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My apology on the grammar and spelling. Once I get to home computer with the edited article. I will post it up....

**** tried to upload in word document but Damn you Bill Gates for Vista..DAMN YOU!!!!!
 
Stair Protocol by Jacob Geissler BA Clinical Nutrition

In the past, we been brain washed into using High glycemic carbohydrates to spike insulin. I feel into this dogmatic train of thought because it was the common place approach preached in every magazine. Skinny, fat, or dilusional, the theory of insulin spiking was gospel.

Even with a degree is clinical nutrition (which does not prepare you for performance nutrition), I feel victim to the notion that without spiking insulin you are sacrificing a key component for muscle growth and recovery.

There where 2 signicant reasons why my approach has changed and evolved. Around 3 years ago, I joined AnabolicMinds to advertise our first product cAMPHIBOLIC, and the board was run by a crazy clown named Bodo that changed my philosphy on Post workout nutrition.

I gave this opioniated clown some cash for a program and followed his protocol. I was a big advocate of nutrition from the start. I was never one to push supplements before nutrition. I understood if the end users understood nutrition. He would really love my products. Once you understand how nutrition works for you individually, you can easily decipher which supplements work.

I will take this time to Thank Bobo whoes probably playing golf somewhere...I mean trying to play golf.
The huge difference from Bobo's protocol was that fat loss became much easier without injesting sugary carbohydrates Post workout...This was a big changing point in my physique. Remember Insulin is a storage hormone and when it's present fat loss is impossible (later I will try to convince most people that want to get lean not to eat every 3 hours but that is for another time).

The second huge leap in understanding insulin and dieting was when I developed (not just I but also a great mind that rather stay behind the scenes) Anabolic Pump. Again Remember when Insulin is present you cannot lose fat. Anabolic Pump allows you to eat carbohydrates in a super efficient way that requires less insulin secretion from the pancrease. The least amount of time that insulin is present in the blood system. We have a greater opportunity to lose fat while eating carbohydrates. This is beauty of Anabolic Pump.

People are stubborn and never want to change the dieting approach but you have too. The body adapts and change sparks a new cellular enviroment. Change was to be prescirbed and researched and the only way to be truly successful is by learning BASIC nutrition...Just basic nutrition and most could learn it in a few weeks.
We know Insulin is anabolic! The most anabolic substance in the world and if we can learn to manipulate it properly, we can harness the power when needed. Insulin is an inflammatory hormone and the more the pancrease secretes to deal with large sums of carbohyrates. The more likely you will become insulin resistant and run into inflammatory conditions that can later lead to pre diabetic conditions...but that are a whole other story.


instead of a huge peak in insulin by just using simple carbohydrates and fast digesting protein that leads to a subsequent fall in insulin. We are getting a Steady-state anabolic insulin response (**** that does not even spell stair..lol) by using a combonation of fast and slow releasing proteins and carbohydrates. We are getting a constant flow of Amino Acids and glucose to the muscle cells.

The reason we do not take P-Slin 15 minutes before the shake is because we WANT the pancrease to secret insulin big time and the synergy of P-Slin, Insulin and the INTENSE workout creates a super anabolic enviroment.

Now, if you are going to Pilates class and do not want to Train like a MACHINE. Please just ignore and erease everything you just read because this protocol allows you to train like an animal and recovery at an unheard of rate (especially if your supplement cycle is top notch).

The MassMonster shake is the ULTIMATE fuel to feeding the craziet workouts. Trust me if you love to grind it out in the gym, the MassMonster shake brings training enjoyment to a new level. The pump, the recovery, the strenght gains, and the intense energy will take your training to a new level.

You will be in biology thinking of the gym. You will go to sleep just to wake and train. You will be banging your girl and thinking of squats...okay, I'm lieing about the later. Results come fast with this protcol......FAST especially if you personalize the MassMonster Shake to your liking with supplements that you know work.

MassMonster Shake-Jacob Style!

The base Plus I mix in:
-Jacked (which is a stimulant that I been using for a long time that called Y-RD along with some other goodies..You can use stimulant of choice) Or Core Zap..Cannot go wrong with either but love the addition of sulbutiamine in Zap..Great formula.
-10 grams BCAAs mixed in MassMonster shake
I will take the below 30 minutes before the gym.
-2 Prime
-3 Powerfull (not for the HGH response but PowerFULL significantly increased dopamine and works in synergy with any stimulant. The combo of PowerFULL plus a stim allows you to control your muscle contractions on different level...the best Mind muscle connection guarnateed.
-1gram 50% EGCG
-20mgs of forskolin
-100mgs 5htp

Lets harnes the Power of Insulin in a way that will keep us super insulin senstive and healthy. As I age, my focus is trying to reverse the clock and keep a youthful body and mind as I age. But there is a weird misconception in the bodybuilding world that they must eat semi unhealthy and gorge on mass amounts of food (our food system is tainted) to gain muscle. Meaning we eat calorie dense foods not nutrient dense foods.

The Stair protocol is about gaining muscle, losing fat, and staying young!

Again my disclaimer, you need to learn nutrition and how your body reacts to food to modify the programs to fit your body. I will outline my routine that can be used a guide but you must come up with your blue print.

Morning Meal (currently is my preworkout meal in the stair protocol)
-Take 1 AP Wait 15 minutes and eat 20 grams of carbohydrates from raw oats, 30 grams whey protein mix of isolate, casien, and concentrate (human development technologies..Name is escaping me at the moment).
-1 grape fruit
-Mutli vitamin-3grams fishoil-2 Prime

Why use anabolic Pump with such a low dose of Carbohydrates? I want to become carbohydrate efficient and such a low amount of carboydrates, the pancrease probably only has to spit or drizzle some insulin out. The insulin response probably close to non existant with AP and 20-30grams of carbohydrates.

This is a teaser meal to boost metabolism and get ready for the Stair shake and proceeding workout.

The MassMOnster Shake II

The base of the shake is;

-800mgs bulk Plsin
-60grams SuperCarb by Avant labs(carb content can also change and agian start low and go high but remember our goal is to Make the pancrease shot out Insulin during this time)
-60grams of Dextrose, Maltodextrin, or Waxy maize starch
-20 grams of Whey Hydroslates (but you can use isolates and remember you can adjust ratios to your liking...always best to start low than go high).
-10 grams caisen (I just use 1.5 scoop of my HDT protein which has casien and isolate and jsut add one scoop of hydroslate)
-6 grams beta Alanine

Part two Coming monday
 
QUICK SPELLCHECK


Stair Protocol by Jacob Geissler BA Clinical Nutrition

In the past, we been brain washed into using High glycemic carbohydrates to spike insulin. I feel into this dogmatic train of thought because it was the common place approach preached in every magazine. Skinny, fat, or delusional, the theory of insulin spiking was gospel.

