days ago. Man, I tell you what-I'm amazed with how quick it works. My chest looks WAY better than it did 5 days ago. That extra water that causes a soft puffy look is gone. I'm quite happy about that! Perhaps its combining with the SERM effect of epi to enhance results?
 
vcon13 said:
You are correct. X-lean=anti-cortisol, ant-corisol=anti-catabolic, anti-catabolic=more lean mass gains.
You can actually use it post cycle therapy or during cycles for an extra boost.
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Cellardude said:
x-lean for the combat of cortisol. use it with your post cycle therapy i believe.
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Yes i am aware of that its just the way he said to use a SERM and xlean or retain for gyno reduction boggles my mind...He isnt doing a PCT but asking about using epi for gyno reduction. What does that have to do with xlean??? wtf.
 
Using Epi to combat gyno or any of the other versions is just another thing that has got out of control with people not actually paying attention. Some have noticed reduced gyno but some have not. Neither have been scientific in their accounts. To have an existing case of gyno and taking epi on the chance it could reduce it is fine but to not have anything to control any worsening of the gyno is just unsafe.
 
I totally agree Jay. Seems to me that Epi was just marketed as a gyno reducing anabolic. The fact that it is an altered serm doesnt mean that it will actually act as one, at least there is no real studies on this. Im thinking that the people that got a reduction probably never even had gyno to begin with. Im just partial cuz it didnt do nothing for me, more like a mild steroid with a marketing approach that got alot of headturns. If you have gyno it could help and you could give it a shot but to depend on it is just not to smart. There should always be an escape route incase of fire...
 
pistonpump said:
Yes i am aware of that its just the way he said to use a SERM and xlean or retain for gyno reduction boggles my mind...He isnt doing a post cycle therapy but asking about using epi for gyno reduction. What does that have to do with xlean??? wtf.
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I just offered what I used for epi pct. I wouldn't suggest going w/o a serm, it shut me down fairly hard. And x-lean was designed as a cortisol blocking agent to use in conjunction with a serm after an epi cycle. His question was "what can I get otc for pct". Are you reading the same post that I am, or just trying to make me look like I dont have a f'ing clue as to what I'm talking about. :rasp:
 
pistonpump said:
I totally agree Jay. Seems to me that Epi was just marketed as a gyno reducing anabolic. The fact that it is an altered serm doesnt mean that it will actually act as one, at least there is no real studies on this. Im thinking that the people that got a reduction probably never even had gyno to begin with. Im just partial cuz it didnt do nothing for me, more like a mild steroid with a marketing approach that got alot of headturns. If you have gyno it could help and you could give it a shot but to depend on it is just not to smart. There should always be an escape route incase of fire...
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well i know for a fact PP that mine is genuine gyno. its not just puffiness, there was (and still is to a lesser degree) a considerable lump and it was very tender to the touch, the slightest bump would hurt it. Epi's est blocking effects made it so that i no longer have pain whatsoever and significantly reduced the size of the lump... now i still have a much smaller lump and my nips still look VERY puffy from time to time but its a world of difference..... yet i still do agree it doesnt work for everyone and having a serious SERM on hand is still your best bet... although i have yet to hear of anyone having a worsening case of gyno while on epi.... JMHO
 
so if someone is going to do an epi cycle in hopes of reducing gyno, would it be advisable to use ralox as your serm or would it be best to stick with torm?
 
firefighter2032 said:
I just read that ralox was good for getting rid of gyno...

it was just a thought...


thought of using it for post cycle therapy
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There is a helpful thread in the PCT section about a guy using Ralox for about 8-10 weeks not on cycle, purely just to get rid of his gyno and it worked. damn i cant think of who it was but if you search through you should find it easily enough.
 
Australian made said:
There is a helpful thread in the post cycle therapy section about a guy using Ralox for about 8-10 weeks not on cycle, purely just to get rid of his gyno and it worked. damn i cant think of who it was but if you search through you should find it easily enough.
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well like i said, it takes longer but is supposedly very good at clearing old gyno.
 
