CNS recovery as the limiting factor/weak link?

dsohei

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so i am 3 months into training as an older man with a lot of knowledge, but limited by genetic auto-immunity. what i've found is that during my bodyweight/gymnastics-oriented training sessions (currently 90 minutes 3x a week) i am rarely able to get to muscular or cardiovascular fatigue because my nervous system fails first. let's be more specific in that its a combination of joints, tendons, ligaments and nervous system failure.

currently i am bombarding my system with every joint supplement i can find: 5-loxin, paractin, cissus, cordygen5, sorenzyme, avoca asu, athletes joint restore/eggshell membrane/collagen, hylaraunic acid, true slow cooker bone broth gelatin... the list goes on

plus im taking choline, dmae, nalt, chocamine, racetams, carnitines, etc to ramp up my cns so that i can actually have some measure of control and sustainability during these workouts

the day after training i am BENT and am very sore and depressed, i mean i know my cns is just beat dead. i am doing everything i think of, but there's really no way i am ever going to get good if i am training this little, and with recovery and cns fatigue limiting me so much.

any ideas?
 
How old are you? First thing I would look at is diet. You're taking a ton of supps so I doubt anything else will do much good (short of AAS). How many calories are you eating? How much protein and carbohydrate?

Also, how much sleep are you getting?
 
From experience any day after I do heavy lift like deads or squats I make it a mission to get up and go for a nice 1-2 mile walk just to help get dopamine receptors up....you might be a candidate for high cortisol levels after the gym so something like endoamp or any PS will help...the other trick and it works is get some good ole L-tyrosine and some DL-phenyalanine. Until you do a full hormone panel it's hard to tell but it sounds like your just beating the **** out of yourself.

My friend Jim Laird covers what you are talking about very well.

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This doesn't sound like CNS fatigue, especially given your training. You may want to talk to a physician about your T levels and such
 
jerrysiii said:
How old are you? First thing I would look at is diet. You're taking a ton of supps so I doubt anything else will do much good (short of AAS). How many calories are you eating? How much protein and carbohydrate?

Also, how much sleep are you getting?
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i'm almost 33, my diet is really my number one expertise - ive been tweaking it for 5 years to put the a.i,. symptoms in remission as much as possible. i basically eat a modified auto-immune paleo diet - heavily modified from the norm of "paleo". since i cannot digest many starches, and tnhe starches i can digest i can only do so in small amounts, i get most of my carbs from very ripe non-fodmap fruits (of which many do not exist for purchase) or simple refined sugars. protein is all grass fed red meat and organs as well as bone stocks, some cheese, some shellfish and fish. i eat raw kraut, but not many other veggies, raw or cooked, as these tend to be like playing russian roulette.

i average about 150-200g of protein a day, maybe 200-500g carbs it depends on how i feel. i eat for fuel and to answer the signals my body is giving me. i basically imagine eating certain foods and my body tells me yes or no. for instance when i get really fatigued and depressed, my body wants a bolus of healthy fats with a bit of sugars and a bit or protein. some times it wants heavy protein, low everything else. sometimes it just wants salted water.

my sleep is sometimes erratic, even with my heavy daily meditation practice. i also work in a nightclub 2-4x a week and that throws off the rhythm. lately i have been forcing myself to go back to sleep after i wake up in the morning because recently when i didn't, i would feel sleep deprived later on.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
This doesn't sound like CNS fatigue, especially given your training. You may want to talk to a physician about your T levels and such
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i have spoken with a few docs and done tests over the years, and also treatments such as injectable hcg (made me uncomfortably horny, which was both nice and not nice) and many supplements to increase Luteinizing Hormone/dopamine, free up test by reducing shbg, upping test with daa, etc.
sadly, most docs are willing to take all my money and give very vague answers and even less results. frankly i dont have the money left to play that game with them. if i did, i would.

the fact is that i probably have crohn's disease (of which there are 5 types), but cannot afford the biopsy. because my symptoms and some lab tests are so similar to other a.i. and chronic diseases, it's too easy to fall down a rabbit hole. most ppl with crohn's have some secondary disease as well, such as rheumatoid arthritis. i probably got IBD because of severe childhood stresses and traumas, and then continually eating the wrong foods out of ignorance.

if i do have low T, it's likely due to all the cellular inflammation from this IBS/IBD problem and all the downstream effects. i have thought about trying out AAS in the future, once i've exhausted other avenues.

as far as where to go from here? i do supplement currently with division 1 for the shbg, and things like cissus, daa, alcar, and super saponins/trib - i can definitely notice the saponic effects increasing my test, in ways that just increasing dopamine does not (i have take 1-carboxy, mucuna, nalt, tyrosine and others to just raise dopamine and i do respond favorably to pro-dopamine/anti-serotonin strategies)

je ne sais quois? i am in the best place ive been since the bottom fell out 6 years ago, so i cant complain, but i would like to keep improving, and this forum has helped immensely since ppl are willing to go further out there than the paleo or straight nutrition camps. i do wish there was more of an herbal bent though, as i've had good results with some extract chinese tonic herbs that aren't marketed towards the workout crowd.
 
Just generally speaking, inflammatory conditions can cause a whole host of symptoms, most prominently the fatigue you mentioned.
 
ryanp81 said:
From experience any day after I do heavy lift like deads or squats I make it a mission to get up and go for a nice 1-2 mile walk just to help get dopamine receptors up....you might be a candidate for high cortisol levels after the gym so something like endoamp or any PS will help...the other trick and it works is get some good ole L-tyrosine and some DL-phenyalanine. Until you do a full hormone panel it's hard to tell but it sounds like your just beating the **** out of yourself.

My friend Jim Laird covers what you are talking about very well.

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this is a good interview - also i have been taking PS and choline, but looking at endoamp i realize i have to really up the dose to get 800mg of p-serine
 
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