Christian Friends - End Time Prophecies?

[vidapreta]

So if let's say you do get the 666 mark of the beast on your hand or forehead and then you realize that you made a mistake and believed in God/Jesus and asked for Gods forgiveness, would it be too late??

 

[rsnake21]

As far as the way I interpreted.

 

[AE14]

This is the very Jewish Ideal that has been passed down through generations but very few Jewish people question it. Your gonna make me work on this one, That's ok Just some of the many reasons why Jesus was the messiah as prophesized in the OT. Feel free to open up your bible and follow along.

Prophecy and Fullfillment from the OT to the NT.

Born of the Tribe of Judah Gen 49:10 Luke 3:23-33
Born of a virgin Isaiah 7:14 Matt 1:18-25
Descended from King David Isaiah 9:7 Matt 1:1, 6-17
Declared by God (Jehovah) to be his son Psalm 2:7 Matt 3:17
He would not be believed in Isaiah 53:1 John 12:37-38
Would enter Jerusalem riding a ass Zechariah 9:9 Matt 21:1-9
Betrayed by a close friend Psalm 41:9 John 13: 18, 21-30
Betrayed for 30 pieces of silver Zechariah 11:12 Matt 26:14-16
He remained silent when accused Isaiah 53:7 Matt 27: 11-14
Lots cast for his garments Psalm 22:18 Matt 27:35
Reviled while on the stake Psalm 22: 7,8 Matt 27: 39-43
None of his bones would be broken Psalm 34:20 John 19: 33,36
Buried with the rich Isaiah 53:9 Matt 27: 57-60
Raised before corruption Psalm 16:10 Act 2: 24,27
Exalted to God's right hand Psalm 110:1 Act 7:56
Would be born in Jerusalem Micah 5:2 Matt 2:1
He would be called out of Egypt Hosea 11:1 Matt 2:15


The Jews were so "fixed" on their Ideal Messiah that they didn't even realize they were part of prophecy. The same goes for today. All the signs point to "end of days" yet few are listening.

It was more of a miss interpretation.

Show the criteria, sir. I won't believe it simply because in all of my reading the OT I have never seen a scripture not describing Jesus. In fact, most stories in the OT are imagery of what was to come (Jesus). There is also scripture in the OT that talks about the very people that God would come to save (Jews) would not believe in Him and not trusting in the Messiah. Quite honestly, I dont see how one could not observe the connection b/w Christ and the OT. In fact, you can tell that Christ is the Messiah because He totally man-handles the Pharisee's in the NT. They didn't stand a chance and eventually resorted to killing Him in order to cover up His message of hope.

There is a theme about the Jews throughout the OT - they were very temporal beings that constantly let the immediate circumstances overcome their faith in God. Nothing changed about this aspect of the Jews during the NT. They again focused on having physical, worldy needs met rather than understanding their eternal needs.

Agreed. That and What they thought was blasphemy. With Jesus saying that "Your sins are forgiven". OT mentions that Only God can forgive sins. With this miss understanding on the Jews part. Still saying he is not the Christ. This is just a small example.

^^^ Str8 owned, lol. I'm following along! I'm enjoying the victory in Truth!

Flaw ur my new best friend on AM

str8 owned :lol:

Lets take a look at a few of these shall we?

Descended from King David. Look at the familial line. It was Joseph that was descended from David. Joseph was the earthly father, not the biological one. Therefore, ae throws the fast ball and jesus swings and misses STRIKE 1

The Jewish Messiah was to bring peace unto the world.....and? STRIKE 2

He was to rebuild the temple....and? STRIKE 3 YEEEER OUT

All silliness aside, there was a specific reason that the Jews of the time didnt believe, and thats because not all the criteria were met.

Also, bear this little tid bit in mind....Jesus, by all accounts was a religious scholar (especially considering he was a Nazarene). He would be well aware of the OT prophecy, and in trying to be the Messiah, would fulfill that which he could. Only makes sense to add credence to his teachings.

Hell, his own miracles were nothing out of the ordinary for the time. Many were performing miracles. Lets do a little research here folks. Simon of Peraea anyone?

