Charles Rangle: Military draft proposal as soon as Dems convene in January

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US Representative Charles Rangel, a Democrat and the incoming chairman of the House of Representatives' tax-writing committee, said he would introduce legislation to reinstate the draft as soon as the new Democratic-controlled Congress convenes in January.

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he believes it will help prevent unnecessary wars in the future.

his reasoning is that politicians will be more hesitant to go to war if they knew that any civilian could be drafted to fight and maybe die.
 
And he's also put this up for several tried and has been voted down by a HUUUGE margine. I think ther should be a min. service time for everyone. Whether it be in the military or at a soup kitchen etc. 2-3 years of service would have a great benefit...I think.
 
2 years public or military service would be cool. It would strengthen us as a nation quite a bit.

McCain is talking about escalating the Iraq effort. Talk about a draft or escalation will lose elections as I don't think the country is in any mood for heightened involvment.
 
I don't like the government forcing me to do anything...I already hate the fact they can give me taxes I never had the opportunity to vote on and stick me in jail for not paying them, let alone tell me I have to go to war over something I may or may not believe in (or go to jail and have my life basically ruined).
 
kwyckemynd00 said:
I don't like the government forcing me to do anything...I already hate the fact they can give me taxes I never had the opportunity to vote on and stick me in jail for not paying them, let alone tell me I have to go to war over something I may or may not believe in (or go to jail and have my life basically ruined).
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I agree totaly with kwycke here. Some people just are not meant to be sent into the military and some people just outright dont want to go. This is a free country and i beleive it should stay that way with our right to choose whether we wanna join the armed forces or not.
 
Too many that are vocal on a lot of issues without ever having to get down and the nitty gritty with them. You think you have it bad about having to pay taxes you never voted for? How about the military members who have people who have never served telling them how things are going to be ran. 2 years of your life serving in some form of gov't institute would not only open a lot of eyes up but it would get more people involved in issues 'that don't affect me"
 
I see where you're coming from, but people join the military, its voluntary so I don't think the parallel you're drawing is appropriate.

But, I do feel really sad for the military these days. Military people are just another political tool. I truly believe little to no consideration to their well being is given by many politicians. Hell, the US military has to constantly fight to uphold its reputation because our "leaders" are capitalizing off of them doing their job...its sad.
 
And this is where Kwyk ends up with cuts and bruises at the local emergency room and tells the Doctors he "fell"
 
Rangel doesn't seem to have answers for other complications that can arise from this proposal. I get the impression that he thinks this will stop wars and make it so that more rich kids have to serve in the military. If anything, other countries will spin a larger US army as a sign of aggression, I got 30:1 odds on that. If he really wanted to cut down on our military involvement then wouldn't it be easier to reduce the number of troops we can have on board ? I think that would be more likely to make us think twice about getting involved militarily since there would be fewer soldiers, OR we could just nuke whoever has an issue w/us :D

* Will a military of draftees do better then a volunteer military ?

* Will we use the draft long term or just for war emergencies ? What if there is a long period of peace and young people forced to serve could be pursuing different careers ?

* If we hypothetically don't start wars with Iran or North Korea would we really need a draft ?

* We have increasing numbers of teenage parents, would they have to go ? If they don't, what's to stop a bunch of teens getting women pregnant in order to avoid the draft.

* Would women have to serve to serve ? I hope they at least have non-combat roles to make things even. I'm sure the boys serving in the military could use a moist vagina every now and then :D BTW, I have 100:1 odds that feminine groups will not really do much

* Do any of you really think having a draft will reduce coflicts ? I doubt it

* Do any of you really believe the male kids of the rich and powerful are going to serve as grunts like Rangel does ? I seriously doubt it. I got 20:1 odds saying they will serve in non-combat roles if at all.

* How do you stop draft dodgers ? I can see a rise in illegal immigration of American teens to Canada and Mexico of all places LOL.

