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clen or PH cycle...

sakes

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im about 175 and im 5-8. i think im 15-18% body fat. i dont know to use liquid clen or a cycle of epistane. or to cycle then cut up with clen. which do yall advise?
 
well what are you trying to do? even if some people report a very slight loss of BF when using epistane/havoc, its still not in the same purpose category as clen.

i would definitely not take a PH because i'm trying to cut. i'd be eating as lean and heavily as possible to put as much weight on as i could. and the benefit of epi is when doing so, its less likely to retain water, thats all.
 
do i clen cut then run the epi to solidify ur gains
 
so whats the cycle of clen look like if its if its transdermal aka clenaplam or clenvisecrete. also how useful is keto? do i need or should get it?
 
i'd have all my crap in check diet wise (something you can stick with ) before using a drug to supplement it.
whats your current diet look like
 
im a college student so its hard for me to eat a lot... so i thought this would be a good time to cut. i eat a bowl of oatmeal with ATW protein in it in the morning. then i go to my friends dorm and make a turkey wrap at about 12. ill have a protein bar pre and post work out about 5. then ill come home and eat a burger. little snacks between classes include protein bars, shakes, or turkey sandwiches.
 
u can? stack them together also pretty well if u want to
 
cutting 15 odd lbs of fat and gaining 10lbs of muscle before the new year would be a VERY difficult task- nigh impossible with the diet that you posted.



should i get keto...lol... keto would be useful... read up about it.
 
sakes said:
bulking with epi to about 185-190 then cut with clen = 170ish solid muscle?
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Id say choose a different 1 to bulk with. Maybe try The One and the PCT they have which is OTC. Then make CLENVISCERATE and take an OTC fat burner to help get the process moving.
 
Yeah - but it will probably take you a bit longer to cut that down to 170lbs again. Remember theres only 12 weeks of the year left- 8 weeks of that will be your bulking cycle and PCT....
 
Tomahawk88 said:
Id say choose a different 1 to bulk with. Maybe try The One and the PCT they have which is OTC. Then make CLENVISCERATE and take an OTC fat burner to help get the process moving.
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very very poteneted!!
 
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