 

[Whacked]

Man, that's actually a really good question that I am not qualified to answer as I would prefer not to speculate

So if let's say you do get the 666 mark of the beast on your hand or forehead and then you realize that you made a mistake and believed in God/Jesus and asked for Gods forgiveness, would it be too late??

 

[vidapreta]

Man, that's actually a really good question that I am not qualified to answer as I would prefer not to speculate

Yeah i was just wondering if there was a point when it was too late, a point of no return.

 

[Flaw]

Descended from King David. Look at the familial line. It was Joseph that was descended from David. Joseph was the earthly father, not the biological one. Therefore, ae throws the fast ball and jesus swings and misses STRIKE 1

The Jewish Messiah was to bring peace unto the world.....and? STRIKE 2

He was to rebuild the temple....and? STRIKE 3 YEEEER OUT

All silliness aside, there was a specific reason that the Jews of the time didnt believe, and thats because not all the criteria were met.

Ohh my friend, You are forgetting about his mother, Mary. She is in the blood line of david. Since she gave birth to him, they were connected in blood. That made Jesus connected to David. Also Jesus was legally Joseph's son in the kingly line, Jesus was and is legally entitled to the throne of David.

The messiah hasn't finished his work yet, the Jews were under some misconception that he would bring peace immediately.

The temple Jesus was talking about wasn't a physical temple. It was a spiritual one.

1 Corinthians 3:16-17: "Do you not know that you people are God's temple, and that the spirit of God dwells in you? If anyone destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him; for the temple of God is holy, which temple you people are."

1 Corinthians 6:19: "What! Do you not know that the body of you people is the temple of the holy spirit within you, which you have from God?"

2 Corinthians 6:16: "For we are a temple of a living God; just as God said: "I shall reside among them and walk among them, and I shall be their God, and they will be my people."

Ephesians 2:20-22: "While Christ Jesus himself is the foundation cornerstone. In union with him the whole building, being harmoniously joined together, is growing into a holy temple for Jehovah. In union with him you, too, are being built up together into a place for God to inhabit by spirit."



The only reason the Jews rejected Jesus was because he didn't fit "THEIR" criteria. (Isaiah 53:1, John 12:37-38)

 

[NuclearLaunch]

str8 owned :lol:

Lets take a look at a few of these shall we?

Descended from King David. Look at the familial line. It was Joseph that was descended from David. Joseph was the earthly father, not the biological one. Therefore, ae throws the fast ball and jesus swings and misses STRIKE 1

The Jewish Messiah was to bring peace unto the world.....and? STRIKE 2

He was to rebuild the temple....and? STRIKE 3 YEEEER OUT

All silliness aside, there was a specific reason that the Jews of the time didnt believe, and thats because not all the criteria were met.

Also, bear this little tid bit in mind....Jesus, by all accounts was a religious scholar (especially considering he was a Nazarene). He would be well aware of the OT prophecy, and in trying to be the Messiah, would fulfill that which he could. Only makes sense to add credence to his teachings.

Hell, his own miracles were nothing out of the ordinary for the time. Many were performing miracles. Lets do a little research here folks. Simon of Peraea anyone?

Your knowledge amazes me. I don't get how you know so much and don't believe. Most Catholics, including myself, cannot quote the word of God, and you do it and site examples like its nothing yet you dont believe yourself. I feel put down. It's nice to see someone with such a knowledge who doesnt believe come in here and have a peaceful debate about all this. I respect you for that.

 

[Whacked]

Agreed: A14 is quite knowledgeable but Flaw is crazy knowlegeable as well.

 

[NuclearLaunch]

What is flaw's beliefs? No higher being or a higher being? I was just pointing out AE because he has such an amazing understanding and can interpret better than I can and I do believe.

Fixed it

 

[Whacked]

I'll let FLAW reply to that. The short answer is that he is a Christian.

 

[NuclearLaunch]

I have respect for all of y'all really. Interesting thread to see different opinions in.

 

[AE14]

Your knowledge amazes me. I don't get how you know so much and don't believe. Most Catholics, including myself, cannot quote the word of God, and you do it and site examples like its nothing yet you dont believe yourself. I feel put down. It's nice to see someone with such a knowledge who doesnt believe come in here and have a peaceful debate about all this. I respect you for that.

thank you. It is through all the years I have spent reading and researching that drew me to the religious conclusion where I presently stand.