Even with a degree is clinical nutrition (which does not prepare you for performance nutrition), I feel victim to the notion that without spiking insulin you are sacrificing a key component for muscle growth and recovery.

There where 2 significant reasons why my approach has changed and evolved. Around 3 years ago, I joined AnabolicMinds to advertise our first product cAMPHIBOLIC, and the board was run by a crazy clown named Bobo that changed my philosophy on Post workout nutrition.

I gave this opinioned clown some cash for a program and followed his protocol. I was a big advocate of nutrition from the start. I was never one to push supplements before nutrition. I understood if the end users understood nutrition. He would really love my products. Once you understand how nutrition works for you individually, you can easily decipher which supplements work.

I will take this time to Thank Bobo whose probably playing golf somewhere...I mean trying to play golf.
The huge difference from Bobo's protocol was that fat loss became much easier without ingesting sugary carbohydrates Post workout...This was a big changing point in my physique. Remember Insulin is a storage hormone and when it's present fat loss is impossible (later I will try to convince most people that want to get lean not to eat every 3 hours but that is for another time).

The second huge leap in understanding insulin and dieting was when I developed (not just I but also a great mind that rather stay behind the scenes) Anabolic Pump. Again Remember when Insulin is present you cannot lose fat. Anabolic Pump allows you to eat carbohydrates in an super efficient way that requires less insulin secretion from the pancreas. The least amount of time that insulin is present in the blood system. We have a greater opportunity to lose fat while eating carbohydrates. This is beauty of Anabolic Pump.

People are stubborn and never want to change the dieting approach but you have too. The body adapts and change sparks a new cellular environment. Change was to be prescribed and researched and the only way to be truly successful is by learning BASIC nutrition...Just basic nutrition and most could learn it in a few weeks.

We know Insulin is anabolic! The most anabolic substance in the world and if we can learn to manipulate it properly, we can harness the power when needed. Insulin is an inflammatory hormone and the more the pancreas secretes to deal with large sums of carbohydrates. The more likely you will become insulin resistant and run into inflammatory conditions that can later lead to pre diabetic conditions...but that is a whole other story.

Let’s harness the Power of Insulin in a way that will keep us super insulin sensitive and healthy. As I age, my focus is trying to reverse the clock and keep a youthful body and mind as I age. But there is a weird misconception in the bodybuilding world that they must eat semi unhealthy and gorge on mass amounts of food (our food system is tainted) to gain muscle. Meaning we eat calorie dense foods not nutrient dense foods.

The Stair protocol is about gaining muscle, losing fat, and staying young!
Again my disclaimer, you need to learn nutrition and how your body reacts to food to modify the programs to fit your body. I will outline my routine that can be used a guide but you must come up with your blue print.

Morning Meal (currently is my preworkout meal in the stair protocol)
-Take 1 AP
wait 15 minutes and eat 20 grams of carbohydrates from raw oats, 30 grams whey protein mix of isolate, casein, and concentrate(human development technologies..name is escaping me at the moment).
-1 grape fruit
-Mutli vitamin
-3grams fishoil
-2 Prime

-Why use anabolic Pump with such a low dose of Carbohydrates? I want to become carbohydrate efficient and such a low amount of carbohydrates, the pancreas probably only has to spit or drizzle some insulin out. The insulin response probably close to non existent with AP and 20-30grams of carbohydrates.

This is a teaser meal to boost metabolism and get ready for the Stair shake and proceeding workout.
The Mass Monster Shake II

The base of the shake is;

-800mgs bulk P-Slin
-60grams SuperCarb by Avant labs(carb content can also change and again start low and go high but remember our goal is to Make the pancreas shot out Insulin during this time)

-60grams of Dextrose, Maltodextrin, or Waxy maize starch

-20 grams of Whey Hydrolysate (but you can use isolates and remember you can adjust ratios to your liking...always best to start low than go high).

-10 grams casein (I just use 1.5 scoop of my HDT protein which has casein and isolate and just add one scoop of hydrolysate)

-5grams creatine monohydrate or creatine of choice

instead of a huge peak in insulin by just using simple carbohydrates and fast digesting protein that leads to a subsequent fall in insulin. We are getting a Steady-sTate Anabolic Insulin Response (**** that does not even spell stair..lol) by using a combination of fast and slow releasing proteins and carbohydrates. We are getting a constant flow of Amino Acids and glucose to the muscle cells.

The reason we do not take P-Slin 15 minutes before the shake is because we WANT the pancreas to secret insulin big time and the synergy of P-Slin, Insulin and the INTENSE workout creates a super anabolic environment.

Now, if you are going to Pilates class and do not want to Train like a MACHINE. Please just ignore and erase everything you just read because this protocol allows you to train like an animal and recovery at an unheard of rate (especially if your supplement cycle is top notch).

The MassMonster shake is the ULTIMATE fuel to feeding the craziest workouts. Trust me if you love to grind it out in the gym, the MassMonster shake brings training enjoyment to a new level. The pump, the recovery, the strength gains, and the intense energy will take your training to a new level.

You will be in biology thinking of the gym. You will go to sleep just to wake and train. You will be banging your girl and thinking of squats...okay, I'm lying about the later. Results come fast with this protocol......FAST especially if you personalize the MassMonster Shake to your liking with supplements that you know work.

MassMonster Shake-Jacob Style!--EVERYONE should personalize there MassMonster shake with a name following MassMonster....Maybe I will have a contest...

The base Plus I mix in

-Jacked (which is a stimulant that I been using for a long time that called Y-RD along with some other goodies..You can use stimulant of choice) Or Core Zap..Cannot go wrong with either but love the addition of sulbutiamine in Zap..Great formula.
-10 grams BCAAs mixed in MassMonster shake
I will take the below 30 minutes before the gym.
-2 Prime
-3 PowerFULL (not for the HGH response but PowerFULL significantly increased dopamine and works in synergy with any stimulant. The combo of PowerFULL plus a stimulant allows you to control your muscle contractions on different level...the best Mind muscle connection guaranteed.
-1gram 50% EGCG
-20mgs of forskolin
-100mgs 5htp
-6 grams Beta Alanine


Part 2 coming soon.
 
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USPLabs said:
I WILL POST THE EDITED VERSION TOMORROW..I DID NOT WANT TO BANKRUPT THE COMPANY BY NOT POSTING IT TODAY ....Deal was if I did not post EVERYONE gets free product and everyone is limitless..


