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cel's new td formestane/xtren+some goodies[sponsored]

WhatsaRoid? said:
Great log I was thinking of purchasing a lot of what you have used and from reading this thread I'm going to go ahead and purchase them. Thanks and reps
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i think you will like them. i had almost zero sides on this cycle, and pct is going real well. no prolactin/estrogen sides that i was fearful of, bp is back to normal and libido is through the roof. i've lost a few pounds in pct but muscles are harder bf% is down and strength is still climbing. for the results i got this was a mild cycle in terms of sides.
 
just got done still reading through this i love the pct route your running

my day starts at night as well 12-am-8 am but only for a few more weeks ( military) then im back to normal so i fell ya on the overnight stuff
 
Outside Backer said:
just got done still reading through this i love the pct route your running

my day starts at night as well 12-am-8 am but only for a few more weeks ( military) then im back to normal so i fell ya on the overnight stuff
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i am used to 3rd shift, been doing it for years but 12 hours is a long haul. did bridge watch team for couple of years in the navy-4 on 4 off, that was kind rough, so i feel ya on the military thing.
 
thebigt said:
i think you will like them. i had almost zero sides on this cycle, and pct is going real well. no prolactin/estrogen sides that i was fearful of, bp is back to normal and libido is through the roof. i've lost a few pounds in pct but muscles are harder bf% is down and strength is still climbing. for the results i got this was a mild cycle in terms of sides.
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that description is real close to what I'm experiencing so far in my Pmag pct. BP is already almost back to normal, no nipple repurcussions to this point, and workouts are just as productive. We got lucky on these compounds brotha :cheers:
 
celc5 said:
that description is real close to what I'm experiencing so far in my Pmag pct. BP is already almost back to normal, no nipple repurcussions to this point, and workouts are just as productive. We got lucky on these compounds brotha :cheers:
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you betcha. my suggestions for running xtren are cycle assist/td formestane/generic vitex, none of the problems i've seen reported by others running tren products.
 
Tren at 5caps a day is "beastin'", I don't care what brand it is. Good 4u you didn't get any sides. I refuse to go over 90mgs, on tren, again regardless of brand.
 
eazy910 said:
Tren at 5caps a day is "beastin'", I don't care what brand it is. Good 4u you didn't get any sides. I refuse to go over 90mgs, on tren, again regardless of brand.
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yeah, i was pushing it-don't recommend it. would have rather stayed at 4=120mg, and finished out the week. by the time i stopped cycle i had bad lethargy and was working 12 hour shifts at work. believe it or not i preloaded cel's td formestane for about 10 days and used 2 pumps 2xday on cycle-still had libido at end of cycle even at 5 caps or 150mg!!! btw libido has very much recovered in pct and i am feeling great.
 
eazy910 said:
Tren at 5caps a day is "beastin'", I don't care what brand it is. Good 4u you didn't get any sides. I refuse to go over 90mgs, on tren, again regardless of brand.
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Well there's at least 3 types of trens avialable right now. So, that might be a bit of narrow minded approach don't you think?
 
celc5 said:
Well there's at least 3 types of trens avialable right now. So, that might be a bit of narrow minded approach don't you think?
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no, actually he is right, 3 caps or 90mg should be plenty. i was having no bad sides so i upped the dose, but in hindsight 90mg was plenty. sides such as lethargy became an issue at 5 caps. xtren is same as the more expensive extreme tren or tren extreme, all very potent ph's, imo. i credit pre-loading td formestane and running it on cycle along with vitex for my smooth recovery. pct was only difficult for first couple of days-recovering from lethargy. everything is good, libido is fully recovered, up 5 pounds and still appear much leaner, and strength is much improved over pre-cycle. xtren is very good for strength, with some mass and loss of bf%, but take the proper precautions and do the research before running for best results with few sides. and in my honest opinion 3 caps or 90mg is plenty.
 
Good call T :cheers:

Any stacking suggestions? I'm thinking it would work well in tried and true stacks with epithio, halo, or 14ad.
 
thebigt said:
no, actually he is right, 3 caps or 90mg should be plenty. i was having no bad sides so i upped the dose, but in hindsight 90mg was plenty. sides such as lethargy became an issue at 5 caps. xtren is same as the more expensive extreme tren or tren extreme, all very potent ph's, imo. i credit pre-loading td formestane and running it on cycle along with vitex for my smooth recovery. pct was only difficult for first couple of days-recovering from lethargy. everything is good, libido is fully recovered, up 5 pounds and still appear much leaner, and strength is much improved over pre-cycle. xtren is very good for strength, with some mass and loss of bf%, but take the proper precautions and do the research before running for best results with few sides. and in my honest opinion 3 caps or 90mg is plenty.
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Word. 90mg was dang near too much for my tiny frame. Probably why my shutdown was so harsh. By the way, TRS is doing its job.
 
celc5 said:
Good call T :cheers:

Any stacking suggestions? I'm thinking it would work well in tried and true stacks with epithio, halo, or 14ad.
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I think if you could find a stacking supplement/hormone that could keep your test at decent levels you'd have all you need to see some serious gains.