Ohh my friend, You are forgetting about his mother, Mary. She is in the blood line of david. Since she gave birth to him, they were connected in blood. That made Jesus connected to David. Also Jesus was legally Joseph's son in the kingly line, Jesus was and is legally entitled to the throne of David.

The messiah hasn't finished his work yet, the Jews were under some misconception that he would bring peace immediately.

The temple Jesus was talking about wasn't a physical temple. It was a spiritual one.

1 Corinthians 3:16-17: "Do you not know that you people are God's temple, and that the spirit of God dwells in you? If anyone destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him; for the temple of God is holy, which temple you people are."

1 Corinthians 6:19: "What! Do you not know that the body of you people is the temple of the holy spirit within you, which you have from God?"

2 Corinthians 6:16: "For we are a temple of a living God; just as God said: "I shall reside among them and walk among them, and I shall be their God, and they will be my people."

Ephesians 2:20-22: "While Christ Jesus himself is the foundation cornerstone. In union with him the whole building, being harmoniously joined together, is growing into a holy temple for Jehovah. In union with him you, too, are being built up together into a place for God to inhabit by spirit."



The only reason the Jews rejected Jesus was because he didn't fit "THEIR" criteria. (Isaiah 53:1, John 12:37-38)

Flaw, I have to disagree. There is no evidence that Mary descended from David. In fact, Matthew and Luke are unified in the fact that it was Joseph that was David's descendant. Although, as always, the bible contradicts itself in terms of which son of david he came from. gotta love it. Mary's genealogy is never mentioned.

Furthermore, you saying that the Messiah's business is not complete is a cop out (not to mention the interpretation that the temple was spiritual and not physical ). Of course Jesus couldn't complete it, he never met the criteria. Hell, if you do the research into earlier pagan traditions you get the Jesus story as a conglomeration of several earlier stories (Sol Invictus, Mithras, Horus, Dionysus, etc...)

 

[Flaw]

Flaw, I have to disagree. There is no evidence that Mary descended from David. In fact, Matthew and Luke are unified in the fact that it was Joseph that was David's descendant. Although, as always, the bible contradicts itself in terms of which son of david he came from. gotta love it. Mary's genealogy is never mentioned.

Furthermore, you saying that the Messiah's business is not complete is a cop out (not to mention the interpretation that the temple was spiritual and not physical ). Of course Jesus couldn't complete it, he never met the criteria. Hell, if you do the research into earlier pagan traditions you get the Jesus story as a conglomeration of several earlier stories (Sol Invictus, Mithras, Horus, Dionysus, etc...)

Is the contradiction your referring to happen to be in Luke 3:23? This is where you might actually be mistaken. It's not a contradition. This is Mary's genealogy. It was common among the hebrews to refer a son-in-law as a son, especially in genealogical listings.

For example Matt 1:12 says " After the deportation to Babylon: Jeconiah became the father of Shealtiel, and Shealtiel the father of Zerubbabel"

But then Luke 3:27 says " the son of Joanan, the son of Rhesa, the son of Zerubbabel, the son of Shealtiel, the son of Neri,"

Matthew says Jeconiah is the father of shealtiel while Luke says Neri is the father of Shealtiel. He was a direct son of Jeconiah but he was also a son of Neri because he was married to Neri's daughter. Following???

This is how we find out mary's genealogy.

Luke 3:23 "And Jesus himself, when he began to teach, was about thirty years of age, being the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the son of Heli"

Mary is the daughter of Heli. Joseph is written in Luke as the son of Heli because he is married to Heli's daughter? Follow?

Luke 3:24 " the son of Matthat, the son of Levi, the son of Melchi, the son of Jannai, the son of Joseph, "

Matthat is the father of Heli and then you can see how you trace it back to Joseph and eventually david.

Christiananswers.net recongizes Heli as the father of Mary Invalid Link Removed


Bullinger in his companion bible states: Joseph was begotten by Jacob and was his natural son. (Matt 1:16) He could be the legal son of Heli, therefore, only by marriage with Heli's daughter (Mary) and be reckoned so according to the law"

 

[AE14]

Flaw, Joachim is her father. Most biblical historians agreed that Mary's genealogy is not discussed.