Stair Protocol by Jacob Geissler BA Clinical Nutrition

In the past, we been brain washed into using High glycemic carbohydrates to spike insulin. I feel into this dogmatic train of thought because it was the common place approach preached in every magazine. Skinny, fat, or dilusional, the theory of insulin spiking was gospel.

Even with a degree is clinical nutrition(which does not prepare you for performance nutrition), I feel victim to the notion that without spiking insulin you are sacrificing a key component for muscle growth and recovery.

There where 2 signicant reasons why my approach has changed and evolved. Around 3 years ago, I joined AnabolicMinds to advertise our first product cAMPHIBOLIC, and the board was run by a crazy clown named Bodo that changed my philosphy on Post workout nutrition.

I gave this opioniated clown some cash for a program and followed his protocol. I was a big advocate of nutrition from the start. I was never one to push supplements before nutrition. I understood if the end users understood nutrition. He would really love my products. Once you understand how nutrition works for you individually, you can easily decipher which supplements work.

I will take this time to Thank Bobo whoes probably playing golf somewhere...I mean trying to play golf.
The huge difference from Bobo's protocol was that fat loss became much easier without injesting sugary carbohydrates Post workout...This was a big changing point in my physique. Remember Insulin is a storage hormone and when it's present fat loss is impossible(later I will try to convince most people that want to get lean not to eat every 3 hours but that is for another time).

The second huge leap in understanding insulin and dieting was when I developed(not just I but also a great mind that rather stay behind the scenes) Anabolic Pump. Again Remember when Insulin is present you cannot lose fat. Anabolic Pump allows you to eat carbohydrates in an super efficient way that requires less insulin secretion from the pancrease. The least amount of time that insulin is present in the blood system. We have a greater opportunity to lose fat while eating carbohydrates. This is beauty of Anabolic Pump.

People are stubborn and never want to change the dieting approach but you have too. The body adapts and change sparks an new cellular enviroment. Change was to be prescirbed and researched and the only way to be truly successful is by learning BASIC nutrition...Just basic nutrition and most could learn it in a few weeks.

We know Insulin is anabolic! The most anabolic substance in the world and if we can learn to manipulate it properly, we can harness the power when needed. Insulin is an inflammatory hormone and the more the pancrease secretes to deal with large sums of carbohyrates. The more likely you will become insulin resistant and run into inflammatory conditions that can later lead to pre diabetic conditions...but that is a whole other story.

Lets harnes the Power of Insulin in a way that will keep us super insulin senstive and healthy. As I age, My focus is trying to reverse the clock and keep a youthful body and mind as I age. But there is a weird misconception in the bodybuilding world that they must eat semi unhealthy and gorge on mass amounts of food (our food system is tainted)to gain muscle. Meaning we eat calorie dense foods not nutrient dense foods.

The Stair protocol is about gaining muscle, losing fat, and staying young!
Again my disclaimer, You need to learn nutrition and how your body reacts to food to modify the programs to fit your body. I will outline my routine that can be used a guide but you must come up with your blue print.

Morning Meal( currently is my preworkout meal in the stair protocol)
-Take 1 AP
wait 15 minutes and eat 20 grams of carbohydrates from raw oats, 30 grams whey protein mix of isolate, casien, and concentrate(human development technologies..name is escaping me at the moment).
-1 grape fruit
-Mutli vitamin
-3grams fishoil
-2 Prime

-Why use anabolic Pump with such a low dose of Carbohydrates? I want to become carbohydrate efficient and such a low amount of carboydrates, the pancrease probably only has to spit or drizzle some insulin out. The insulin response probably close to non existant with AP and 20-30grams of carbohydrates.

This is a teaser meal to boost metabolism and get ready for the Stair shake and proceeding workout.
The MassMOnster Shake II

The base of the shake is;

-800mgs bulk Plsin
-60grams SuperCarb by Avant labs(carb content can also change and agian start low and go high but remember our goal is to Make the pancrease shot out Insulin during this time)

-60grams of Dextrose, Maltodextrin, or Waxy maize starch

-20 grams of Whey Hydroslates(but you can use isolates and remember you can adjust ratios to your liking...always best to start low than go high).

-10 grams caisen(I just use 1.5 scoop of my HDT protein which has casien and isolate and jsut add one scoop of hydroslate)

-5grams creatine monohydrate or creatine of choice

instead of a huge peak in insulin by just using simple carbohydrates and fast digesting protein that leads to a subsequent fall in insulin. We are getting a Steady-state anabolic insulin response(**** that does not even spell stair..lol) by using a combonation of fast and slow releasing proteins and carbohydrates. We are getting a constant flow of Amino Acids and glucose to the muscle cells.

The reason we do not take P-Slin 15 minutes before the shake is because we WANT the pancrease to secret insulin big time and the synergy of P-Slin, Insulin and the INTENSE workout creates a super anabolic enviroment.

Now, if you are going to pilates class and do not want to Train like a MACHINE. Please just ignore and erease everything you just read because this protocol allows you to train like an animal and recovery at an unheard of rate(especially if your supplement cycle is top notch).

The MassMonster shake is the ULTIMATE fuel to feeding the craziet workouts. Trust me if you love to grind it out in the gym, the MassMonster shake brings training enjoyment to a new level. The pump, the recovery, the strenght gains, and the intense energy will take your training to a new level.

You will be in biology thinking of the gym. You will going to sleep just to wake and train. You will be banging your girl and thinking of squats...okay, I'm lieing about the later. Results come fast with this protcol......FAST especially if you personalize the MassMonster Shake to your liking with supplements that you know work.

MassMonster Shake-Jacob Style!--EVERYONE should personalize there MassMonster shake with a name following MassMonster....Maybe I will have a contest...

The base Plus I mix in

-Jacked (which is a stimulant that I been using for a long time that called Y-RD along with some other goodies..you can use stimulant of choice) Or Core Zap..cannot go wrong with either but love the addition of sulbutiamine in Zap..great formula.
-10 grams BCAAs mixed in MassMonster shake
I will take the below 30 minutes before the gym.
-2 Prime
-3 Powerfull(not for the HGH response but PowerFULL significantly increased dopamine and works in synergy with any stimulant. The combo of PowerFULL plus a stim allows you to control your muscle contractions on different level...the best Mind muscle connection guarnateed.
-1gram 50% EGCG
-20mgs of forskolin
-100mgs 5htp
-6 grams beta Alanine


Part 2 coming soon.
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Dammit! You came through!!! I was wanting some free $hit!!! lol
 
lol.

Jacob, better get up that protocol man or youll be handin out some free supersap or prime :hammer:

J/k man, these guys sure are anxious to get the new protocol though eh???

