vidapreta
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True but you could say that about anything.
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Christian Friends - End Time Prophecies?
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True but you could say that about anything.
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houstontexas
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vidapreta said:
That's kind of the point
ax1
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NASA also reported a breach in the earths magnetosphere, thats where the problem lies next year. The government hasnt dont anything to upgrade the electric grid. The only problem here is massive blackouts, but who knows how people will react. There has been blackouts in cities where chaos erupted, and also blackouts where people behave like modern humans should.
hugry4more
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NuclearLaunch said:
True
The Bible says wine makes the heart rejoice. As for the person who said it would take up to 20 glasses of wine in Bible times to equal two today.. that really has nothing to do with it. Its not like people didn't get drunk back then. Drunkenness is a deadly sin. Its listed right next to idolitry, adultery n such. The Bible gives us clear guide lines as to what is accepted when it comes to drinking. We are told at Ephesians 5:18 " do not be getting drunk with wine, in which there is debauchery.."
So what is drunkenness?
Proverbs 23:20-35
U will become like one lying on the bottom of the sea , even like one lying at the top of a mast. It then goes on to describe one being beaten but doesn't feel the pain and doesn't know what's going on. The illustration about being on top of the mast is the uncontrollable swaying or when a intoxicated person can't even walk straight.
This is what drunkenness is, this is what is condoned. Having some drinks if it be one or four is not a sin, drunkenness is the sin.. not the act if having your mind altered.
I don't mean to high Jack this thread but the drinking thing kept coming up so I finally posted.
NuclearLaunch
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hugry4more said:
Good post. Thanks for your input.
When did NASA report this? Anyone have a link I would like to read.
Flaw
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[SUP]37[/SUP] "For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. [SUP]38[/SUP] For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, [SUP]39[/SUP] and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. [SUP]40[/SUP] Then two men will be in the field; one will be taken and one left. [SUP]41[/SUP] Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one left. [SUP]42[/SUP] Therefore, stay awake, for you do not know on what day your Lord is coming. [SUP]43[/SUP] But know this, that if the master of the house had known in what part of the night the thief was coming, he would have stayed awake and would not have let his house be broken into. [SUP]44[/SUP] Therefore you also must be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect." - Matthew 24: 37-44
These things were written as a warning so we would stay awake. Also written to give us strength because what was written has come true and this has strengthened our faith. The exact day is negligable and we can only speculate on when it will happen. The most important thing is that we are ready. Just as the son, Jesus does not even know the day, he is ready and prepared for battle.
The non-believers have blinders on. Making up all sorts of reasons not to believe while offering NOTHING to us. They say "These things have been happening since the beginning of time". To some extent yes, but their very attitude is prophecy fullfilled. You have to be blind to not see the changes the world has gone through in the last century. Notice this scripture.
[SUP]27[/SUP] And as Jesus passed on from there, two blind men followed him, crying aloud, “Have mercy on us, Son of David.” [SUP]28[/SUP] When he entered the house, the blind men came to him, and Jesus said to them, “Do you believe that I am able to do this?” They said to him, “Yes, Lord.” [SUP]29[/SUP] Then he touched their eyes, saying, “According to your faith be it done to you.” [SUP]30[/SUP] And their eyes were opened.- matthew 9:27-30
Notice that Jesus said "do you believe that I am able to do this?" It was FAITH that healed them. Jesus was not going to heal them if they did not have faith. Same goes for these non-believers. They will not see the things right in front of their face because they do not have faith. It is impossible for them. They will never see without faith.
These things were written as a warning so we would stay awake. Also written to give us strength because what was written has come true and this has strengthened our faith. The exact day is negligable and we can only speculate on when it will happen. The most important thing is that we are ready. Just as the son, Jesus does not even know the day, he is ready and prepared for battle.
The non-believers have blinders on. Making up all sorts of reasons not to believe while offering NOTHING to us. They say "These things have been happening since the beginning of time". To some extent yes, but their very attitude is prophecy fullfilled. You have to be blind to not see the changes the world has gone through in the last century. Notice this scripture.