Additionally, the OT prophecy specifically references the line of David from the fathers side. Therefore it can't work. The fact is,the OT prophecy and the lift of Jesus are not a historical match.

 

[Flaw]

Flaw, Joachim is her father. Most biblical historians agreed that Mary's genealogy is not discussed.

Additionally, the OT prophecy specifically references the line of David from the fathers side. Therefore it can't work. The fact is,the OT prophecy and the lift of Jesus are not a historical match.

Research Hebrew Geneaology and you will see what I mean. I disagree that the reference was specific to his fathers side. It's not that specific. Only of the line of david. There's another way you can look at it too. The Bible does not specifically say that the messiah had to be of the same blood. There is no discrepancy between a "legal" father and a blood father. Legally Joseph was the father of Jesus.

Again though, you have to know a little bit of hebrew.

The Talmud Yerushalmi says Heli is the father of Mary.


למרים ברת עלי

Talmud Yerushalmi, Hag., chap.2, 11a


PS there's no mention of Joachim in the bible. The only mention of Joachim is in the NON-Biblical Gospel of James which would make it a apocryphal book and nothing more than a story. Throw that in the fire with the book of Judas.

 

[AE14]

Research Hebrew Geneaology and you will see what I mean. I disagree that the reference was specific to his fathers side. It's not that specific. Only of the line of david. There's another way you can look at it too. The Bible does not specifically say that the messiah had to be of the same blood. There is no discrepancy between a "legal" father and a blood father. Legally Joseph was the father of Jesus.

Again though, you have to know a little bit of hebrew.

The Talmud Yerushalmi says Heli is the father of Mary.


למרים ברת עלי

Talmud Yerushalmi, Hag., chap.2, 11a


PS there's no mention of Joachim in the bible. The only mention of Joachim is in the NON-Biblical Gospel of James which would make it a apocryphal book and nothing more than a story. Throw that in the fire with the book of Judas.

I always love the last part, anything that WAS originally part of the holy text, but later tossed out (for varying reasons) by man, no longer counts

What you are doing Flaw, is interpreting text and not taking it at face value. When it says father, I highly doubt the writers meant anything more than what they said....a father (which leads to blood) Even the Qur'an mentions Joachim as her father.

Using your argument of biblical sources....Mary is not of that line. It is never mentioned. Therefore he is not the Messiah (according to the jews of the time) as he shares no blood with David.

Outside of this issue, I already raised several other OT Messianic prophecies that clearly illustrate that a historical Jesus did not come close to fulfilling.

I hate wiki: but this lays out a nice list
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[fueledpassion]

If God cared so much about the Jews precious temple building, as well as the restoration of temporal peace in the world, then why does He promise in the prophecies to destroy everything and rebuild it? ( this doesnt really need to be answered I already know the answer but I hope that others will actually think about this and discover the truth as well )...

The fact is God didnt put all of His eggs in the basket of restoring temporal things, relationships, countries etc. No, Johovah has always been focused on the eternal things and this is why the Jews are destined to not believe in Christ - because He came to fulfill prophecy, not to conquer a generations problems. After all, there is a whole sect of Jews that dont even believe in heaven or hell - the Saducess. Oh what a surprise it will be for them when He does come back!

But anyways, what does it matter? I believe in Christ and worst case scenario - I wind up with the same fate as the Jews. However, for the Jews...they couldnt say the same.

 

[Flaw]

What is flaw's beliefs? No higher being or a higher being? Fixed it

In the words of Issac Newton ""In the absence of any other proof, the thumb alone would convince me of God's existence."

Belief in God is actually more scientific than it is a religious/faith based idea. Let me explain. All known evidence indicates no finite living being or object can exist without a creator. Something has always come from something else. This is fact. No one knows for sure who designed stonehenge, yet no one argues it wasn't designed by someone or something. So why would it be any different for the earth and everything else in existence? The idea that we all came from nothing would be the same idea that says stonehenge formed itself out of nothing. Yet does anyone believe that? No. It's not logical, rational, or scientific.

 

[NuclearLaunch]

But anyways, what does it matter? I believe in Christ and worst case scenario - I wind up with the same fate as the Jews. However, for the Jews...they couldnt say the same.

Are you hinting that the Jews are a damn denomination? That's what it sounds like and I certainly don't believe that's right.