Surprising to me though given how versatile my own protocols can be and with all the different variants Ive seen posted by mullet, snag, jakelpet and tried myself, almost all of which work great.... its not like Pslin is wholly dependent on this one protocol to see effects!
 
borobulker said:
QUICK SPELLCHECK


Stair Protocol by Jacob Geissler BA Clinical Nutrition

In the past, we been brain washed into using High glycemic carbohydrates to spike insulin. I feel into this dogmatic train of thought because it was the common place approach preached in every magazine. Skinny, fat, or delusional, the theory of insulin spiking was gospel.

Even with a degree is clinical nutrition (which does not prepare you for performance nutrition), I feel victim to the notion that without spiking insulin you are sacrificing a key component for muscle growth and recovery.

There where 2 significant reasons why my approach has changed and evolved. Around 3 years ago, I joined AnabolicMinds to advertise our first product cAMPHIBOLIC, and the board was run by a crazy clown named Bobo that changed my philosophy on Post workout nutrition.

I gave this opinioned clown some cash for a program and followed his protocol. I was a big advocate of nutrition from the start. I was never one to push supplements before nutrition. I understood if the end users understood nutrition. He would really love my products. Once you understand how nutrition works for you individually, you can easily decipher which supplements work.

I will take this time to Thank Bobo whose probably playing golf somewhere...I mean trying to play golf.
The huge difference from Bobo's protocol was that fat loss became much easier without ingesting sugary carbohydrates Post workout...This was a big changing point in my physique. Remember Insulin is a storage hormone and when it's present fat loss is impossible (later I will try to convince most people that want to get lean not to eat every 3 hours but that is for another time).

The second huge leap in understanding insulin and dieting was when I developed (not just I but also a great mind that rather stay behind the scenes) Anabolic Pump. Again Remember when Insulin is present you cannot lose fat. Anabolic Pump allows you to eat carbohydrates in an super efficient way that requires less insulin secretion from the pancreas. The least amount of time that insulin is present in the blood system. We have a greater opportunity to lose fat while eating carbohydrates. This is beauty of Anabolic Pump.

People are stubborn and never want to change the dieting approach but you have too. The body adapts and change sparks a new cellular environment. Change was to be prescribed and researched and the only way to be truly successful is by learning BASIC nutrition...Just basic nutrition and most could learn it in a few weeks.

We know Insulin is anabolic! The most anabolic substance in the world and if we can learn to manipulate it properly, we can harness the power when needed. Insulin is an inflammatory hormone and the more the pancreas secretes to deal with large sums of carbohydrates. The more likely you will become insulin resistant and run into inflammatory conditions that can later lead to pre diabetic conditions...but that is a whole other story.

Let’s harness the Power of Insulin in a way that will keep us super insulin sensitive and healthy. As I age, my focus is trying to reverse the clock and keep a youthful body and mind as I age. But there is a weird misconception in the bodybuilding world that they must eat semi unhealthy and gorge on mass amounts of food (our food system is tainted) to gain muscle. Meaning we eat calorie dense foods not nutrient dense foods.

The Stair protocol is about gaining muscle, losing fat, and staying young!
Again my disclaimer, you need to learn nutrition and how your body reacts to food to modify the programs to fit your body. I will outline my routine that can be used a guide but you must come up with your blue print.

Morning Meal (currently is my preworkout meal in the stair protocol)
-Take 1 AP
wait 15 minutes and eat 20 grams of carbohydrates from raw oats, 30 grams whey protein mix of isolate, casein, and concentrate(human development technologies..name is escaping me at the moment).
-1 grape fruit
-Mutli vitamin
-3grams fishoil
-2 Prime

-Why use anabolic Pump with such a low dose of Carbohydrates? I want to become carbohydrate efficient and such a low amount of carbohydrates, the pancreas probably only has to spit or drizzle some insulin out. The insulin response probably close to non existent with AP and 20-30grams of carbohydrates.

This is a teaser meal to boost metabolism and get ready for the Stair shake and proceeding workout.
The Mass Monster Shake II

The base of the shake is;

-800mgs bulk P-Slin
-60grams SuperCarb by Avant labs(carb content can also change and again start low and go high but remember our goal is to Make the pancreas shot out Insulin during this time)

-60grams of Dextrose, Maltodextrin, or Waxy maize starch

-20 grams of Whey Hydrolysate (but you can use isolates and remember you can adjust ratios to your liking...always best to start low than go high).

-10 grams casein (I just use 1.5 scoop of my HDT protein which has casein and isolate and just add one scoop of hydrolysate)

-5grams creatine monohydrate or creatine of choice

instead of a huge peak in insulin by just using simple carbohydrates and fast digesting protein that leads to a subsequent fall in insulin. We are getting a Steady-sTate Anabolic Insulin Response (**** that does not even spell stair..lol) by using a combination of fast and slow releasing proteins and carbohydrates. We are getting a constant flow of Amino Acids and glucose to the muscle cells.

The reason we do not take P-Slin 15 minutes before the shake is because we WANT the pancreas to secret insulin big time and the synergy of P-Slin, Insulin and the INTENSE workout creates a super anabolic environment.

Now, if you are going to Pilates class and do not want to Train like a MACHINE. Please just ignore and erase everything you just read because this protocol allows you to train like an animal and recovery at an unheard of rate (especially if your supplement cycle is top notch).

The MassMonster shake is the ULTIMATE fuel to feeding the craziest workouts. Trust me if you love to grind it out in the gym, the MassMonster shake brings training enjoyment to a new level. The pump, the recovery, the strength gains, and the intense energy will take your training to a new level.

You will be in biology thinking of the gym. You will go to sleep just to wake and train. You will be banging your girl and thinking of squats...okay, I'm lying about the later. Results come fast with this protocol......FAST especially if you personalize the MassMonster Shake to your liking with supplements that you know work.

MassMonster Shake-Jacob Style!--EVERYONE should personalize there MassMonster shake with a name following MassMonster....Maybe I will have a contest...

The base Plus I mix in

-Jacked (which is a stimulant that I been using for a long time that called Y-RD along with some other goodies..You can use stimulant of choice) Or Core Zap..Cannot go wrong with either but love the addition of sulbutiamine in Zap..Great formula.
-10 grams BCAAs mixed in MassMonster shake
I will take the below 30 minutes before the gym.
-2 Prime
-3 PowerFULL (not for the HGH response but PowerFULL significantly increased dopamine and works in synergy with any stimulant. The combo of PowerFULL plus a stimulant allows you to control your muscle contractions on different level...the best Mind muscle connection guaranteed.
-1gram 50% EGCG
-20mgs of forskolin
-100mgs 5htp
-6 grams Beta Almandine


Part 2 coming soon.
Click to expand...
its 1:45am and all i want to do is make this shake and TEAR UP the gym!!!
 
