Glutathione injections is the way to go.
Are you serious? It just standing your ground now?Exclusive: Pressed by Trump, U.S. pushed unproven coronavirus treatment guidance
No, he's quoted. It's dangerous to go on national television and tout this to people.
I would say this about anyone doing so.
I provided a quote, and a response by the Pres. of the AMA.
I'm sorry, you seem upset and tangental regarding my support for legalizing all drugs, and are using my words as such to show it's ok for the President of the United States to say it's ok to take them to treat a condition it was not tested for. There is a vast difference in meaning.
I wanted to use Marijuana for my mother and father's cancer so they could stop taking the Morphine which was causing horrible side effects and a quality of life that was unacceptable, and it was prescribed by Doctors. Again, a big difference.
We are in a pandemic, and it's a serious problem that requires serious people.
It's clear I think the President is a reckless and selfish person that has not once done anything without some sort of angle to profit himself, and it is also my opinion he is pushing this drug for selfish reasons. He doesn't care about life and death because he is a Malignant Narcissist. Not capable of empathy.
Why can't you see it is what troubles me more?
He deserved to be impeached and removed from office. The evidence was clear and the GOP failed their oath.
Edit.
I think Pence would have done the right thing! Early, and we'd probably be in a better place.
I typically stay out of all this political stuff, and so that’s not my angle in this post, but some of your posts just come off as hateful and not helpful. I think we all want what’s best for our country and it’s people, so can’t we just figure that out without trash talking or name calling?Exclusive: Pressed by Trump, U.S. pushed unproven coronavirus treatment guidance
No, he's quoted. It's dangerous to go on national television and tout this to people.
I would say this about anyone doing so.
I provided a quote, and a response by the Pres. of the AMA.
I'm sorry, you seem upset and tangental regarding my support for legalizing all drugs, and are using my words as such to show it's ok for the President of the United States to say it's ok to take them to treat a condition it was not tested for. There is a vast difference in meaning.
I wanted to use Marijuana for my mother and father's cancer so they could stop taking the Morphine which was causing horrible side effects and a quality of life that was unacceptable, and it was prescribed by Doctors. Again, a big difference.
We are in a pandemic, and it's a serious problem that requires serious people.
It's clear I think the President is a reckless and selfish person that has not once done anything without some sort of angle to profit himself, and it is also my opinion he is pushing this drug for selfish reasons. He doesn't care about life and death because he is a Malignant Narcissist. Not capable of empathy.
Why can't you see it is what troubles me more?
He deserved to be impeached and removed from office. The evidence was clear and the GOP failed their oath.
Edit.
I think Pence would have done the right thing! Early, and we'd probably be in a better place.
Wow,My cousin is recovering from corona, felt like death for 10-12 days but feeling a lot better now and recover more for every day. He’s 40, in great shape, eats well and working out a lot, but, he runs a nightclub in Miami...
Social distances is the best way to avoid getting sick, so guys, please be careful and avoid contact with other ppl as much as you can. Stay safe!
What does TDS mean?HCQ is a malaria drug primarily (also used for Lupus and other autoimmune diseases) for decades and millions of doses. All drug have side effects but this is a well studied and tolerated drug. The course is 5 days for Covid at fairly low doses. But the leftists, TDS’ers will bash it because of Trump. Sick stuff to be honest. I see this crap all over Reddit and the /coronavirus thread has turned into /politics (which is all TDS’ers)....its a sad state of affairs.
Trump derangement syndrome. Like most things, it applies to some people, but is now overused when somebody can't debate a subject and just yell TDS instead. It's the same as calling everybody that disagrees with you racist or a nazi online.What does TDS mean?
I agree with you, but the President really needs to clarify that people should trust and work with their physicians. There are a lot of people that trust the President more than medical experts, so they're going to turn to other ways to access the drug if their doctor tells them that they either don't have COVID-19 or the drug isn't right for them. We've already seen it in this forum where people will set up online loopholes to get the drug without the correct medical supervision and that's where trouble can occur. Personally I'm fine with people taking whatever they want and the consequences are on them, but these aren't people that are going to typically search for scientific data to backup their choice.But how do you take the stance all drugs should be legal and then bash a president for pushing an unproven treatment that SCIENTISTS have proposed will work - to be used by doctors (per your article - he is pushing HEALTH OFFICIALS to make it available). By your logic and mine, we should all have access anyway so what is the harm in Trump making it more accessible to professionals?