 

[AE14]

If God cared so much about the Jews precious temple building, as well as the restoration of temporal peace in the world, then why does He promise in the prophecies to destroy everything and rebuild it? ( this doesnt really need to be answered I already know the answer but I hope that others will actually think about this and discover the truth as well )...

The fact is God didnt put all of His eggs in the basket of restoring temporal things, relationships, countries etc. No, Johovah has always been focused on the eternal things and this is why the Jews are destined to not believe in Christ - because He came to fulfill prophecy, not to conquer a generations problems. After all, there is a whole sect of Jews that dont even believe in heaven or hell - the Saducess. Oh what a surprise it will be for them when He does come back!

But anyways, what does it matter? I believe in Christ and worst case scenario - I wind up with the same fate as the Jews. However, for the Jews...they couldnt say the same.

It is comments like this that give theists a really bad name. gotta love it when a person feels that they know enough to damn someone to a possible "eternal damnation". Sounds like a true theists. God bless you

 

[AE14]

In the words of Issac Newton ""In the absence of any other proof, the thumb alone would convince me of God's existence."

Belief in God is actually more scientific than it is a religious/faith based idea. Let me explain. All known evidence indicates no finite living being or object can exist without a creator. Something has always come from something else. This is fact. No one knows for sure who designed stonehenge, yet no one argues it wasn't designed by someone or something. So why would it be any different for the earth and everything else in existence? The idea that we all came from nothing would be the same idea that says stonehenge formed itself out of nothing. Yet does anyone believe that? No. It's not logical, rational, or scientific.

Ahh...the first creation argument. Very true...but then, what created the creator?

Based on your statement no finite living being or object can exist without a creator, so......

 

[Flaw]

I always love the last part, anything that WAS originally part of the holy text, but later tossed out (for varying reasons) by man, no longer counts

What you are doing Flaw, is interpreting text and not taking it at face value. When it says father, I highly doubt the writers meant anything more than what they said....a father (which leads to blood) Even the Qur'an mentions Joachim as her father.

Using your argument of biblical sources....Mary is not of that line. It is never mentioned. Therefore he is not the Messiah (according to the jews of the time) as he shares no blood with David.

Outside of this issue, I already raised several other OT Messianic prophecies that clearly illustrate that a historical Jesus did not come close to fulfilling.

I hate wiki: but this lays out a nice list
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It's not original and i'll tell you why.When you read this book, you see a different James. Based on the style of the language and the fact that the author is not aware of contemporary Jewish customs, the work is pseudepigraphical.

You seem to be ignoring the history of Hebrew Genealogy. If every single text was face value then Joseph would have 2 fathers. It helps to know a little history and about the language the texts were originally written in.

Jesus did not fullfill prophecy According to the Jews. Too me their reasoning is more of a cop-out than anything.

 

[Flaw]

Ahh...the first creation argument. Very true...but then, what created the creator?

Based on your statement no finite living being or object can exist without a creator, so......

My suitible answer is the bibles one. He had no beginning. He was always there and always will be. This belief is not scientific of course but science cannot provide me with any other reasonable answer. For myself I think we give ourselves too much credit. If something was intelligent enough to create us and the universe than we cannot comprehend all it's power and knowledge.

 

[AE14]

It's not original and i'll tell you why.When you read this book, you see a different James. Based on the style of the language and the fact that the author is not aware of contemporary Jewish customs, the work is pseudepigraphical.

You seem to be ignoring the history of Hebrew Genealogy. If every single text was face value then Joseph would have 2 fathers. It helps to know a little history and about the language the texts were originally written in.

Jesus did not fullfill prophecy According to the Jews. Too me their reasoning is more of a cop-out than anything.

I am well aware of the issues with Joseph's father and how it is laid out. However, again.....there is nothing ever written in biblical texts about Mary's genealogy. You are just inferring it to fit what you are hoping to see. (Just being honest).

The Messianic prophecy was from the OT. He did not fit a portion of those. Not a cop out, just a statement of history.

This is the dilemma. The messianic prophecy is very clear...it could not be the figure known as Jesus.

 

[AE14]

My suitible answer is the bibles one. He had no beginning. He was always there and always will be. This belief is not scientific of course but science cannot provide me with any other reasonable answer. For myself I think we give ourselves too much credit. If something was intelligent enough to create us and the universe than we cannot comprehend all it's power and knowledge.