USPLabs said:
I WILL POST THE EDITED VERSION TOMORROW..I DID NOT WANT TO BANKRUPT THE COMPANY BY NOT POSTING IT TODAY ....Deal was if I did not post EVERYONE gets free product and everyone is limitless..


Stair Protocol by Jacob Geissler BA Clinical Nutrition

In the past, we been brain washed into using High glycemic carbohydrates to spike insulin. I feel into this dogmatic train of thought because it was the common place approach preached in every magazine. Skinny, fat, or dilusional, the theory of insulin spiking was gospel.

Even with a degree is clinical nutrition(which does not prepare you for performance nutrition), I feel victim to the notion that without spiking insulin you are sacrificing a key component for muscle growth and recovery.

There where 2 signicant reasons why my approach has changed and evolved. Around 3 years ago, I joined AnabolicMinds to advertise our first product cAMPHIBOLIC, and the board was run by a crazy clown named Bodo that changed my philosphy on Post workout nutrition.

I gave this opioniated clown some cash for a program and followed his protocol. I was a big advocate of nutrition from the start. I was never one to push supplements before nutrition. I understood if the end users understood nutrition. He would really love my products. Once you understand how nutrition works for you individually, you can easily decipher which supplements work.

I will take this time to Thank Bobo whoes probably playing golf somewhere...I mean trying to play golf.
The huge difference from Bobo's protocol was that fat loss became much easier without injesting sugary carbohydrates Post workout...This was a big changing point in my physique. Remember Insulin is a storage hormone and when it's present fat loss is impossible(later I will try to convince most people that want to get lean not to eat every 3 hours but that is for another time).

The second huge leap in understanding insulin and dieting was when I developed(not just I but also a great mind that rather stay behind the scenes) Anabolic Pump. Again Remember when Insulin is present you cannot lose fat. Anabolic Pump allows you to eat carbohydrates in an super efficient way that requires less insulin secretion from the pancrease. The least amount of time that insulin is present in the blood system. We have a greater opportunity to lose fat while eating carbohydrates. This is beauty of Anabolic Pump.

People are stubborn and never want to change the dieting approach but you have too. The body adapts and change sparks an new cellular enviroment. Change was to be prescirbed and researched and the only way to be truly successful is by learning BASIC nutrition...Just basic nutrition and most could learn it in a few weeks.

We know Insulin is anabolic! The most anabolic substance in the world and if we can learn to manipulate it properly, we can harness the power when needed. Insulin is an inflammatory hormone and the more the pancrease secretes to deal with large sums of carbohyrates. The more likely you will become insulin resistant and run into inflammatory conditions that can later lead to pre diabetic conditions...but that is a whole other story.

Lets harnes the Power of Insulin in a way that will keep us super insulin senstive and healthy. As I age, My focus is trying to reverse the clock and keep a youthful body and mind as I age. But there is a weird misconception in the bodybuilding world that they must eat semi unhealthy and gorge on mass amounts of food (our food system is tainted)to gain muscle. Meaning we eat calorie dense foods not nutrient dense foods.

The Stair protocol is about gaining muscle, losing fat, and staying young!
Again my disclaimer, You need to learn nutrition and how your body reacts to food to modify the programs to fit your body. I will outline my routine that can be used a guide but you must come up with your blue print.

Morning Meal( currently is my preworkout meal in the stair protocol)
-Take 1 AP
wait 15 minutes and eat 20 grams of carbohydrates from raw oats, 30 grams whey protein mix of isolate, casien, and concentrate(human development technologies..name is escaping me at the moment).
-1 grape fruit
-Mutli vitamin
-3grams fishoil
-2 Prime

-Why use anabolic Pump with such a low dose of Carbohydrates? I want to become carbohydrate efficient and such a low amount of carboydrates, the pancrease probably only has to spit or drizzle some insulin out. The insulin response probably close to non existant with AP and 20-30grams of carbohydrates.

This is a teaser meal to boost metabolism and get ready for the Stair shake and proceeding workout.
The MassMOnster Shake II

The base of the shake is;

-800mgs bulk Plsin
-60grams SuperCarb by Avant labs(carb content can also change and agian start low and go high but remember our goal is to Make the pancrease shot out Insulin during this time)

-60grams of Dextrose, Maltodextrin, or Waxy maize starch

-20 grams of Whey Hydroslates(but you can use isolates and remember you can adjust ratios to your liking...always best to start low than go high).

-10 grams caisen(I just use 1.5 scoop of my HDT protein which has casien and isolate and jsut add one scoop of hydroslate)

-5grams creatine monohydrate or creatine of choice

instead of a huge peak in insulin by just using simple carbohydrates and fast digesting protein that leads to a subsequent fall in insulin. We are getting a Steady-state anabolic insulin response(**** that does not even spell stair..lol) by using a combonation of fast and slow releasing proteins and carbohydrates. We are getting a constant flow of Amino Acids and glucose to the muscle cells.

The reason we do not take P-Slin 15 minutes before the shake is because we WANT the pancrease to secret insulin big time and the synergy of P-Slin, Insulin and the INTENSE workout creates a super anabolic enviroment.

Now, if you are going to pilates class and do not want to Train like a MACHINE. Please just ignore and erease everything you just read because this protocol allows you to train like an animal and recovery at an unheard of rate(especially if your supplement cycle is top notch).

The MassMonster shake is the ULTIMATE fuel to feeding the craziet workouts. Trust me if you love to grind it out in the gym, the MassMonster shake brings training enjoyment to a new level. The pump, the recovery, the strenght gains, and the intense energy will take your training to a new level.

You will be in biology thinking of the gym. You will going to sleep just to wake and train. You will be banging your girl and thinking of squats...okay, I'm lieing about the later. Results come fast with this protcol......FAST especially if you personalize the MassMonster Shake to your liking with supplements that you know work.

MassMonster Shake-Jacob Style!--EVERYONE should personalize there MassMonster shake with a name following MassMonster....Maybe I will have a contest...

The base Plus I mix in

-Jacked (which is a stimulant that I been using for a long time that called Y-RD along with some other goodies..you can use stimulant of choice) Or Core Zap..cannot go wrong with either but love the addition of sulbutiamine in Zap..great formula.
-10 grams BCAAs mixed in MassMonster shake
I will take the below 30 minutes before the gym.
-2 Prime
-3 Powerfull(not for the HGH response but PowerFULL significantly increased dopamine and works in synergy with any stimulant. The combo of PowerFULL plus a stim allows you to control your muscle contractions on different level...the best Mind muscle connection guarnateed.
-1gram 50% EGCG
-20mgs of forskolin
-100mgs 5htp
-6 grams beta Alanine


Part 2 coming soon.
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So uhhhh??? Since you took all day to post, do you feel like sending me a few bottles of Prime? lol! Hey! I had to try right??!!
 