[SUP]27[/SUP] And as Jesus passed on from there, two blind men followed him, crying aloud, “Have mercy on us, Son of David.” [SUP]28[/SUP] When he entered the house, the blind men came to him, and Jesus said to them, “Do you believe that I am able to do this?” They said to him, “Yes, Lord.” [SUP]29[/SUP] Then he touched their eyes, saying, “According to your faith be it done to you.” [SUP]30[/SUP] And their eyes were opened.- matthew 9:27-30
Notice that Jesus said "do you believe that I am able to do this?" It was FAITH that healed them. Jesus was not going to heal them if they did not have faith. Same goes for these non-believers. They will not see the things right in front of their face because they do not have faith. It is impossible for them. They will never see without faith.
vidapreta
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AE14
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agreed, there have been soooooo many times in the past with "signs" pointing to the end times. We are all so narcissistic that we believe it will be our generation. Quite foolish imo. We use texts written thousands of years ago, and think that they refer to the present, only because they are vague enough to even slightly resemble our own time.
So silly
So silly
NuclearLaunch
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AE14 said:
I agree with you on this one. I dont care how ignorant I may seem I just don't believe it will happen any time soon. People probably thought the same thing in the 1930's, then again in the 80's ( great depression and oil crisis ) and we are all still here. Alive and well.
AE14
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go back even further. This has been going on since ancient times and even during the middle ages. During the Romanesque period, there was a reason that maps were made for all the major churches of europe. People were scared to death that the end of times were going to be around the corner, so they went of boat loads of pilgrimages in an effort to protect themselves. You can see how hold this "end times" idea is, just by looking at art and all the last judgement scenes that pop up early in the middle (dark) ages.
It seems that we as a species are fascinated by this concept, and are so self-involved, that we believe everything that is going on in our little worlds truly is of the utmost significance. So ridiculous
It seems that we as a species are fascinated by this concept, and are so self-involved, that we believe everything that is going on in our little worlds truly is of the utmost significance. So ridiculous
NuclearLaunch
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I was just sighting recent examples. I glad we can agree on this though.
NuclearLaunch
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vidapreta said:
But it wasn't the end of the world. And not to sound like a d1ck but wasn't it 1/3?
Flaw
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2 peter 3 :3 "Most important, know this: in the last days scoffers will come, jeering, living by their own cravings, [SUP]4[/SUP] and saying, “Where is the promise of his coming? After all, nothing has changed—not since the beginning of creation, nor even since the ancestors died.” [SUP]5[/SUP] But they fail to notice that, by God’s word, heaven and earth were formed long ago out of water and by means of water. [SUP]6[/SUP] And it was through these that the world of that time was flooded and destroyed. [SUP]7[/SUP] But by the same word, heaven and earth are now held in reserve for fire, kept for the Judgment Day and destruction of ungodly people."
[SUP]16[/SUP] speaking of these things in all his letters. Some of his remarks are hard to understand, and people who are ignorant and whose faith is weak twist them to their own destruction, just as they do the other scriptures.[SUP]17[/SUP] Therefore, dear friends, since you have been warned in advance, be on guard so that you aren’t led off course into the error of sinful people, and lose your own safe position. [SUP]18[/SUP] Instead, grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and savior Jesus Christ. To him belongs glory now and forever. Amen"
It's wonderful to see prophecy being fullfilled right in front of you. Jesus said they would ridule us as they do, Jesus also said they would not believe just as they did then. These people don't even know they are part of prophecy. That's how blind they are.
[SUP]16[/SUP] speaking of these things in all his letters. Some of his remarks are hard to understand, and people who are ignorant and whose faith is weak twist them to their own destruction, just as they do the other scriptures.[SUP]17[/SUP] Therefore, dear friends, since you have been warned in advance, be on guard so that you aren’t led off course into the error of sinful people, and lose your own safe position. [SUP]18[/SUP] Instead, grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and savior Jesus Christ. To him belongs glory now and forever. Amen"
It's wonderful to see prophecy being fullfilled right in front of you. Jesus said they would ridule us as they do, Jesus also said they would not believe just as they did then. These people don't even know they are part of prophecy. That's how blind they are.
hugry4more
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NuclearLaunch said:
Yea I hear you guys on this. The important thing is to live our lives as if it is in our life time. Just as Abraham never got to see the fulfillment of his seed was acomplished, or how Moses never even got to enter n see the promise land with his own eyes after walking threw the wilderness for forty years, these men still stayed faithfully to the end. Even way back in Genesis to Enoch he lived in a times when wickedness was the worst, yet he died before God flooded the earth n destroyed all the evildoers. So to me if or if not the end comes in my life time is something to not dwell on. It would be something incredible to see and live threw though. The important thing is to walk to straight n narrow path.