I understand this answer, but find it another "I dont know, so its god". Your statement contradicts your earlier one

 

[Flaw]

because He came to fulfill prophecy, not to conquer a generations problems.

This is the big reason why the Jews wouldn't accept him. They didn't fully understand his purpose.

 

[Flaw]

I am well aware of the issues with Joseph's father and how it is laid out. However, again.....there is nothing ever written in biblical texts about Mary's genealogy. You are just inferring it to fit what you are hoping to see. (Just being honest).

The Messianic prophecy was from the OT. He did not fit a portion of those. Not a cop out, just a statement of history.

This is the dilemma. The messianic prophecy is very clear...it could not be the figure known as Jesus.

If I didn't know the hebrew geneaology and customs of that time I would have nothing on the father of mary but I can't ignore that. If you or anyone chooses too that is your decision.

I don't see anywhere else we can go from here so I guess it was a good discussion, till next time

 

[AE14]

This is the big reason why the Jews wouldn't accept him. They didn't fully understand his purpose.

I swear this is my last time saying it.....he did not fulfill the OT prophecy. That is why he was not accepted

 

[NuclearLaunch]

Ahh...the first creation argument. Very true...but then, what created the creator?

Based on your statement no finite living being or object can exist without a creator, so......

Saw this coming from a mile away when he posted his last post. I don't see the science.

 

[AE14]

If I didn't know the hebrew geneaology and customs of that time I would have nothing on the father of mary but I can't ignore that. If you or anyone chooses too that is your decision.

I don't see anywhere else we can go from here so I guess it was a good discussion, till next time

till next time, and we will discuss Joachim as her father again.

If you havent seen the Giotto painting of Anne and Joachim I highly recommend it

 

[carpee]

This thread is intended for those who already believe in the biblical God and are interested in discussing the end times...

Can we please stop debating the existence of God in this thread? Or even if Jesus fulfilled the OT prophecy.

I have gotten sidetracked in this thread, myself...I know these topics ignite passion from people, but can we please stick with the subject of biblical End times prophecy?

 

[Flaw]

I understand this answer, but find it another "I dont know, so its god". Your statement contradicts your earlier one

It's not a "I don't know" because that would mean I have no evidence. I feel that I have my evidence and my reason.

 

[AE14]

This thread is intended for those who already believe in the biblical God and are interested in discussing the end times...

Can we please stop debating the existence of God in this thread? Or even if Jesus fulfilled the OT prophecy.

I have gotten sidetracked in this thread, myself...I know these topics ignite passion from people, but can we please stick with the subject of biblical End times prophecy?

you are correct, however, should it be limited to only theists?

Either way, I will bid an adieu at this point.

 

[carpee]

you are correct, however, should it be limited to only theists?

Either way, I will bid an adieu at this point.

No, not at all...

I think you have excellent points to add.
For the purpose of the thread though; it should correlate with biblical end times.

 

[vidapreta]

Ahh...the first creation argument. Very true...but then, what created the creator?

Based on your statement no finite living being or object can exist without a creator, so......

Wow that was good!!

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[dch24]

Jus wanted to say i am very jealous of some of you for the amount of scriptures and knowledge about the bible that some of you have. I am a Christian and I can't even come close to some of y'all on quoting scripture. But I look at things this way with God I can't see him physically but I have seen his works and his miracles in my life through some of the things that have happened to me. Our whole religion is based on faith. I remember somewhere in Hebrews it says faith is the assurance of things hoped for and the evidence of things unseen. But I would like to thank everybody on here for being so courteous and understanding to everyone else's views

 

[Whacked]

No need to be jealous of anyone man.

We all have to start somewhere. Pick up a Bible and get started brother. As Christians "followers of Christ", we are advised to do emulate Him. To do so, read the Bible for yourself as opposed to subscribing to man-made versions and interpretations.

Back OT:

Anyone else find it blatantly obvious that Obama is NOT a fan of Israel? he JUST added more ANTI-Israel regulations

I don't care what faith this dude professes to be, he is NOT a Christian by virtue of many things he has done.

