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closest supp. to a ph.

NRGora

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whats are some strong supps. close to being ph's but dont require pct. im looking at halodrol liguigels, seems to be pretty close but non-hormonal. thanks.
 
NRGora said:
whats are some strong supps. close to being ph's but dont require pct. im looking at halodrol liguigels, seems to be pretty close but non-hormonal. thanks.
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I had pretty good results with the liquigels.
T911 has many great reports.
Pslin, glycobol, glycergrow.
 
From personal experience I would have to say the Asteroid stack as well. I hear good things about T-911 but there are banned substances in it and I wish to compete naturally...
 
DreamWeaver said:
From personal experience I would have to say the Asteroid stack as well. I hear good things about T-911 but there are banned substances in it and I wish to compete naturally...
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Ya that's a great point, some of the stronger stuff may definitely be screened for, so if natural competetion was your goal, then double check all your chosen supps.
 
Nearest supp i think in theory would be 6-bromo, but from personal experience, a mega dose of super cissus. 9g plus a day.
 
ecosocialist said:
I believe that would be the 2-phenyl-benzo(h)chromen-4-one.
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I thought it was the Androstan-3-alpha-ol-17-one but what do I know, I was just warned about it by a fellow natural competitor. I would love it if it wasn't, T-911 sounds like the perfect bridge for Prime. Then Jacob has something similar in the works.. don't know when that will be out though.
 
DreamWeaver said:
I thought it was the Androstan-3-alpha-ol-17-one but what do I know, I was just warned about it by a fellow natural competitor. I would love it if it wasn't, T-911 sounds like the perfect bridge for Prime. Then Jacob has something similar in the works.. don't know when that will be out though.
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I should probably clarify that I was using
my bottle as a reference which happens to be the new formula so I can't say the same of the older one :)
 
DreamWeaver said:
What is the new formula ? Is it different than the one at NP ?
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Yes, the new formula has the 2-phenyl-benzo(h)chromen-4-one as well as Benzyl Ursolate. I don't think any of these are banned. The 2-phenyl-benzo(h)chromen-4-one is a derivation of 6,7 bromo I think. I could be wrong on this but I could've sworn Legal Gear said this to be true.

EDIT: the only website I've seen with the updated formula is LG's. Even NP has the old one.
 
I did not get to experience the old formula, but the t911 in combination with transdermal formestane and I3C has rebounded me from a cycle very quickly.
So it's definitely getting my approval.
 
Closest supp to ph is AI/ATD, so yeah 6oxo, but i consider them hormonal since they do manipulate your hormones to increase/release test.

6oxo is banned, not 6bromo
 
I really enjoyed Max Out by I Force... Comparable to X Factor but with some extra ingredients to promote non hormonal gains with the arachidonic acid as the main active...
 
wolverines said:
I really enjoyed Max Out by I Force... Comparable to X Factor but with some extra ingredients to promote non hormonal gains with the arachidonic acid as the main active...
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u liked maxout im kinda interested in it but ive been lookin for more feedback.
how was your go with it?
 
russianstar said:
Nearest supp i think in theory would be 6-bromo, but from personal experience, a mega dose of super cissus. 9g plus a day.
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that sounds pretty cool did u use bulk cissus or just mega dose super cissus?
the combo of 6-bromo and cissus sounds good isnt that what cissusdrol is how were your gains in strength and weight?
 
chris808costa said:
Would it be ok for a 16 yo to take the asteroid stack?
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Safe... yes, necessary no. There is so much potential at this age, I have seen people at your age put on chunks of mass without any supplementation whatsoever. Why bother, you can't start off by looking for an easier softer way. Pay your dues, lift, learn, eat. :drillsergeant:
 
DreamWeaver said:
Safe... yes, necessary no. There is so much potential at this age, I have seen people at your age put on chunks of mass without any supplementation whatsoever. Why bother, you can't start off by looking for an easier softer way. Pay your dues, lift, learn, eat. :drillsergeant:
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Chris... Listen to Dream!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! this advice is sound. You can take it at your age, but why when you don't need to??? This stuff should come after you build the base, and only after years of experience, lifting, and learning! Have fun and chase girls bro!
 
flightposite said:
u liked maxout im kinda interested in it but ive been lookin for more feedback.
how was your go with it?
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I have to say Max Out treated me very well... I stacked it with Activate Extreme and had awesome results... The strength gains were moderate but what I noticed the most was the overall hardening effects.... I lost some body fat and felt like I was pumped all day and had some nice increases in vascularity as well... Hope this helps bro
 
moderate strength as in u would have got it in that amount of time regardless of the maxout or was there a definite boost? strength is my main focus right now.
 
flightposite said:
moderate strength as in u would have got it in that amount of time regardless of the maxout or was there a definite boost? strength is my main focus right now.
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I think the Max Out contributed to the strength gains for the most part... I used it as part of my pct after a cycle of epi and diendrone and after coming off making gains is always a good thing
 
Well that all depends on the individual. (metabolism, activity level, weight) If you haven't gained any mass in a while and your diet is already pretty stable I would increase calories by a couple hundred until you start to see weight change.
 
MuscleBound1337 said:
Well that all depends on the individual. (metabolism, activity level, weight) If you haven't gained any mass in a while and your diet is already pretty stable I would increase calories by a couple hundred until you start to see weight change.
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Ok that is like one serving of Serious Mass :party:
 
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