Beta Almandine, sounds exotic :lol:

It is definitely interesting; I would be wary of ingesting 1g of 50% EGCG, that is a massive dose of anti-oxidants. Strag can elaborate/correct me, but I believe that much anti-ox's can actually promote oxidation. I personally dose 900mg/day, spread out evenly in 300mg doses w/ Grape Seed Extract.

Also I'm a bit confused by
USPLabs said:
The Stair protocol is about gaining muscle, losing fat, and staying young!
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Could you elaborate on what you meant by the last part? Perhaps there is a link/relationship I hadn't considered.
 
Steveoph said:
Beta Almandine, sounds exotic :lol:

It is definitely interesting; I would be wary of ingesting 1g of 50% EGCG, that is a massive dose of anti-oxidants. Strag can elaborate/correct me, but I believe that much anti-ox's can actually promote oxidation. I personally dose 900mg/day, spread out evenly in 300mg doses w/ Grape Seed Extract.

Also I'm a bit confused by
Could you elaborate on what you meant by the last part? Perhaps there is a link/relationship I hadn't considered.
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Actually in literature 500mgs of EGCG is the preferred anti oxidant dose.
 
Steveoph said:
Beta Almandine, sounds exotic :lol:

It is definitely interesting; I would be wary of ingesting 1g of 50% EGCG, that is a massive dose of anti-oxidants. Strag can elaborate/correct me, but I believe that much anti-ox's can actually promote oxidation.
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It depends on the oxygen species which is/are the target of attenuation, and, more importantly, which species of animal is in question. I have seen EGCG promote carcinogenesis via free-radical production in colorectal cell lines of diseased state rats, but have no effect on similar human cell lines.
 
crazyfool405 said:
yea and how long after you finish the shake do you wait to have solid food meal?>
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I will cover that in then next part and it again is an individual preference and depending on the time that you workout at...

I usually eat 2-3 hours later...
 
USPLabs said:
Actually in literature 500mgs of EGCG is the preferred anti oxidant dose.
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I understand 500mg is the standard dose; I do a bit less since I also use 50mg of Grapeseed Extract per dose, and also take Vit C throughout the day. Also will you be elaborating on the staying young part, in Part 2?

Mulletsoldier said:
It depends on the oxygen species which is/are the target of attenuation, and, more importantly, which species of animal is in question. I have seen EGCG promote carcinogenesis via free-radical production in colorectal cell lines of diseased state rats, but have no effect on similar human cell lines.
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Good to know. Do you happen to recall/have handy the Green Tea studies on human at high doses? I guess 1g really isn't that much, but I generally try and avoid anti-oxidants too much around my workouts after reading Dinoii's posts on Vit C timing.
 
Steveoph said:
Good to know. Do you happen to recall/have handy the Green Tea studies on human at high doses? I guess 1g really isn't that much, but I generally try and avoid anti-oxidants too much around my workouts after reading Dinoii's posts on Vit C timing.
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Which particular study? I know of one wherein participants were given a single ascending dose up to 1600mg, where no safety or toxicity concerns were present; however, this obviously does not speak to long term accumulation.

When considering this anti-oxidant problematic, one has to consider several factors pertinent to the study at hand: The physiological condition of the target population and/or cell line; which radical oxygen species was/were produced; what was the administration method (intravenous, oral, and so forth; and what the overall aim of the study was.

For example, if a particular study shows an increase of carcinogenic proteases due to EGCG radical-oxygen species production in rat retinal cancer cells, administered intravenously, that does not have much bearing (if any) on healthy, normal in vivo administration. I have not seen this individual's article, so I will refrain from commenting on it in particular, but too many paint these things with a broad stroke.
 
USPLabs said:
If it's making you fat, your other meals have to be modified. Post your daily meal plan..
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my meal plan sucks. i'm hardly ever home and i can't always eat so i eat what i can where i can. i know it's gotta be from all the calories in the shake but i figured taking that much p-slin would help cut down on that a little. but i've come to the conclusion that i'm never going to get bigger without getting fatter first
 
how would this MMS help someone on a keto diet to stay in ketosis? and how can you incorperate it in to the program? does it act LIKE insulin mimicing its activites, or does it let insulin work BETTER so less is used ?
 
crazyfool405 said:
how would this MMS help someone on a keto diet to stay in ketosis? and how can you incorperate it in to the program? does it act LIKE insulin mimicing its activites, or does it let insulin work BETTER so less is used ?
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aren't u supposed to stay just above ketosis? i don't think it's healthy to stay in that state all the time
 
crazyfool405 said:
how would this MMS help someone on a keto diet to stay in ketosis? and how can you incorperate it in to the program? does it act LIKE insulin mimicing its activites, or does it let insulin work BETTER so less is used ?
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Its probably the only true mimicker....Meaning it stimulates GLUT4 like insulin would...

Many use AP to eat carbs and stay in ketosis but I have never bothered with ketosis because Anabolic pump and pslin allows me to eat carbohydrates and lose fat...

I think AP makes ketosis obsolete but P-slin is a different animal because of the amount of carbohyrates needed...
 
dude USP....

Been running varients of the MMS and also dosing DURING meals.... these meals are BIG. Ive been using 675-800mg pslin with each meal or shake.... sometimes my carb intake hits 150-200g(from straight brown sugar, maltos, oats in even amounts) and pro isolate is around 40-50(Invalid Link Removed, tastey). Ive also had all the others in the mix, BCAA's, Leucine, 3-6g creatine, 2-6g BA ect ect....

I must say that dosing DURING meals has almost got to be TOO strong as I will finish my workout and the rest of the shake or a HUGE meal and take it in a cap mid meal and seriously STILL go hypo....

Think I need to back down the Pslin dose? Will I still get the effects desired with say 200-400mg pslin? Cause theres no practical way for me to RAISE the cal intake higher then I have already done.... Like I said this protocol is almost TOO strong for me....... oh ya and I am on cycle been holding the same weight of 200 for about 2 weeks now and dropping fat by the day.

Long live Pslin.... but really is this too much for anyone else?

Must be sensitive to insulin???
 
poopypants said:
dude USP....