Still working on this, but find myself thinking it through in my head a lot lately then just moving on.And I absolutely agree with what GreenMachineX posted in that people should ask themselves 'Is what I'm about to post actually helpful?'. I've always tried to ask myself that before posting ever since I've been a member here (10+ years).
Thank you for calling me level headed and I appreciate that - but I will also admit I've gone too far at times too. No one is perfect, I get that.I typically stay out of all this political stuff, and so that’s not my angle in this post, but some of your posts just come off as hateful and not helpful. I think we all want what’s best for our country and it’s people, so can’t we just figure that out without trash talking or name calling?
And this goes for everyone. Both sides come off as hateful while digging there heels in against the opposite group regardless of issue (except HIT4ME, maybe a few others but HIT4ME is always level headed that I’ve seen).
If we all could make an agreement to truly ask ourselves “is what I’m about to post actually helpful?” before we post, we might be able to see the opposite person’s point of view a little clearer and actually accomplish something.
Dang. You agree with me? That's not even any fun! haha.I agree with you, but the President really needs to clarify that people should trust and work with their physicians. There are a lot of people that trust the President more than medical experts, so they're going to turn to other ways to access the drug if their doctor tells them that they either don't have COVID-19 or the drug isn't right for them. We've already seen it in this forum where people will set up online loopholes to get the drug without the correct medical supervision and that's where trouble can occur. Personally I'm fine with people taking whatever they want and the consequences are on them, but these aren't people that are going to typically search for scientific data to backup their choice.
You are probably better than I am. GreenmachineX raises an excellent point and I have tried to practice this as well, but practice is the key word. I could be a lot better too. I have had times where I have typed out really long posts and then realized...what's the point? Which is one of the benefits of me being so long winded - it takes me enough time to write a post that sometimes it's just long enough for me to realize it isn't necessary. But...I'm pretty slow other times. haha.Still working on this, but find myself thinking it through in my head a lot lately then just moving on.
Good stuff but painful, expensive and prob hard to find right nowGlutathione injections is the way to go.
This is a supplement site so nothing new on that frontI laugh seeing how the abuse of supplements, lol , now carries over to crazy pointless dosing of vitamins. That is the entertainment, not the politics.
Please describe the abuse of vitamins you see in here...I laugh seeing how the abuse of supplements, lol , now carries over to crazy pointless dosing of vitamins. That is the entertainment, not the politics.
Thank you for calling me level headed and I appreciate that - but I will also admit I've gone too far at times too. No one is perfect, I get that.
And I'm not trying to bash Justhere4comm - I DO value his input and he has had some really helpful stuff he has posted on here. He seems to me to be a very caring person and while we are on opposite ends of the political spectrum - that's cool. It's good to have those discussions and people disagreeing is fine.
But it just boils down to blaming and hating Trump - and I am hoping he can see that.
I mean, the main point here is I was trying to point out that Hydroxychloroquine may not be working. This isn't an idea that Trump came up with. It Still, I don't think he means that every post has to have meaning - some of the benefit of this board is the brotherhood and just being able to talk.
Are you referring to the vitamin C megadosing and getting vitamin D levels optimal?I laugh seeing how the abuse of supplements, lol , now carries over to crazy pointless dosing of vitamins. That is the entertainment, not the politics.
He certainly can't be talking about Vitamin D - it's not a vitamin...so we can eliminate that from his targets.Are you referring to the vitamin C megadosing and getting vitamin D levels optimal?
I don't think it hurts. I been on it since November. It's the best for your liver. Combined with B complex and MIC and I have an iron liver. LolGood stuff but painful, expensive and prob hard to find right now
Guess I don't get the joke. People in a supp forum talking supps haha? What's your plan doc?I realize supplement site that is why I laugh. I love the supplements as much as anyone. Carry on with your regiment if that keeps you feeling safer.