Alot of people also stack it with Epistane. I'm still debating whether or not to do this since I already have a bottle of Epi. But one thing is for sure-- next cycle WILL have a low-dose pre-loaded formestane (hopefully TD version) and Sustain Alpha the whole way thru and a crap-ton of Hawthorne Berry for bp issues. I wont ever cycle this stuff without SA and formestane ever again. In fact, I may not ever cycle anything without these two products ever again, unless of course I did Epi stand-alone since most advise to stay away from AI's and the such while on Epi/Havoc.

But one thing is for sure..you dont need Nolva for this stuff. Period. Maybe Clomid for shutdown. But if you stick with an AI and Vitex on cycle, there is no reason to have Nolva because it really doesnt give you gyno unless it is prolactin issues (hence the need for Vitex). This was my experience. Then again I dont really think I'm likely to catch the gyno like others.
 
my next xtren cycle will be xtren/hdrol/dermacrine/td formestane. and of course cycle assist and vitex.
 
thebigt said:
my next xtren cycle will be xtren/hdrol/dermacrine/td formestane. and of course cycle assist and vitex.
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I like it :thumbsup: Bnat ran a killer tren/halo cycle recently. Later on when the time comes, take a look at some of his posts. He seemed to really like it.

T, how is the smell of dermacrine? The sustain alpha smells like rotten sausage with honey mustard. If it did anything, I'd say it was worth it... but dang, glad I got it via trade and didn't dish out any cash for it :thumbsdown:
 
celc5 said:
I like it :thumbsup: Bnat ran a killer tren/halo cycle recently. Later on when the time comes, take a look at some of his posts. He seemed to really like it.

T, how is the smell of dermacrine? The sustain alpha smells like rotten sausage with honey mustard. If it did anything, I'd say it was worth it... but dang, glad I got it via trade and didn't dish out any cash for it :thumbsdown:
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didn't like the sustain? dermacrine doesn't smell that bad to me, and i think it would be a nice addition.
 
celc5 said:
I like it :thumbsup: Bnat ran a killer tren/halo cycle recently. Later on when the time comes, take a look at some of his posts. He seemed to really like it.

T, how is the smell of dermacrine? The sustain alpha smells like rotten sausage with honey mustard. If it did anything, I'd say it was worth it... but dang, glad I got it via trade and didn't dish out any cash for it :thumbsdown:
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How is halo on the sides? I might opt for that instead of Epi. Isn't Halo known for its mildness as far as sides go?
 
fueledpassion said:
How is halo on the sides? I might opt for that instead of Epi. Isn't Halo known for its mildness as far as sides go?
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IMO both are pretty good compounds and mild in terms of very little sides. I'd say halo is better for lean mass and way better for losing bf. The epithio is a bit better for strength in my experience, but I was very carb sensitive on that compound for some reason. I also think halo recovery at let's say 75mg is a bit easier than about 40mg of epithio.

thebigt said:
didn't like the sustain? dermacrine doesn't smell that bad to me, and i think it would be a nice addition.
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I think the aPCT is having more effect than the sustain. I won't be buying sustain again to be honest. The aPCT is nice, but it's certainly not hyperdrol.
 
celc5 said:
IMO both are pretty good compounds and mild in terms of very little sides. I'd say halo is better for lean mass and way better for losing bf. The epithio is a bit better for strength in my experience, but I was very carb sensitive on that compound for some reason. I also think halo recovery at let's say 75mg is a bit easier than about 40mg of epithio.



I think the aPCT is having more effect than the sustain. I won't be buying sustain again to be honest. The aPCT is nice, but it's certainly not hyperdrol.
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You know, I have a tendency to agree with that statement. TRS stack for me has been very gradual to say the least. But in it's defense it is working, just slowly. Mind you I also had a pretty harsh shutdown. If I feel like things aren't back to normal after 2 more weeks of PCT I will test my blood levels and shoot for something else to continue PCT. Any suggestions if my test isnt back into action by then? I've heard a few peeps swear by aPCT, but what about this Hyperdrol? Never considered that stuff..
 
thebigt said:
yeah, i was pushing it-don't recommend it. would have rather stayed at 4=120mg, and finished out the week. by the time i stopped cycle i had bad lethargy and was working 12 hour shifts at work. believe it or not i preloaded cel's td formestane for about 10 days and used 2 pumps 2xday on cycle-still had libido at end of cycle even at 5 caps or 150mg!!! btw libido has very much recovered in pct and i am feeling great.
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bigt: I know this thread is out dated but just read the entire log....good job on it and congrats for thinking safe.......


