Bulk P-Slin MassMonster shake Discussion!

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BMR Calculation:

BMR = 66 + ( 6.23 x weight in pounds ) + ( 12.7 x height in
inches ) - ( 6.8 x age in year ).

So, if YOU are 5’11”, and 160lbs at 23 years of age, your BMR is as follow: 66
+ (6.23 x 160) + (12.7 x 71) – (6.8 x 23) = 1808 calories needed with NO activity
performed.

BULKING CALORIES:
To Gain Weight and Lean Muscle Mass:
Gaining 1lb of mass requires 3500 calories of energy; 3500 split over 7 days
equates to 500 calories MORE than your BMR daily. So, to combine with our
example above, this means 1808 = 500 = 2,308 for a bulking diet!

CUTTING CALORIES:
To Lose Fat and Retain Muscle:
As we mentioned above, gaining 1lb of mass requires 3500 EXTRA calories;
so following that logic, it requires 3500 LESS calories per week than your
body requires. As above, let’s use our first example: 1808-500 = 1308. This
VERY SIMPLY mean
 
who ever is in get your caloric number and we can go into stage 2 of the AIR and Stair program.
 
RMR = 2136.25
RMR+5WO = 4486.13
GAINING = 4986.13


BTW USPLabs, in your RMR you forgot to add in the extra 500. You have 22 * 85kg(FFM) = 1870. But the formula says, 22 * 85kg(FFM) + 500 which should be 2370. So your maintenance should be 5688 (2370 * 2.4). Wouldn't want you to miss out on those extra cals. Everyone loves to eat... ;)


ON TO STAGE 2!!!!! Can't wait to use this new knowledge when I start bulking on PRIME in a week...
 
Now that I've gone through these calculations I have to determine how in the hell I'm going to get in 5k calories a day :burger:
 
Calories: 2590 Protein: 278.42 grams
Carbs: 246.05 grams Fat: 54.68 grams
So does that mean I could get most my fat from omega 3's or not safe to?
Also lot of my carbs will be comming from waxy maize.
 
djbombsquad said:
Calories: 2590 Protein: 278.42 grams
Carbs: 246.05 grams Fat: 54.68 grams
So does that mean I could get most my fat from omega 3's or not safe to?
Also lot of my carbs will be comming from waxy maize.
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Did you forget to account for the number of workouts per week? Those calories are looking low...
 
Calories look rediculously high on this regimen at 4000 k or more a day .

My matienance calories at 165 lbs 6% bf has always been about 2400 calories a day while lifting 45 minutes every other day. Whenever I venture into the 3000 cal. range I start putting on bf. 4102 cals a day would put on 2 lbs of fat a week as far as im concerned(7000 cals over matienance a week = 2lbs of fat), is pslin supposed to allow for this xtra 1500 calories a day?

I have done calorie calculators that factor in everything from walking up a flight of stairs to watching tv, typeing ect.. and not one has me over 2500 calories a day matienance.
 
djbombsquad said:
I work out 5 days a week with weights.
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K. Then let's work backwards... (i'm assuming this is your maintenance number)

2590 / 2.1 = 1233.33 RMR
1233.33 - 500 = 733.33
733.33 / 22 = 33.33 FFM
Which means even if you had 0% bodyfat, you would weigh 73.33 pounds.

If 2590 is a calorie deficit...

3090 / 2.1 = 1471.43
1471.43 - 500 = 971.43
971.43 / 22 = 44.16 FFM
At 0% bodyfat, you would weigh 97.14 pounds.

Not even going to show what it would be if 2590 was your bulking number...

[Note: everything is according to the formulas provided by USPLabs. If those aren't correct from the get-go then this is off.]
 
I currently consume around 4000-5000 calories from the time I leave my house at 9 to the time I go to bed at mid night. I could have done the math wrong?
 
My pslin came in today. yes. I am excited. I will also use for my NO glycine propinyl l carnitine hcl I just remembered I had like 5 bottles of it. Vs arginine akg type of products.
 
I tried it yesterday. 100 grams of wms peptopro at 15 grams 10 grams of leucine 800mg of pslin 30 min before.
My work out was fine. It was hard tell what this PUMP felling was but again it was only my 1st time using it. I am playing around with it so that I get it right for my cycle.
 
djbombsquad said:
I tried it yesterday. 100 grams of wms peptopro at 15 grams 10 grams of leucine 800mg of pslin 30 min before.
My work out was fine. It was hard tell what this PUMP felling was but again it was only my 1st time using it. I am playing around with it so that I get it right for my cycle.
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let us know if you feel or see anything in the mirror after your second dose today..
 
I like many users do not feel the inital effects within the stated time or even during the workout. I take a creatine product before my workout along with p-slin, carbs and protein. The workout is the same regardless if I took the p-slin or not, as long as I took in the calories it was the same workout. For me the real magic is the next day, if you get the cals right (I hate saying that but everyone is different and it's true) you can see a huge difference in just one day.