Actually, using that logic, science has shown that obesity and diabetes aren't the main or obvious issues either. Contact with the virus is.Actually science has not shown a healthy immune system to be the main problem. It is underlying health conditions and age. The obvious issues being obesity and diabetes. Unfortunately carrying alot of muscle mass is also a concern. The younger patients that have been very sick or died by me appear to be juiced up. I'm in south Florida.
Ummm, you missed something I think...hahaThank you for bringing that logic to the table. You are correct life span for either obese/ diabetic/ juice head is lower regardless of virus.
I do not think anyone is even taking about health lifestyle and choices. Whole point I have always enjoyed the posts of check out my supplement stash, now it has become check out my vitamin/ mineral/ greens/ probiotic stash. Having fun, I want everyone to be safe and return to normalcy. Maybe sitting here being thankful as a exercise physiologist I did not go the hospital route. But thankful for those on the healthcare team.So diet, exercise and healthy choices increase your chances for favourable outcomes but yet you find it funny people are discussing how to improve those odds?
Go for it!Its funny you go on vacation to a tropical environment with mosquitoes and your doctor prescribes you hydroxycloriquine, but if your dying of COVID-19 its dangerous and reckless to take it. Pathetic
Your doing it again man. You want Trump to take the medicine for lethal side effects? Seriously?Go for it!
I'm all for anyone that wants to take it, should be able to take it.
Trump should take it, he's the President and should protect himself right?
Ignore this.
The Side Effects of Chloroquine and Hydroxychloroquine
There is newfound interest in chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine because of their potential to treat coronavirus disease of 2019 (COVID-19),www.poison.org
You've helped me make my point.Your doing it again man. You want Trump to take the medicine for lethal side effects? Seriously?
Just stop being snotty man. Your delivery on most of your posts is terrible and just causes others to throw up defenses. I know your intelligent, and I know you know it doesn’t work. Do you want people to see your point of view? If so, then don’t insinuate for the president to take a medicine and have lethal side effects as an example. Again, ask yourself if what your about to post is helpful. Banter is one thing, your choices are something different.You've helped me make my point.
No. I don't want anyone to take it.
I support anyone who wants to however.
Down vote me all you want. You guys realize that doesn't mean anything right?
Funny, but posters like 567 don't even raise your eyebrows... 'pathetic'.Just stop being snotty man. Your delivery on most of your posts is terrible and just causes others to throw up defenses. I know your intelligent, and I know you know it doesn’t work. Do you want people to see your point of view? If so, then don’t insinuate for the president to take a medicine and have lethal side effects as an example. Again, ask yourself if what your about to post is helpful. Banter is one thing, your choices are something different.
Actually, his post is along the same lines and not helpful either, but he’s not talking about having a man die by taking a drug. Do you not see the difference?Funny, but posters like 567 don't even raise your eyebrows... 'pathetic'.
I, on the other hand seem to attract the intense ire. (Mob rules I guess).
I've made it more than clear, I don't want anyone taking a drug that may kill them.Actually, his post is along the same lines and not helpful either, but he’s not talking about having a man die by taking a drug. Do you not see the difference?
Do you really need me to call out everyone who posted an inappropriate post? Well, that’s me too! I’ve posted horrible things over the years, tons of things that weren’t helpful and even hurtful. But there’s also another difference. Your voice is louder, and you have far more posts around here than him. So, again, I’ll ask, do you want any of us to see your point of view?
That ascorbic acid discussion link also mentions that quercetin might mess up ascorbic acid effectiveness. I found this:@justhere4comm Not sidestepping nor painting a picture; that was truly how your post came off (or how I misinterpreted). Not that I believe you really wanted him dead, but it came off pretty rough and the after post just seemed like coverup, and if I’m wrong about that, I apologize.
Moving on to this...
COVID-19, ARDS & Cell-Free Hemoglobin - The Ascorbic Acid Connection - EvolutaMente.it
Ascorbic acid can prevent ARDS in COVID-19 patients by maintaining stable heme, reducing cell-free hemoglobin better than chloroquine without side effectswww.evolutamente.it
and...
Covid-19 had us all fooled, but now we might have finally found its secret.
In the last 3–5 days, a mountain of anecdotal evidence has come out of NYC, Italy, Spain, etc. about COVID-19 and characteristics of…web.archive.org
I haven’t finished the first link, but the discussions about ascorbic acid are very interesting. The second discusses that maybe more red blood cells are the answer, but better for everyone to read themselves so I don’t misquote.
