Carb Cycling
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T-Bone
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It certainly doesn't take 3 months. You will switch over after seven days at 30 carbs or less per day. You are better off going the full 12 days that are recommended though.
celc5
Well-known member
I agree. I think this is a completely seperate pathway apart from carb metabolism. It's not clear to me if this would be beneficial OR counterproductive in terms of the AD though.
I just have this recurring concept in my head that something to the effect of "why would I want to convert proteins or bcaa to energy?" This just seems like a waste for energy rather than for anabolism.
I have a had time justifying bcaa use in any diet because of that train of thought.
T-Bone
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You are not gonna convert BCAA to energy on the Metabolic Diet. You are burning fat rather than carbs on the Metabolic Diet, so burning protein for fuel really isn't a concern. The whole concept behind the diet is that you are burning fat, both body fat and dietary fat. You switch from a carb/sugar burning metabolism to a fat burner.
skunkman
Member
On the huge thread over at T-Nation some of the members were proclaiming that it could take up to three months to become fully adapted. I do not know there backgrounds but it sort of makes sense.
I do not have any scientific evidence behind this but some of the gents were complaining about how there energy was not stable even after several weeks on the diet. Then the answer was to tough it out until everything stabilized. If things did not improve then adjustments were to be made.
I do believe that you can be fat adapted after 12 days or sooner but your hormones may not be humming along at the levels that DiPasquale talks about in his book.
Hence the reason I am not going to drop calories so low after only being on the diet for 12 days. It seems detrimental to my goals of being huge and lean.
T-Bone
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Well, exactly. I have been on the diet for years and have read the book and also talked personally with the creator of the diet. I believe what I read in the book, and what the good Dr. has told me, not what I read on a message board. I prefer to get my information directly from the horses mouth and not indirectly from an unreliable third party.
skunkman
Member
I was not trying to disprove anything as far as the time it takes to be adapted. Merely trying to spark some discussion.
I love this way of eating and hope to reach my goals more efficiently by eating this way. I have lost 2lbs since starting and my strength is still going up. I look and feel stronger.
The Dr. does not really talk about the time frame it takes to become fully adapted in the original version. I believe that i remember Disk Hoss talking about people who started out with the 5/2 phase and them taking up to 4 weeks to start humming along.
Was it because of the above that DiPasquale changed this in the Metabolic Diet by having a 12 day intro? To ensure that the are fat burners?
Could it be the case that people who are taking a long time to feel normal are not following the diet as Rx'ed? Or they are not as in tune with their bodies?
I seem to have had excellent energy up until the last 3 days. Today i started my first CHO up and feel really good. I am concentrating on Complex CHO and a few fruits.
I am sorry if my anecdotal evidence is contrary to what has been proven. I just started learning about this after Botch posted the link to that T-Nation thread.
Thank You Botch. Awesome read.
I love this way of eating and hope to reach my goals more efficiently by eating this way. I have lost 2lbs since starting and my strength is still going up. I look and feel stronger.
The Dr. does not really talk about the time frame it takes to become fully adapted in the original version. I believe that i remember Disk Hoss talking about people who started out with the 5/2 phase and them taking up to 4 weeks to start humming along.
Was it because of the above that DiPasquale changed this in the Metabolic Diet by having a 12 day intro? To ensure that the are fat burners?
Could it be the case that people who are taking a long time to feel normal are not following the diet as Rx'ed? Or they are not as in tune with their bodies?
I seem to have had excellent energy up until the last 3 days. Today i started my first CHO up and feel really good. I am concentrating on Complex CHO and a few fruits.
I am sorry if my anecdotal evidence is contrary to what has been proven. I just started learning about this after Botch posted the link to that T-Nation thread.
Thank You Botch. Awesome read.
T-Bone
Banned
The new version is called "The Metabolic Diet". It has a lot more information in it then the book he wrote in '94...Here is a troubleshooting guide,
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This diet is much more complex than you think. It can't be followed correctly unless you have the book yourself.
Botch
Active member
T-Bone, I do believe there is some merit to this statement about full adaptation taking such a long time. I'm sure once you make the metabolic switch you can say you are "adapted" but how efficiently are you using dietary fat and tryglycerides for fuel after the initial 12 days compared to someone who has been on the diet for 6 months? I would guess probably not so much. Dr. Di Pas's own research has shown this to be the case. I can probably dig up a quote from the good Dr. himself in another thread which talks about this. And I must say that the thread on T-nation is not an unreliable third party as long as you derive the important posts from vets of the diet such as yourself who have been on the diet for over 10 years and who also talk to Dr. Di Pasquale and get their information directly from the horses mouth.