AE14
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Just a question to all those that think about this topic:
Since Noah's flood was an "end times" event, is it likely that others might have written about it as well? Or even shared that exact story (i.e. Gilgamesh)? Furthermore, do you think that there is a scientific explanation for this type of event, that can be explained by natural processes and not "god"?
Since Noah's flood was an "end times" event, is it likely that others might have written about it as well? Or even shared that exact story (i.e. Gilgamesh)? Furthermore, do you think that there is a scientific explanation for this type of event, that can be explained by natural processes and not "god"?
ax1
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Why would Jesus or God care if man didnt believe what a prophecy from a book 2,000+ years ago said about the end of times? I think he would be more compassionate and love all humans, and judge by good and bad people not by whether you believe a hard to believe prophecy or not.
I mean, if its the end of times or not, who cares there is nothing anyone is going to do about it and we all go down...whats important is we are good people and kind to others as much as possible, and follow a ethical path. The end of times is inevitable for the individual, we all die. If you believe in God Im sure he wont kick you out of heaven if your a good person and were skeptical about prophecy or questioned anything out of the bible.
NuclearLaunch
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Flaw said:
Don't say I have weak faith. I just have positive outlook and like to believe that the world will not self destruct any time soon... I live my life in positive moral standings with Christ so that if it does happen, I can be with him forever. To say I have weak faith is wrong and I don't sit to well with that statement. If it does happen, so be it but I don't believe it will any time soon. I guess I'm just optimistic.
AE14
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it is always amazing, how those who profess such "faith" are always the most judgmental
Whacked
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AE14 - Thats a painting things with a ridiculously unjustified BROAD brush! LOL
I think it's fair to say people judge Christians more b/c we are held to a higher standard (by many, not all) b/c we are supposed to walk the walk. Look at this thread alone as an example. We got called hippocrites multiple times just for discussing our faith and our beliefs.
It should also be noted that Christians have an obligation to spread the Word. As such, it is important that people correctly (not subjectively) interpret this as admonishing people to get right with God and NOT "judging".
That said, I can appreciate how an Agnostic/Atheist would perceive such talk as "passing judgement"
I think it's fair to say people judge Christians more b/c we are held to a higher standard (by many, not all) b/c we are supposed to walk the walk. Look at this thread alone as an example. We got called hippocrites multiple times just for discussing our faith and our beliefs.
It should also be noted that Christians have an obligation to spread the Word. As such, it is important that people correctly (not subjectively) interpret this as admonishing people to get right with God and NOT "judging".
That said, I can appreciate how an Agnostic/Atheist would perceive such talk as "passing judgement"
Flaw
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I never said you had weak faith, I merely quoted scriptures so something must have resonated with you. Maybe God told you something. Often I'll read a passage and I'll go , ouch... I need to work on that. We have to be humble enough to accept his direction.
There is no fear of the end for the righteous man. If your doing the will of God you will be protected. When this world ends a new world is coming. A perfect one. What's there to fear about that?
matt8483
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hugry4more said:
Yea ur just like the rest of em who want the best of both worlds. Christ doesn't work that way. One to four drinks?? Ur kidding right?? U want to be able to be a "Christian" and drink at the same time. U people are so foolish. Hey everybody let's go to church and then went it's over, let's go have one to four drinks and shoot steroids. As long as we don't get drunk it's ok. MORONS!!
vidapreta
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hugry4more
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For reals
hugry4more
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Whacked said:
Thumbs up to this. I think people at times feel Christians are just judging everyone. We do our best to ignore how we personaly feel about something and direct attention to gods word. As they say only God can judge.
NuclearLaunch
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matt8483 said:
Let you who is perfect cast the first stone.
In other words, umadbro???
hugry4more
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matt8483 said:
Please supply scriptural evidence as if from the Bible God's word of truth which you have not referenced..?