Also calling @HIT4ME
I don't believe that study has a relationship to mega dosing Vitamin C, but if one is a healthy rat; non-diabetic, then it may be more advisable to take the vitamin C on an empty stomach, and an hour or so before any supplementation with quercetin.That ascorbic acid discussion link also mentions that quercetin might mess up ascorbic acid effectiveness. I found this:
Am I reading this right, that quercetin might in fact be a negative for megadosing vitamin C?Flavonoid inhibition of sodium-dependent vitamin C transporter 1 (SVCT1) and glucose transporter isoform 2 (GLUT2), intestinal transporters for vitamin C and Glucose - PubMed
Vitamin C and flavonoids, polyphenols with uncertain function, are abundant in fruits and vegetables. We postulated that flavonoids have a novel regulatory action of delaying or inhibiting absorption of vitamin C and glucose, which are structurally similar. From six structural classes of...pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
When the serology tests are finished and the infected ends up being in the millions you will see the death rate drop big time. A good chunk of the deaths classified as Corona deaths are from other causes but because the person tested positive that is counted.I hope they come up with something promising soon because the mortality rate in the USA
I've sen it go to 2.4 to 2.7, and now 3.2% with 400k infected and 12,800 deaths. This entire
stay at home process appears to be taking it's own toll on many.
What exactly did he say?What about the Lupus expert, Dr. Daniel Wallace...he says the drug is safe...s
So why should we listen to the liberal media CNN, MSNBC, and all those clowns..?
That's the video I found too and isn't him saying it's safe. We don't know the safety because the trials haven't been run yet. It also takes a proven medication away from lupus patients, which Dr. Wallace did comment on:
As always, I hope your wife continues to be well and stays safe brother.I've made it more than clear, I don't want anyone taking a drug that may kill them.
That was my point, which you seem to be side-stepping in order to paint some kind of point.
I was responding to someone that could not care less about my post.
A secondary realization here is: I'm the only voice here saying something contrary to popular opinion. Stockpiling the drug by the government seems a bit pretentious and rushed. Why?
In a tertiary realization, my wife just expressed her hospital is in trials for that; another drug; and the plasma replacement therapy which is more promising than any drug treatment. She's in charge of administering tests and results for the area.
Maybe my emotions are a bit wound up as well because I constantly worry for her.
I'm not sure. A little sensitive as you are I'm sure, along with others in here.
Let's just leave it at that for now.
Regards
-M
I haven't had enough time to dig into the first one but the second study was linked on another thread and it seems to be entirely conjecture with no references, etc. It is interesting and who knows if it is right or wrong - but it is hypothesis with no evidence that I am aware of.@justhere4comm Not sidestepping nor painting a picture; that was truly how your post came off (or how I misinterpreted). Not that I believe you really wanted him dead, but it came off pretty rough and the after post just seemed like coverup, and if I’m wrong about that, I apologize.
Moving on to this...
COVID-19, ARDS & Cell-Free Hemoglobin - The Ascorbic Acid Connection - EvolutaMente.it
Ascorbic acid can prevent ARDS in COVID-19 patients by maintaining stable heme, reducing cell-free hemoglobin better than chloroquine without side effectswww.evolutamente.it
and...
Covid-19 had us all fooled, but now we might have finally found its secret.
In the last 3–5 days, a mountain of anecdotal evidence has come out of NYC, Italy, Spain, etc. about COVID-19 and characteristics of…web.archive.org
I haven’t finished the first link, but the discussions about ascorbic acid are very interesting. The second discusses that maybe more red blood cells are the answer, but better for everyone to read themselves so I don’t misquote.
Also calling @HIT4ME
Yeah, it does seem like we in the US are getting hit hard, which is one thing to hypothesize before it happens when you see the risks, but to see it actually happening is sobering.There are cardiac sides that are considered too dangerous for seriously ill patients.