I DO believe he is playing a role and assisting in setting the stage for End Times. The entire world is jonesing for the chance to attack Israel the USA used to be the only thing that stood in their way! Well, Obama is making that an easier possibility DAILY.

Jus wanted to say i am very jealous of some of you for the amount of scriptures and knowledge about the bible that some of you have. I am a Christian and I can't even come close to some of y'all on quoting scripture. But I look at things this way with God I can't see him physically but I have seen his works and his miracles in my life through some of the things that have happened to me. Our whole religion is based on faith. I remember somewhere in Hebrews it says faith is the assurance of things hoped for and the evidence of things unseen. But I would like to thank everybody on here for being so courteous and understanding to everyone else's views

 

[carpee]

No need to be jealous of anyone man.

We all have to start somewhere. Pick up a Bible and get started brother. As Christians "followers of Christ", we are advised to do emulate Him. To do so, read the Bible for yourself as opposed to subscribing to man-made versions and interpretations.

Back OT:

Anyone else find it blatantly obvious that Obama is NOT a fan of Israel? he JUST added more ANTI-Israel regulations

I don't care what faith this dude professes to be, he is NOT a Christian by virtue of many things he has done.

I DO believe he is playing a role and assisting in setting the stage for End Times. The entire world is jonesing for the chance to attack Israel the USA used to be the only thing that stood in their way! Well, Obama is making that an easier possibility DAILY.

Agreed 100%

Look for a video by David Horowitz's foundation...called something like "Obama the most anti-Israel president yet"
pretty much cliff notes of what he's really done.

Then he gets on tv and claims he's done more for Israel than any other administration...yeah, maybe for their demise

 

[B5150]

Jus wanted to say i am very jealous of some of you for the amount of scriptures and knowledge about the bible that some of you have. I am a Christian and I can't even come close to some of y'all on quoting scripture. But I look at things this way with God I can't see him physically but I have seen his works and his miracles in my life through some of the things that have happened to me. Our whole religion is based on faith. I remember somewhere in Hebrews it says faith is the assurance of things hoped for and the evidence of things unseen. But I would like to thank everybody on here for being so courteous and understanding to everyone else's views

I prefer the KJV of Hebrews 11:1 - "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen."

It's called a testimony and you have one to share.

1 Peter 3:15 - "Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have."

What you and I have is the experience of an encounter with Christ. That encounter is usually supernatural and intangiable to others but an encounter none the less. After a true encounter with the living Christ you will never be the same.

Those who don't "get it" have not had that experience of an encounter with Christ...yet. For had they had one they too would know what you and I know.

IRT your jealousy - don't be. There is heart knowledge and head knowledge. I can educate my head in the matters of my heart experience yet the inverse is not so easy. You cannot think your heart into an expeince. I too was very scripturally illiterate up until several years ago. Today I have found the head knowledge to quote scripture that correlates with the heart knowledge.

This motivated me to become literate:

Hebrews 5:12-14 - "In fact, though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you the elementary truths of God’s word all over again. You need milk, not solid food! Anyone who lives on milk, being still an infant, is not acquainted with the teaching about righteousness. But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil."

Heart and Head - That becomes true testimony at its best.


Be Blessed!

 

[carpee]

I prefer the KJV of Hebrews 11:1 - "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen."

It's called a testimony and you have one to share.

1 Peter 3:15 - "Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have."

What you and I have is the experience of an encounter with Christ. That encounter is usually supernatural and intangiable to others but an encounter none the less. After a true encounter with the living Christ you will never be the same.

Those who don't "get it" have not had that experience of an encounter with Christ...yet. For had they had one they too would know what you and I know.

IRT your jealousy - don't be. There is heart knowledge and head knowledge. I can educate my head in the matters of what my heart has experienced. I too was very scripturally illiterate up until several years ago. Today I have found the head knowledge to quote scripture that correaltes the heart knowledge. That become true testimony at its best.

Be Blessed!

Inspiring post!!

 

[Whacked]

No Doubt! DEEP too

 

[carpee]

I prefer the KJV of Hebrews 11:1 - "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen."

It's called a testimony and you have one to share.

1 Peter 3:15 - "Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have."

What you and I have is the experience of an encounter with Christ. That encounter is usually supernatural and intangiable to others but an encounter none the less. After a true encounter with the living Christ you will never be the same.