Been running varients of the MMS and also dosing DURING meals.... these meals are BIG. Ive been using 675-800mg pslin with each meal or shake.... sometimes my carb intake hits 150-200g(from straight brown sugar, maltos, oats in even amounts) and pro isolate is around 40-50(Invalid Link Removed, tastey). Ive also had all the others in the mix, BCAA's, Leucine, 3-6g creatine, 2-6g BA ect ect....

I must say that dosing DURING meals has almost got to be TOO strong as I will finish my workout and the rest of the shake or a HUGE meal and take it in a cap mid meal and seriously STILL go hypo....

Think I need to back down the Pslin dose? Will I still get the effects desired with say 200-400mg pslin? Cause theres no practical way for me to RAISE the cal intake higher then I have already done.... Like I said this protocol is almost TOO strong for me....... oh ya and I am on cycle been holding the same weight of 200 for about 2 weeks now and dropping fat by the day.

Long live Pslin.... but really is this too much for anyone else?

Must be sensitive to insulin???
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Poops - IMO you could be dosing to high too soon - you're saying 600 - 800mg per meal? Three times a day or two? That's real high bro... were you already taking PSlin before hand?

I was dosing P-SLin capped twice a day before the bulk version came out. Post WO and pre Evening meal.

When the Bulk version arrived, I changed to an intra-WO protocol running approx. 600mg, and again with evening meal for first 4 days (slightly less than 1/4 tsp) then bumping up the intra WO dose to 800mg - even then, on the first occassion I felt I needed additional carbs.

Rather than take a day off P-Slin, I dropped the dosage to 1x 800mg on rest days (twice a week).

I have also tried a split dosage: 400mg pre (30min) 400mg intra - but I think having the full dosage in a monsta shake with sips 15min prior works best... for me.
 
well usually I dose once with a large meal earlier in the day, only like 224mg with that one and then the 675-800 with the workout.

On off days though I tried the 675-800 with a single large meal and it was just way too much, ate a ton and would still go hypo.
 
Steveoph said:
I understand 500mg is the standard dose; I do a bit less since I also use 50mg of Grapeseed Extract per dose, and also take Vit C throughout the day...
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I generally agree with Mullet and USPLabs. I would aim at 2 x 500mg EGCG daily, especially, if also used as part of a fat-loss regime. In this manner, Green Tea will not only produce anti-oxidant effects, but will also preferentially use fats, not carbohydrates, for energy expenditure, leading to elevated resting metabolic rate, while sparing proteins. As is well-known, this is possible via the inhibition of the enzyme catechol- O-methyltransferase (COMT) that usually breaks down norepinephrine, the body's mot powerful endogenous thermogenic hormone.

If I recall correctly, to ensure EGCG is not eliminated before entering blood circulation, between 380mg and 500mg EGCG need to be consumed at once. At lower levels (<380mg EGCG), only small amounts reach the blood. At higher levels (>380mg EGCG), circulating levels in the blood are dramatically higher. This is much like carnosine. The carnosine barrier is 1000mg taken in one dose. Below this, carnosine is rapidly metabolized into non-functional compounds in the body. At 1000mg carnosine in one dose, however, carnosine synthesis (carnosine -> beta-alanine/l-histidine -> carnosine) is initiated and blood levels rise significantly. Back to EGCG. Taking 500mg EGCG at once produces exponentially greater benefits than taking 2 x 250mg. So, I would aim for 2 x 500mg daily.
 
strategicmove said:
I generally agree with Mullet and USPLabs. I would aim at 2 x 500mg EGCG daily, especially, if also used as part of a fat-loss regime. In this manner, Green Tea will not only produce anti-oxidant effects, but will also preferentially use fats, not carbohydrates, for energy expenditure, leading to elevated resting metabolic rate, while sparing proteins. As is well-known, this is possible via the inhibition of the enzyme catechol- O-methyltransferase (COMT) that usually breaks down norepinephrine, the body's mot powerful endogenous thermogenic hormone.

If I recall correctly, to ensure EGCG is not eliminated before entering blood circulation, between 380mg and 500mg EGCG need to be consumed at once. At lower levels (<380mg EGCG), only small amounts reach the blood. At higher levels (>380mg EGCG), circulating levels in the blood are dramatically higher. This is much like carnosine. The carnosine barrier is 1000mg taken in one dose. Below this, carnosine is rapidly metabolized into non-functional compounds in the body. At 1000mg carnosine in one dose, however, carnosine synthesis (carnosine -> beta-alanine/l-histidine -> carnosine) is initiated and blood levels rise significantly. Back to EGCG. Taking 500mg EGCG at once produces exponentially greater benefits than taking 2 x 250mg. So, I would aim for 2 x 500mg daily.
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Thanks for that update Strag. I ran out of capped Green Tea anyways, but I was dosing I believe 300mg/cap, a bit under your old recommendations (Invalid Link Removed ) But 500mg is easily done. What are your thoughts on taking 1000mg at once though?

LOVERIUS said:
Is it a thread?? Gimme the link then... I wanna stay young too!!:drunk:
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It's from the writeup, I merely quoted it. It caught my attention, but was never developed upon.
USPLabs said:
The Stair protocol is about gaining muscle, losing fat, and staying young!
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Steveoph said:
Thanks for that update Strag. I ran out of capped Green Tea anyways, but I was dosing I believe 300mg/cap, a bit under your old recommendations (Invalid Link Removed ) But 500mg is easily done. What are your thoughts on taking 1000mg at once though?....
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1000mg EGCG in once dose is quite significant. In principle, one can do that once in a while (or once or twice a week) to spike norpinephrine secretion via catechol-o-methyl-transferase (COMT) inhibition, aggressively support nutrient partitioning and cholecystokinin (CCK) release that is important in the management of insulin pathways, manage post-prandial oxidative stress (for example after a large meal), and so on. It is definitely not something I would recommend to do on a daily basis.
 
Agreed on the above. One also has to consider that intravenous vs., oral administration methods have been delineated upon total absorption vs., secretion amounts. In many studies I have seen, large amounts of EGCG (as you alluded to, Strag) are excreted in feces when administered orally; on the corollary, much proportionately smaller amounts are found in urine when administered intravenously.
 
ShiftyCapone said:
You wouldn't happen to have a link handy would ya?
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dinoiii said:
I like the sequence of these exchanges and a big thank you to T_I and RA for obviously keeping up to date on both my recommendation and rationale.


I do tend to recommend a mere 500mg (despite the fact that higher tally pills do, in effect, exist). As RA points out, this is keeping in mind the fact that there is an "optimal" level of intake that falls in line with this recommendation. That said, the notion of ingesting 1gram or even more per dose is essentially proposterous due to the additional potential of it acting as a PRO-oxidant (rather than anti-oxidant).