* How much money will a draftee make ? Will it be tax free $$$ ? Will it be better then $10 an hour because teens can make that in most part-time places w/out a problem. Think of the monetary costs we have to account for if there is a SUPER large military and there is no war. The next solution would be to increase our taxes in order to pay this off

- If you ask me, he seems like another pie in the skye idealist that thinks this will be a great solution to the problems, but in reality it can cause more problems. This proposal probably doesn't get approved because it's got a bunch of holes in it and when you're forcing people to sacrifice 2 years of their life

- IF I sound reasonable elect me in '08, I'll give free anabolic steroids to the first 25,000 bbers who vote for me :D
 
And he's also put this up for several tried and has been voted down by a HUUUGE margine. I think ther should be a min. service time for everyone. Whether it be in the military or at a soup kitchen etc. 2-3 years of service would have a great benefit...I think.
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I think in theory that *could* be a good idea if graft and corruption were non existant in American politics, and that's a pipe dream. Come on - does this guy really think that a wealthy politician's son or daughter is going to be sent to active duty? They'll end up home in the guard, and the middle class family's kids will be sent to fight.

Look at Vietnam, look at our President - money talks and bull**** runs the marathon.

I think our country's military should remain voluntary, and our government should choose our battles wisely so that Americans want to fight on behalf of their country.

Forcing a draft so that politician's think twice about starting wars? Howabout a new law that forces politicians to make the average American salaray (~$25,000/yr) during wartime? THAT will make them think twice.

BV
 
BigVrunga said:
I think in theory that *could* be a good idea if graft and corruption were non existant in American politics, and that's a pipe dream. Come on - does this guy really think that a wealthy politician's son or daughter is going to be sent to active duty? They'll end up home in the guard, and the middle class family's kids will be sent to fight.

Look at Vietnam, look at our President - money talks and bull**** runs the marathon.

I think our country's military should remain voluntary, and our government should choose our battles wisely so that Americans want to fight on behalf of their country.

Forcing a draft so that politician's think twice about starting wars? Howabout a new law that forces politicians to make the average American salaray (~$25,000/yr) during wartime? THAT will make them think twice.
BV
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Werd up to that my friend!!!
 
I added or soup kitchen in ther for a reason folks. The time i'm proposing wouldn't have to be military. I could be in any form of gov't fed/state type of institute. I just think service to the country should be mandatory...

* Will a military of draftees do better then a volunteer military ?
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Dunno, they could. you can't assume one way or another. With a voluntary military you end up serving the people more and with a draft type you basically aren't required to be as submissive. talk to a lot of old timers and they will look at the way things have become as a shame. Although, that can probably said with a lot of things that change over time.

* Will we use the draft long term or just for war emergencies ? What if there is a long period of peace and young people forced to serve could be pursuing different careers ?
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We technically have a draft in effect now. 18 year old male registration isn't just for the Publisher's Clearing House :)
* If we hypothetically don't start wars with Iran or North Korea would we really need a draft ?
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Probably not. But it's not the wars it's the occupations. We have a much higher commitment with a much smaller military and when emergencies do arise this sort of talk happens. Fund a military that can stay upsized, to a point, during non emergency times and this will probably put the talk away for a rainy day
* We have increasing numbers of teenage parents, would they have to go ? If they don't, what's to stop a bunch of teens getting women pregnant in order to avoid the draft.
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Single parents never had to go and we still have women getting pregnant to stop from going overseas much less serving in a time of war. If there's a way out then people are bound to exploit it. That isn't a reason to stop an idea because someone can find a loophole.

* Would women have to serve to serve ? I hope they at least have non-combat roles to make things even. I'm sure the boys serving in the military could use a moist vagina every now and then BTW, I have 100:1 odds that feminine groups will not really do much
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While I have seen both sides of the spectrum with female soldiers I have also seen the same with male soldiers. Females can't serve in combat MOS's right now but that doesn't mean they don't see combat. War doesn't look at their gender and job title before attacking. And I bet that moist vagina would be the last thing on your mind if **** was hitting the fan. 9times out of 10 it's the male perspective of the female that lends to the issues of males and females working together. Not the females.
* Do any of you really think having a draft will reduce coflicts ? I doubt it
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Reduce them? Nah but help supply personnel in a thinnly stretched military. Drop the draft but pay and support the military better. In which you could also increase the standards of joining.

* Do any of you really believe the male kids of the rich and powerful are going to serve as grunts like Rangel does ? I seriously doubt it. I got 20:1 odds saying they will serve in non-combat roles if at all.
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You don't have to serve as a grunt now if you really don't want to. If someone shows a high aptitude for linguistists or some other tech field why put them as a grunt? Grunts aren't going to want them there anyways. Don't Mistake infantry as some disgruntled POS bottom feeder. They are a proud section of the military with a understanding of comrade that most will never get.