Those who don't "get it" have not had that experience of an encounter with Christ...yet. For had they had one they too would know what you and I know.

IRT your jealousy - don't be. There is heart knowledge and head knowledge. I can educate my head in the matters of what my heart has experienced. I too was very scripturally illiterate up until several years ago. Today I have found the head knowledge to quote scripture that correaltes the heart knowledge. That become true testimony at its best.

Be Blessed!

Inspiring post!!

 

[AE14]

No need to be jealous of anyone man.

We all have to start somewhere. Pick up a Bible and get started brother. As Christians "followers of Christ", we are advised to do emulate Him. To do so, read the Bible for yourself as opposed to subscribing to man-made versions and interpretations.

Back OT:

Anyone else find it blatantly obvious that Obama is NOT a fan of Israel? he JUST added more ANTI-Israel regulations

I don't care what faith this dude professes to be, he is NOT a Christian by virtue of many things he has done.

I DO believe he is playing a role and assisting in setting the stage for End Times. The entire world is jonesing for the chance to attack Israel the USA used to be the only thing that stood in their way! Well, Obama is making that an easier possibility DAILY.

The US stood in the way? Really? We were part of the main issue with Israel and their neighbors all the way back to WWI. We have been a problem more than an assistance.

Also, you say that Obama is not acting like a Christian. What does that truly mean? No disrespect, but based on your earlier commentary it means damning Jews to hell.

 

[carpee]

I think the fact is, if you call yourself a Christian you must be an ambassador of Christ and love.

Be it Jews, Gentiles, Christians, Muslims, smurfs, whatever... No body of people deserves to live in fear for their existence.
It's simply unacceptable to call for the extermination of a people.
And unfortunately the border issues will not stay diplomatic, it always comes down to violence.


We as free people of the united states should speak up...but it's not cool so no one will. I'm not standing just for Israel, every human being deserves their basic human rights - worldwide, no exceptions.

 

[carpee]

I think the fact is, if you call yourself a Christian you must be an ambassador of Christ and love.

Be it Jews, Gentiles, Christians, Muslims, smurfs, whatever... No body of people deserves to live in fear for their existence.
It's simply unacceptable to call for the extermination of a people.
And unfortunately the border issues will not stay diplomatic, it always comes down to violence.


We as free people of the united states should speak up...but it's not cool so no one will. I'm not standing just for Israel, every human being deserves their basic human rights - worldwide, no exceptions.

 

[NuclearLaunch]

I think the fact is, if you call yourself a Christian you must be an ambassador of Christ and love.

The best post so far. Amen to that. It's about showing people through actions. An archbishop from the St. Louis and then New Orleans area had a famous saying, "Preach the Gospel, use words if necessary." it's not simply through what we believe it's through our actions that we inspire others.

 

[Sourdough]

He already has tricked everyone into following him The bible is the only way you know that he exists. If your uneducated in the bible your un aware of him and if your unaware of him your just his little puppet. He's ok with you not believing in him, as long as he takes your focus off God he still wins. That's all he wants. He'll take blind or direct worship.

My next post, I will try to explain the anti-christ and no he's not a specific person. Definetely not Obama. lol.

sorry... behind and catching up... i just wanted to state I agree with this....

 

[Sourdough]

do you have any clues to him being a mason?

I definitely think this is a piece to the bigger puzzle.

It's no coincidence with all the economic instability worldwide. The new world order is not just an idea anymore...

every single US president is sworn in as a free mason... all the signers of the dec of ind were as well.... its not a conspiracy or anything... just truth.

 

[Sourdough]

For serial!
I don't believe Obama is "the Antichrist" but I do believe he is a member of the freemasons, who are part of the Order of the Illuminati.

free masons believe in god... Illuminati are atheists they are not one and the same nor are they related

 

[Sourdough]

Agreed. Islam is the spirit of Anti-Christ; so is Mormonism, Atheism, and Scientology to name a few more for that matter.

explain...

mormons, as they are commonly referenced to incorrectly, are actually members of "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints"


How can those that worship Christ and place him and strong family values at the head of their beliefs and teachings be the antichrist???

I think you have little, to no, information of "Mormons" to base your beliefs/opinions on such a thing...