That's what matters right. Not how how you or i feel but how God feels. This is why it important to always direct attention to the Bible.
hugry4more
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Flaw said:
Thumbs up to this!!
hugry4more
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Flaw said:
good stuff brother so true
ax1
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Whats interesting is there are far many gospels that whats in the bible. Some major ones are the Gospel of Thomas (It sounds more like eastern philosophy), the Gospel of Mary (which shows a relationship between her and Jesus), The gospel of Judas and more .
What happened was Emperor Constantine's and his council pick and chose what to be included in the bible out of the 100+ gospels.
So basically the bible is heavily censored by government, and although some christians do study the lost gospels its widely not accepted for reasons I dont understand.
hugry4more
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Look up information on the dead sea scrolls and Bible accuracy. This is one thing that strengthen my belief that the Bible is inspired by god
ax1
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The gospel of Thomas is interesting, and its supportive of theory and documentation and Jesus traveled to the far east to India and Tibet during his un-recorded missing 14 years. Im just speaking out of a historical perspective, Im not religious.
B5150
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@AE14 - I believe that many biblical events; the great flood, parting red sea, locust, raining from, seas turn to 'blood' etc. can all be attributed to the natural process. But I believe that our Creator has designed the natural process, so inherent is His hand at work.
I personally would look for more universe type of events such as meteors, solar flares, solar magnetic pulses/shifts, and other celestial events as fulfillments of prophetic end times activities. Sure, many global events in politics and natural (again that word) disaster, but as you stated we overemphasize the significance of our global events in light of galexial and universal events. We may be narrcisitic in our significance in the grand scheme of God the Creators plan but that does not devalue our worth to him.
Additionally, science and even mathematic has contradicted itself in the past, in the present and will again in the future. Lets just take global warming, medicine and health for some very tiny examples of how we have learned we were wrong when before that enlightenment we placed "faith" in our science as being infalable.
I personally would look for more universe type of events such as meteors, solar flares, solar magnetic pulses/shifts, and other celestial events as fulfillments of prophetic end times activities. Sure, many global events in politics and natural (again that word) disaster, but as you stated we overemphasize the significance of our global events in light of galexial and universal events. We may be narrcisitic in our significance in the grand scheme of God the Creators plan but that does not devalue our worth to him.
Additionally, science and even mathematic has contradicted itself in the past, in the present and will again in the future. Lets just take global warming, medicine and health for some very tiny examples of how we have learned we were wrong when before that enlightenment we placed "faith" in our science as being infalable.
AE14
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I do think that a good portion of events, if not all are explainable. THe flood as an example could be explained with the thaw of the last ice age, the parting of the sea- volcanic eruption on Thera. There are many examples that can be proven, however, your point is well taken. Our disagreement will be over whether a created intended it or not. If there is one (big if) I side with the deists on this, and it would be a totally impersonal creator.
Regarding the 3rd paragraph, you are correct. There have been many, many instances where something proven fact has later changed to a new "fact". On the flip side to that coin though, there are many instances in the New Testament alone where one gospel contradicts another one. Once again....a fallible document imo
carpee
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and now we are debating the accuracy and fallibility of the bible...
if you have an objection against christianity, that is 100% your right as a human being and I love living in a free country where we can have these discussions openly...but please start a different thread hahaha
I was really looking forward to discussing biblical end times prophecy and all we are doing is arguing about the existence of God, and the accuracy of the bible.
if you have an objection against christianity, that is 100% your right as a human being and I love living in a free country where we can have these discussions openly...but please start a different thread hahaha
I was really looking forward to discussing biblical end times prophecy and all we are doing is arguing about the existence of God, and the accuracy of the bible.
AE14
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please feel free to expand
B5150
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There are many prophets in the Old Testament and some of them made end time prophesies. I suggest then that you post one to present for discussion. You end time prophesy of choice. We can discuss it chapter and verse if you like.
NuclearLaunch
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carpee said:
The bible is where the end time prophecies come from so I believe the argument is relevant on whether the bible is accurate or not. I'm a Christian so I believe it is.
B5150
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...and I am attempting to redirect by suggesting that you offer up some substance on topic to discuss - an end time prophesy.