I forgot about this until yesterday, I took my last few doses of p-slin I had from a bulk earlier this year. There was a wedding this weekend so lots of good food and eating since thursday until today sunday. I am leaner and more dense today after eating a surplus of about 1000 cals a day for the past 4 days than I have been in a couple months. Obviously this can't happen forever and at some point it will spill over to fat (which also can happen on p-slin), but being able to eat whatever I wanted for an entire weekend and come out with more muscle and less fat is awesome.

Great stuff!
 
ZIMM said:
let us know if you feel or see anything in the mirror after your second dose today..
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Well I took pslin before but not at this super high dose. I am going to keep taking 800 with each meal for 5 days and see what happens. I am making sure each meal has at least 100 grams of complex carbs.
 
was waiting for more minds to hop on board...

Okay first we will look at the AIR protocol. Which stands for Anabolic Insulin response and we will follow that by the stair protocol which stnads for steady state anabolic insulin response.

We will approach each with 2 different protocols using liquid nutrition or whole foods.
 
I was being patient also, and not saying anything. I couldn't hold back anymore.:rasp: Very excited for the protocols!
 
Oh I want to know!

What I've been doing -
800mg PSLIN
60-100g WMS/Dextrose Mix
40g Whey
3.6g Beta Alanine
5 caps Neovar

All within 15 minutes post-workout.
 
Urban Monk said:
Why is there a need for two diferent protocols? Which is better?

And can you list them out if you have them...?
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We are all different so I like to give options and its cool to experiement with different options.
 
Thanks J.

Its been about a week and a half since the protocols were promised however. I've had my bulk p-slin for a bit now, plus some capped.

Lets get some PROTOCOLS! :food:
 
very interested. I have bulk pslin and anabolic pump ordered. hoping one more mind on board will speed up the flow of this great info.
:djparty:
 
Lets rock and roll with the AIR protocol which is a cool acronym that a fellow anabolicminds member came up with (forgot who it was specifically but have to give credit where credit is due).

We all figured our caloric need in this thread and some are concerned about the amount of calories. Without getting too much of course, the evolution of the American food system has devalued the nutritional value of our food. The evolution of the American eating patterns has switched from cooking to drive through. Our food is lacking fiber and nutrients so we are eating more starches that digest much quicker therefore spiking insulin and leading to fat gain.

But Jacob, this all about spiking insulin….Are you senile? My wife thinks so sometimes but with proper timing and supplements we will exploit the anabolic power of insulin while avoiding the power of insulin to store fat.

What I’m getting at is once we start eating nutrient dense food and proper times the calories calculated will feed a new level of muscle growth, recovery, and MOST importantly HEALTH!

For those that need to lose more fat, we will use a generic number of 2000 calories and slowly increase from that point. Please remember that Formulas are just formulas but by learning calories, you start to REALLY understand the type of nutrition you require individually.

The AIR protocol is based around using the power of P-SLIN and spiking insulin with simple sugars and fast digesting proteins pre-intra-post workout and avoiding insulin spikes throughout the day(well depending on your body type). We try to avoid fat at all cost. We do not want much fat in the blood stream but fish oil is fine and DO not freak out over a few grams of fat. Please do not exceed 6grams.

AIR-Mass Monster shakes

800mgs Pslin
150-200grams simple sugars (waxy maize starch, dextrose, malto)
40-50 grams Whey Protein Isolate or Hydroslate or Mix of both
5 grams creatine monohydrate
5grams beta alanine
Extras for the rich dudes
BCAAs, More leucine, Whey Hydrosolate, Anabolic Pump, Y-RD or stim of choice

1. With the AIR-Mass Monster shake just mix all the above into half gallon jug and start drinking 30 minutes pre workout.
2. Slowly sip during the workout
3. Finish post workout

What is happening?

We are spiking GLUT4 levels with Insulin and with P-SLIN. We are creating an anabolic response pre-intra-post workout that will lead to a cascade of positive events. While spiking insulin we will be driving Creatine, Beta Alanine and amino acids into muscle cells.

What will I experience?

Ultimately our goal is more muscle mass without fat mass! But the workout energy and endurance will be phenomenal!

How about our other meals?

Well this is when we avoid spiking insulin unless you are not carb sensitive but I’ve learned if you keep insulin low throughout the day and spike around the workout. You become much more insulin responsive so spiking Insulin becomes much more effective and we avoid FAT gain. Which exactly what we want!

How do I eat?

Hmmmm this becomes real difficult and user dependent….In general all meals will be high fiber, very low carbohydrate, high protein and high in good fats! I eat 30 grams of oatmeal in the morning but I use Anabolic Pump so very very little insulin is secreted.
 
interesting!

I'll have to order me some P-SLIN :D
 
very interesting, but it all seems like complete common sense!! I guess a lot of it comes down to diet discipline..

I may be getting a couple more P-Slins to keep this going through the winter months.