A small trial finds that hydroxychloroquine is not effective for treating coronavirus. (April 3)
A small trial finds that hydroxychloroquine is not effective for treating coronavirus
The president promoted the combination of hydroxychloroquine and an antibiotic for treating COVID-19. But a new study suggests it provides no benefits.theconversation.com
Coronavirus: "we have already had to stop treatment" of hydroxychloroquine-azithromycin at the CHU in Nice
(April 7)
Coronavirus: "nous avons déjà dû interrompre le traitement" de hydroxychloroquine-azithromycine au CHU de Nice
Le CHU de Nice, comme d’autres établissements, teste l’association hydroxychloroquine-azithromycine, chez des patients hospitalisés avec des formes sévères de Covid-19. Comment ces patients sont-ils suivis d’un point de vue cardiologique? "Nous avons mis en place une méthode de surveillance 7/7 etwww.nicematin.com
Professor Émile Ferrari heads the cardiology department at the Pasteur hospital in Nice. He returned to the hydroxychloroquine-azithromycin association in the context of severe forms of Covid-19.
The CHU de Nice, like other establishments, is testing the hydroxychloroquine-azithromycin combination in patients hospitalized with severe forms of Covid-19. How are these patients followed from a cardiological point of view?
"We have set up a 7/7 and H24 monitoring method; all the Covid sectors of the Nice University Hospital send us the patient's ECG [electrocardiogram, ed] recordings. We interpret them live and report anomalies to them which predispose to toxicity. And which then require a cessation of treatment. "
Has this ever happened?
"Yes, from the start of the trial. Thanks to this ECG follow-up, we highlighted the major risks of a very serious accident in a patient, and the treatment was immediately stopped."
How is this toxic risk on the heart explained?
"The cells of the heart have a spontaneous electrical activity, which makes it possible to generate the cardiac contraction. This activation happens a little like an alternating current with a phase of contraction and a phase of recovery. These phases are ordered and successive. or certain conditions can desynchronize these phases. It can then cause chaos, a big disorder in the electric current of the cells of the heart with a risk of "short circuit"; the heart rate is racing, it is disordered, which does not allows the heart muscle to be more efficient. The subsequent drop in blood flow then causes dizziness, malaise, syncope ... up to cardiac arrest which are the translation of serious arrhythmias. "
Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin are widely prescribed despite these risks ...
"When hydroxychloroquine is given on its own, the cardiac risk is very low. On the other hand, the antibiotic (azithromycin) which is systematically prescribed in combination with hydroxychloroquine in the anti-Covid protocol also favors these anomalies. The cardiological risk is then potentiated, a fortiori, if there are other associated drugs which have the same undesirable effect, if the oxygenation of the blood is not done well or even if the potassium in the blood is low. Also, these drugs, if prescribed, must be with a monitoring of the ECG at D0 and D2 minimum. "
Your personal opinion on this cocktail?
"It is true that Covid-19 kills, but the remedy should not be more harmful than the disease itself in patients whose spontaneous evolution is favorable and in particular in ambulatory patients."
Pr Emile Ferrari, head of the cardiology department of the Nice University Hospital. Photo DR
Who to believe?
hydroxychloroquine is made by a small pharma company in France.
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I hope they come up with something promising soon because the mortality rate in the USA
I've sen it go to 2.4 to 2.7, and now 3.2% with 400k infected and 12,800 deaths. This entire
stay at home process appears to be taking it's own toll on many.
This is interesting but I am not sure we can draw too much from it for actual use - once vitamin C is absorbed it gets quickly metabolized. Being a non-competitive inhibitor, perhaps the slowed absorption would actually create a longer presence in circulation because it slows metabolism. But this is just me trying to come up with good and bad...I would have to find more studies if they exist. It could be good or bad though ultimately. Interesting enough that I will try to research it as I have time.That ascorbic acid discussion link also mentions that quercetin might mess up ascorbic acid effectiveness. I found this:
Am I reading this right, that quercetin might in fact be a negative for megadosing vitamin C?Flavonoid inhibition of sodium-dependent vitamin C transporter 1 (SVCT1) and glucose transporter isoform 2 (GLUT2), intestinal transporters for vitamin C and Glucose - PubMed
Vitamin C and flavonoids, polyphenols with uncertain function, are abundant in fruits and vegetables. We postulated that flavonoids have a novel regulatory action of delaying or inhibiting absorption of vitamin C and glucose, which are structurally similar. From six structural classes of...pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
@HIT4ME