We also keep in mind that at least a minimum of two times per day, I also recommend running beta-carotene (plus other carotenoids to keep stable the carotenoid balance) + Vitamin E + Selenium. The absorption of the said nutrients that comprise the ACES acronym you will hear me frequently reference actually imparts additional bioavailability as well as positive actions and while it may sound like a small point...try running them all together (NO, NOT as part of a multi-vitamin and YES a minimum of twice per day) and see how much better you feel.




D_
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dinoiii said:
Hey there T_I,

Females are a very different "animal!"

And I mean that in the most respectable way of course.

A lot of things we don't talk about on bodybuilding message boards too often (i.e. - pregnancy, nursing, pre- / post- menopausal, etc...) come into play, but I can make some generalizations.

First and foremost, we will define appropriately for those unfamiliar with the nomenclature what it is that I speak of when I talk ACES.

Vitamin A
Vitamin C
Vitamin E
Selenium

With the vitamin A...I do NOT recommend supplementation with it directly at all, but with its essential counter dimer, beta-carotene. Beta-carotene is basically 2 Vitamin A (retinol) molecules put together. Vtiamin A deficiency is rather rare in the US as it being one of the fat-soluble set actually finds significant stores in areas of the body like the liver. Many sources will try and sell you on the presumed fact that you can get adequate amounts through the diet and this is very untrue (recall my comparison of various vitamin tallies from things like fruit and a vegetarian may be in the worst-case scenario). Certain drugs can deplete Vitamin A (take the antibiotic neomycin) while others can increase it (take the anti-acne medication Retin-A). Yet still, it is important to proper egg functioning if the female would like to get pregnant et al.

With the Vitamin C...it is MUCH MORE CHALLENGING TO OVERDOSE on provided you follow some general rules as toxicity is not defined appropriately with this vitamin. This is a water-soluble vitamin. Vitamin C was recently suggested by an "expert" panel to be increased in the RDA which the followers of Linus Pauling have known for a very long time. Vitamin C really can be advantageous if used in an Orthomolecular pattern for most people. What that means is a VERY JUDICIOUS DOSING and likely with just about roughly EVERY meal. Woman can take heed in knowing that iron is co-absorbed with Vitamin C and in times of menstruation, it should be co-supplemented with iron to make ammends for the menstrual flow...certainly this will vary at times outside of menstruation (but easy supplementation may include additional iron around the menstrual period) and of course this whole scenario changes when taking all of this into consideration. Of course, when you come up to do the intern position officially, I will show you how to assess all of these kind of cases and they all have VERY explicit scenarios. Recall how I mentioned toxicity before? What I am getting at is the two-edged sword ability of Vitamin C to also act the role of PRO-Oxidant if used in inappropriate tallies, so as a safeguard for this as well, I recommend no more than 500mg per dose spread over the day as many times a woman can remember to take it and then specialty things like iron come into play after that.

Vitamin E has unfortunately taken the biggest hit recently in some very suspect literature. This really comes down to trouble and will be a VERY LONG discussion, what I recommend is 400 IU (and no more than 800 IU) of mixed tocopherols/tocotrienols.

Selenium is a mineral that bears a toxicity VERY close to its avoidance of deficiency. 100-150 mcg supplemental usually covers males and females.

I am very liberal in B Complex dosing...it being another water-soluble set. The two things woman will have to watch is the potential for peripheral neuropathies with B6 and hepatotoxicity with niacin. Everything else is merely an annoyance rather than an imminent threat. A general B Complex vitamin is intricate to so many reactions in the body, yet absorption of certain items like B12 harbor a very lowly 4-6% bioavailability rate, still one could easily get it cheap enough that liberal dosing (and maybe even a little body octane that has a VERY HEALTHY dose of its counter methylcobalamin in it that may be a bit more bioavailable).


For the most part, these nutrient analyses are one of the things we will get you plenty of experience in when you are with us James and while I understand it isn't exactly exercise phys., you will see its tie-in.


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You can google some of those words and find the post.
 
Steveoph said:
You can google some of those words and find the post.
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Haha, yeah... Reading a dinoiii post can often send you to google for some extensive word searching. I'm familiar with his ACES recommendations and whatnot from over at DA...

Thanks for the quote though. Very helpful.
 
Steveoph said:
You can google some of those words and find the post.
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Links to abstracts and/or full studies?

As I said previously:

When considering this anti-oxidant problematic, one has to consider several factors pertinent to the study at hand: The physiological condition of the target population and/or cell line; which radical oxygen species was/were produced; what was the administration method (intravenous, oral, and so forth; and what the overall aim of the study was.

For example, if a particular study shows an increase of carcinogenic proteases due to EGCG radical-oxygen species production in rat retinal cancer cells, administered intravenously, that does not have much bearing (if any) on healthy, normal in vivo administration. I have not seen this individual's article, so I will refrain from commenting on it in particular, but too many paint these things with a broad stroke.
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Whether an ANTI-oxidant begins producing ROS or not is dependent on a great confluence of factors. Not discounting this individual's post above, as it is valid but, merely wishing to see the data he based his opinion on.
 
jakellpet said:
there's no reason I can think of why it would change in the AM - I use it exclusively in the AM
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you think if the mass monster shake are the only carbs im getting anf fgollow a keto diet it would be possible to still create that insulin sensitivity, and rebound when i add carbs back in?,

also what pathway does p slin utilize? and how does it differ from K R ala gymemma, Quercitin (as foiund in DS glucophase), and vanadyl sulfate pathway? ???
 
crazyfool405 said:
you think if the mass monster shake are the only carbs im getting anf fgollow a keto diet it would be possible to still create that insulin sensitivity, and rebound when i add carbs back in?,

also what pathway does p slin utilize? and how does it differ from K R ala gymemma, Quercitin (as foiund in DS glucophase), and vanadyl sulfate pathway? ???
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mate, I can't answer that - you'll have to wait for the experts
 
what about using 15 g BCAAs 27g whey isolate, 10g creatine mono, 60g waxymaize, 60g maltodextrin, 1 cap glucose metabolic support (NOW), and 400mg P Slin.

does this look decent?
 
crazyfool405 said:
what about using 15 g BCAAs 27g whey isolate, 10g creatine mono, 60g waxymaize, 60g maltodextrin, 1 cap glucose metabolic support (NOW), and 400mg P Slin.

does this look decent?
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I think the comob of WMS and malto is redundant and the Stair protocol is about keeping insulin steady instead of peaking and falling so that is why we combine Complex carbs with the protocol..

But you can still use the above protocol its all about experiementation.
 
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