I'm actually getting ready to do a winter cut rather than bulk.. Being 36, going on 37 in Jan, my weight loss has definitely slowed down..
 
MgoBlue said:
very interesting, but it all seems like complete common sense!! I guess a lot of it comes down to diet discipline..

I may be getting a couple more P-Slins to keep this going through the winter months.

I'm actually getting ready to do a winter cut rather than bulk.. Being 36, going on 37 in Jan, my weight loss has definitely slowed down..
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Eating right is commosense but I've never seen this approach.

what is the commonsense behind it.

Eating protein, fiber and fats before spiking insulin or Using P-SLIN with that amount of carbohydrates or starting at 2000 calories and then working up to your real caloric needs once the body adapts to real food....

I never seen this approach but its like a mix of the anabolic diet and carbohydrates during the same day.

We still have the stair protocol coming next!
 
USPLabs said:
150-200grams simple sugars (waxy maize starch, dextrose, malto)
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What about adding in something like powdered oats so that you have a, say, 50:50 mix of oats:simple sugar? By crushing them into a fine powder their digestibility is enhanced, so instead of using a nutritionally empty sugar you're using a superior foodstuff and still getting a spike from the simple sugars that are there and perhaps turning that spike into an extended 'platform' over the workout and beyond?

Yay? Nay? Worth a try?
 
USPLabs said:
Eating right is commosense but I've never seen this approach.

what is the commonsense behind it.

Eating protein, fiber and fats before spiking insulin or Using P-SLIN with that amount of carbohydrates or starting at 2000 calories and then working up to your real caloric needs once the body adapts to real food....

I never seen this approach but its like a mix of the anabolic diet and carbohydrates during the same day.

We still have the stair protocol coming next!
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I'm not saying that your protocol is so simple that anyone could've come up with it.. It just seems like your products always enhance the "good" foods that we eat. I love that! It makes me want to eat cleaner. I guess that's the common sense part for me. This approach is definitely different & definitely welcome!
 
Thudd said:
What about adding in something like powdered oats so that you have a, say, 50:50 mix of oats:simple sugar? By crushing them into a fine powder their digestibility is enhanced, so instead of using a nutritionally empty sugar you're using a superior foodstuff and still getting a spike from the simple sugars that are there and perhaps turning that spike into an extended 'platform' over the workout and beyond?

Yay? Nay? Worth a try?
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that is part of the steady state anabolic insulin response(Stair)
 
MgoBlue said:
I'm not saying that your protocol is so simple that anyone could've come up with it.. It just seems like your products always enhance the "good" foods that we eat. I love that! It makes me want to eat cleaner. I guess that's the common sense part for me. This approach is definitely different & definitely welcome!
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I always love feedback so I was just asking questions.
 
USPLabs said:
AIR-Mass Monster shakes

800mgs Pslin
150-200grams simple sugars (waxy maize starch, dextrose, malto)
40-50 grams Whey Protein Isolate or Hydroslate or Mix of both
5 grams creatine monohydrate
5grams beta alanine
Extras for the rich dudes
BCAAs, More leucine, Whey Hydrosolate, Anabolic Pump, Y-RD or stim of choice
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Tried this out today like this -
~800mg PSLIN
100g carbs (WMS/Dextrose mix)
40g whey
3.6g beta alanine
5 caps Neovar

WOW. I trained twice today, utilizing this protocol both times, and both sessions were completely intense.. These weren't light sessions at all, I'm talking heavy squats and such.. Even during my second session, at the very end during HIIT I had soo much left in me.. It felt great. Hoping this keeps up, if so, USP, you've hit the mark with this one man.

Now, got a Q about measuring out the bulk powder, do you recommend just measuring 1/2 teaspoon out and leveling it off for the 800mg, or do you recommend packing the powder down into the teaspoon and then leveling it off?
 
ozarkaBRAND said:
Tried this out today like this -
~800mg PSLIN
100g carbs (WMS/Dextrose mix)
40g whey
3.6g beta alanine
5 caps Neovar

WOW. I trained twice today, utilizing this protocol both times, and both sessions were completely intense.. These weren't light sessions at all, I'm talking heavy squats and such.. Even during my second session, at the very end during HIIT I had soo much left in me.. It felt great. Hoping this keeps up, if so, USP, you've hit the mark with this one man.

Now, got a Q about measuring out the bulk powder, do you recommend just measuring 1/2 teaspoon out and leveling it off for the 800mg, or do you recommend packing the powder down into the teaspoon and then leveling it off?
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Puts some creatine in the mix..

Can someone with a Scale measure out how much 1/2 teaspoon weighs...PLEASE!
 
USPLabs said:
Puts some creatine in the mix..

Can someone with a Scale measure out how much 1/2 teaspoon weighs...PLEASE!
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I had creatine in my mix during the first session, ~3 grams of dicreatine malate.. Neovar was my creatine source for the second session.

It was uh uh uh AWESOME.
 
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