* How do you stop draft dodgers ? I can see a rise in illegal immigration of American teens to Canada and Mexico of all places LOL
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If serving means you're going to jump ship then I don't want you here to begin with. Fair weather friends are not looked at with any type of admiration. Why should fair weather countrymen be? I would be willing to bet the ones who cry things like AmeriKKKa and the likes would be the first ones to bail if they had to put their money where their mouth was. good riddance.

* How much money will a draftee make ? Will it be tax free $$$ ? Will it be better then $10 an hour because teens can make that in most part-time places w/out a problem. Think of the monetary costs we have to account for if there is a SUPER large military and there is no war. The next solution would be to increase our taxes in order to pay this off
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A draftee will make what a draftee makes. There were men I knew who lost their homes after 9/11 because their civ. job paid 3-4x as much as their reserve unit paid but they served anyways because they knew that is what was required of them. maybe more people should know what this means. To sacrifice. Most of the soldier's income is tax free already. We increase taxes for the most stupid of reasons why not pay higher taxes for a military that would not bourden its civilians in times like these? Paying for increased defense as well as offense can and does get excessive but if done properly you can stretch a dollar. The problem is it's rarely done properly but that's a whole other debate.

- If you ask me, he seems like another pie in the skye idealist that thinks this will be a great solution to the problems, but in reality it can cause more problems. This proposal probably doesn't get approved because it's got a bunch of holes in it and when you're forcing people to sacrifice 2 years of their life
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People need to learn sacrifice for those that they don't even know. This is probably the first generation that has no understanding at all. It won't get approved because Capital hill is filled with a bunch of cowards and the majority of voters are NIMBY types. As long as it doesn't Affect them then it's okay.

- IF I sound reasonable elect me in '08, I'll give free anabolic steroids to the first 25,000 bbers who vote for me
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At this point Kerry is looking better :)
 
I added or soup kitchen in ther for a reason folks. The time i'm proposing wouldn't have to be military. I could be in any form of gov't fed/state type of institute. I just think service to the country should be mandatory...
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Well stated Jay - I definitely think that could be a good idea. There's too many young people that are so detached from the goverment - they dont vote, they have no idea what's going on around them,etc. I know, cause I was one of 'em.
 
cable626 said:
he believes it will help prevent unnecessary wars in the future.

his reasoning is that politicians will be more hesitant to go to war if they knew that any civilian could be drafted to fight and maybe die.
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He is an idiot. The only modern example of this is the Vietnam war and more than 20 times as many dead and wounded on our side and many more on the Vietnamese side were necessary before any supposed political deterance factor kicked in to stop the war. He is advocating nothing short of forced servitude (slavery in other words) and murder to make a political point. The rich and politically connected will find a way for their kids to avoid service as always. He is saying we are going to limit the government's ability to send young people to die in wars by giving the government more power to force young people to go die in wars. He is an idiot, a scumbag and deserves nothing less than to have his balls handed to him next election cycle for this ****, whatever its actual chances of getting enacted into law. Someone who thinks like this should not be allowed in a position of power. Someone so disconnected from the past to realize that the very reason our government was not given access to a permanent standing army was because it increases the likelihood of war should not be in a position of power.
 
There is still a draft guys just not one that can be casually enacted. For the record most people in capital hill are dumb ****s completely detached.
 
i can see the idea that the draft will make people more hesitant to go to war, but like many have already mentioned, i believe that that theory would only work in an ideal nation (which america is not...).

as cdb mentioned about vietnam.... i believe that history has a wealth of applicable information. though the past is not a fool proof way of running modern government, it still offers great insight to current dilemmas..

I believe that many of todays youth (my age group....) do not keep up with the important that are happening today. Instead of focusing the new generation on matters of importance, education is being placed on so much stupid crap such as homosexual history, muslim religion , etc.... in public education, when we should be educating people about money management, REAL world issues........ i just wish i had more time to really keep up on things.....there is so much i would love to educate myself on and no time to do it like i used to :( . i miss my geek time.....






i would never make my kwyck "fall"......cough cough....
 
There's enough people serving that cannot stand being in the military as it is, and they are annoying as hell.

The military is way overstretched, though. I've got a buddy asking me questions because he's thinking about joining. He's got this ramnticized view of the army and wants to do infantry/combat arms. I sat and thought about it and realized that an active duty field unit is ona year on/year off rotation. The year that they are actually home is cut down at least three months by time spent in the field and at NTC or JRTC. That equates to 9 months out of every 2 years not in the field or deployed tops. Freaking rediculous, but a draft is not the answer.
 
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