Australian made said:
There is a helpful thread in the post cycle therapy section about a guy using Ralox for about 8-10 weeks not on cycle, purely just to get rid of his gyno and it worked. damn i cant think of who it was but if you search through you should find it easily enough.
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I believe it was Renagade Rows (RR) who posted atleast thats the one I read, he had the thread of "what worked for me" and it was ralox along with a lite dose of ATD
 
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yep...I saw the thread...it's what made me think to use Ralox, but I didn't know that it took that much longer.

Think I might try a cycle of Epi with Torm as my SERM and see what that does and if not then I'll try the 10 week Ralox / ATD
 
firefighter2032 said:
yep...I saw the thread...it's what made me think to use Ralox, but I didn't know that it took that much longer.

Think I might try a cycle of Epi with Torm as my SERM and see what that does and if not then I'll try the 10 week Ralox / ATD
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I hear ya bro I am in the same boat, I have a lump I want to work on reducing but I also am recovering from the achilles tendon surgery...so I am in a rock and a hard place...I want to run my orotropin/pght/cissus...and may run low dose epi with it to see how that works....then the other part of me wants to run the ralox/atd...not sure how the ralox/atd would interact with the orotropin/pght...thoughts on the better plan of attack?
 
I just finished my second week of Epi. I Pulsed the first 2weeks (Mon, Tue, Thur Fri), tapering up to 40mg on pulse. Making great gains in strength and muscle hardness, but with little decrease in gyno. (I have genuine gyno that hit me about 10years back.) The sensitivity is completely gone and only a slight decrease.

I will end this cycle with dosing ED @ 40mg for the next 2 weeks (4 week total) in hopes to reduce gyno. I will then follow this up with Ralox (60mg ED) included in my PCT for five weeks tapering to 30mg ED on the 5th week. It is documented that 3 weeks is when many of the benefits of Ralox were noted (ie cholestorol, bone density, breast tissue).

I will keep everyone informed.
 
GotTest said:
I just finished my second week of Epi. I Pulsed the first 2weeks (Mon, Tue, Thur Fri), tapering up to 40mg on pulse. Making great gains in strength and muscle hardness, but with little decrease in gyno. (I have genuine gyno that hit me about 10years back.) The sensitivity is completely gone and only a slight decrease.

I will end this cycle with dosing ED @ 40mg for the next 2 weeks (4 week total) in hopes to reduce gyno. I will then follow this up with Ralox (60mg ED) included in my post cycle therapy for five weeks tapering to 30mg ED on the 5th week. It is documented that 3 weeks is when many of the benefits of Ralox were noted (ie cholestorol, bone density, breast tissue).

I will keep everyone informed.
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LMAO GotTest bro i love your Avi over here... Jack Black is tha man.
 
pistonpump said:
Yes i am aware of that its just the way he said to use a SERM and xlean or retain for gyno reduction boggles my mind...He isnt doing a post cycle therapy but asking about using epi for gyno reduction. What does that have to do with xlean??? wtf.
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WTF? A lot of people are getting good results with Epi in conjunction with X-lean, and LilPsychotic was simply giving his opinion on x-lean/epi with gyno and/or post cycle therapy.
 
Jayhawkk said:
Some have noticed reduced gyno but some have not. Neither have been scientific in their accounts. To have an existing case of gyno and taking epi on the chance it could reduce it is fine but to not have anything to control any worsening of the gyno is just unsafe.
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This is true, but the same could be said for any bb supp/gear. I know the first time I started bodybuilding, I didn't care what the scientific studies alone. I just cared what Arnold, Dorian Yates looked like and what Dan Duchaine and Bill Phillips said, from their personal experiences. If we relied on scientific studies alone for bodybuilding we would still be in the dark ages. Especially in the US. BB'ers personal experiences are the best studies we have. Don't get me wrong, I am a firm believer in science and it plays a major role, but a scientific study or a lack there of is not always a determining factor on substances efficacy. As for Epi working, there is an overwhelming amount of positive feedback/evidence from users to support further experimentation.
 
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