Had a question: were you taking all your caps at once or were you sreading it out in even intervals through out the day????

btw: now looking into getting TD FORM.....you mentioned generic vitex....is this available at NP??
 
W8TS4ME said:
bigt: I know this thread is out dated but just read the entire log....good job on it and congrats for thinking safe.......


Had a question: were you taking all your caps at once or were you sreading it out in even intervals through out the day????

btw: now looking into getting TD FORM.....you mentioned generic vitex....is this available at NP??
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definitely spread out. now brand has vitex. get the td form!
 
thebigt said:
definitely spread out. now brand has vitex. get the td form!
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Thanks T.....just received TD form a couple of days ago with T911. Read where you like to switch up the AI in pct if I read correctly???? Can you alternate the two td and t911 on cycle just to "switch it up" sorry if stupid question. Being doing 1 squirt twice a day now.....read where xtren may cause as with any other ph some shrinkage....if that may be the case would you recommend uping the td form from 1squirt 2x a day to maybe 2 squirts two times a day??? I will spread the dosage out evenly at 3 caps a day.
 
W8TS4ME said:
Thanks T.....just received TD form a couple of days ago with T911. Read where you like to switch up the AI in pct if I read correctly???? Can you alternate the two td and t911 on cycle just to "switch it up" sorry if stupid question. Being doing 1 squirt twice a day now.....read where xtren may cause as with any other ph some shrinkage....if that may be the case would you recommend uping the td form from 1squirt 2x a day to maybe 2 squirts two times a day??? I will spread the dosage out evenly at 3 caps a day.
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when i say to 'switch it up' i am referring to a different ai for on cycle and pct. i swear by td formestane for on cycle. go with 1 squirt 2xday and ramp up to 2 2xday if needed.
 
thebigt said:
when i say to 'switch it up' i am referring to a different ai for on cycle and pct. i swear by td formestane for on cycle. go with 1 squirt 2xday and ramp up to 2 2xday if needed.
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bigt thanks for the reply....have a very improtant question to ask....yesterday I worked out and felt weird during work out so I cut my workout short.....took a shower and noticed my boys were shrunk!! I upped my dose of td form to two pumps last night and will continue with this....should I UP the dose again to maybe for pumps to get the boys back???? should I order some SERM? Seems with last nights increase from one pump to two pumps the boys have somewhat made an increase but still feel suppressed and still not hanging as normal....Do I stop also the tren and go straight to pct.....just been on xtren for 1 week and form for about 4 days now.


I have on hand cycle assist, pct assist, inhibit e and the form and will be ordering some clomid or nolva....Which would be better if its suggested to use a serm clomid or nolva for xtren????
 
that is severe for just 1 week, even more so since you are using td form. how much are you dosing? i started at 3 caps to get a feel for xtren, it wasn't until i saw i wasn't going to react badly to it that i went to 4 caps, and only went to 5 caps for short time. back off to 2-3 caps and up the form to 2x2, see if you react better. btw-tren compounds are known to be highly suppressive, i used td form for around 10 days in advance of starting xtren-i was dosing at 4x2 before starting xtren.
 
W8TS4ME said:
bigt thanks for the reply....have a very improtant question to ask....yesterday I worked out and felt weird during work out so I cut my workout short.....took a shower and noticed my boys were shrunk!! I upped my dose of td form to two pumps last night and will continue with this....should I UP the dose again to maybe for pumps to get the boys back???? should I order some SERM? Seems with last nights increase from one pump to two pumps the boys have somewhat made an increase but still feel suppressed and still not hanging as normal....Do I stop also the tren and go straight to pct.....just been on xtren for 1 week and form for about 4 days now.


I have on hand cycle assist, pct assist, inhibit e and the form and will be ordering some clomid or nolva....Which would be better if its suggested to use a serm clomid or nolva for xtren????
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What exactly are you using and at what exact dosages?

It seems very strange that you are experiencing that that quickly. Please elaborate on 'feeling weird'.

If you stop at only a week in, I dont think a SERM is needed at all, especially if continueing on the Form and/using Inhibit-E.
 
CompEdgeLabs said:
What exactly are you using and at what exact dosages?

It seems very strange that you are experiencing that that quickly. Please elaborate on 'feeling weird'.

If you stop at only a week in, I dont think a SERM is needed at all, especially if continueing on the Form and/using Inhibit-E.
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there you go, information from the expert. this is what makes cel such a great company.:drillsergeant:
 
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