Good to hear you are making some progress in the sleep and recovery front.
Thanks. I'm not exactly sure what all the progress can be attributed to, but I'll take it.Good to hear you are making some progress in the sleep and recovery front.
I'm not sure what you mean by better proportioned then you...I just took a look at your log and your stronger then me at a much lighter bodyweight! That's a great standing press by the way, well, all those lifts are, especially at your bodyweight. Advanced according to Wilks score I imagine.You and I have the same overall goals... 300/400/500. I think you are better proportioned than me though, lol. My all time bests are 280/345/455 and 205 standing press. <-- can't really explain that one. lol
thanks man, I never mind an ego boost lol. But I think you hitting a 400/500 squat/dl is more likely than me. by the time my squat hits 400 my dl will be 580. I have retarded disproportion in my squat and deadlift. I have to fight to keep my squat higher than my bench lol.I'm not sure what you mean by better proportioned then you...I just took a look at your log and your stronger then me at a much lighter bodyweight! That's a great standing press by the way, well, all those lifts are, especially at your bodyweight. Advanced according to Wilks score I imagine.
I hear ya. Yeah, as long as I don't get injured, I should be able to hit those numbers again. But, it's still going to be a while for me to get there, unless I finally get my diet tight so I can lose 10-20 pounds so I can build appropriately. That's my problem. I have to eat in a way for poor performance to allow for the current weekend trash meals so anyway, you still will probably win the race!thanks man, I never mind an ego boost lol. But I think you hitting a 400/500 squat/dl is more likely than me. by the time my squat hits 400 my dl will be 580. I have retarded disproportion in my squat and deadlift. I have to fight to keep my squat higher than my bench lol.
What is your squat stance? I think most previous Crossfitters tend to use a pretty high bar stance, and often a really deep ATG squat as opposed to just below parallel. If that is the case you might try a slightly wider stance and use a low bar squat to drive up those numbers a bit. Also where would you say your sticking spot is?thanks man, I never mind an ego boost lol. But I think you hitting a 400/500 squat/dl is more likely than me. by the time my squat hits 400 my dl will be 580. I have retarded disproportion in my squat and deadlift. I have to fight to keep my squat higher than my bench lol.
What's your target weight?Symptoms without taking anything: muscle cramps with mild exertion, perceived smell (not real I believe), clammy, still have regurgitation (no heartburn), very mild depression on waking, frequent waking but slept hard in between, mild health anxiety.
yeah Crossfitters always look at me goofy when they see me lowbarWhat is your squat stance? I think most previous Crossfitters tend to use a pretty high bar stance, and often a really deep ATG squat as opposed to just below parallel. If that is the case you might try a slightly wider stance and use a low bar squat to drive up those numbers a bit. Also where would you say your sticking spot is?
I would add in some paused squats, 1 & 1/4 squats and some box squats into the rotation to get through those sticking points. Of course not all at once. Also a good extended paused squat will really help you find a spot you can hold that is below parallel but not so low that it is detrimental to how much you can lift. Then your body will just naturally change direction at that spot since it is already used to stopping there. Save the ATG squats for Olympic / High bar stance.yeah Crossfitters always look at me goofy when they see me lowbar
I have a pretty traditional power lifting squat although not particularly wide stance, normal and comfortable.
I do go ATG when training cleans or snatch however my front squats lately have found a great recoil right at parallel. back squats still like to go a little lower than necessary. olympic lifting improved my flexibility greatly, but almost to a detriment.
If I'm going to fail a squat it's in the first 6 inches between the hole and rising back up. I'll have some real grinds in the middle but I can tell it will still finish if I can get those first 6 inches.
Any advice or standard approach to as what % of working sets your pause squats should be at? I have historically stopped them at 225lbs never intentionally trained them much higher than that.I would add in some paused squats, 1 & 1/4 squats and some box squats into the rotation to get through those sticking points. Of course not all at once. Also a good extended paused squat will really help you find a spot you can hold that is below parallel but not so low that it is detrimental to how much you can lift. Then your body will just naturally change direction at that spot since it is already used to stopping there. Save the ATG squats for Olympic / High bar stance.
I'd like to weigh 200, but the truth is I will likely never hit that again barring any major health issues or discoveries. I'm going to shoot for 210 and reassess from there.What's your target weight?
How is your job/personal life?
depression, SAD this time of year, all of it, is tough. they say it takes 21 days to create a habit right?
Right on. To that bolded part, absolutely 100%. Great points. And if the PEM stays at bay, I'll be able to add more training sessions per week which will help greatly.sometimes its supplemental sometimes its internal. Sometimes ya gotta give yourself grace, other times you gotta forge through. Depression is a bitch but it sounds like you recognize it enough to know when to take it serious and when to let it go. Sounds to me like you're at exactly the right age, with exactly the right family dynamic with exactly the right uncertainty in job and house during exactly the right time of year to help create challenges regardless. You know who you are, what you are, and what you're doing... that puts you a millions miles ahead of most of society. Keep at it bro, hopefully the routines that you're reestablishing help a lot.
Plus, I personally count down the days till Dec 22nd when they start getting longer again !! ha! My two least favorite days of the year are dec 21, the shortest, and june 21, the longest (since then they start shortening up fast lol.
60-70% quite likely, but it’s just going to be based on what you can manage to lift well for the intended rep scheme. You don’t want to be on the ragged edge; start lighter than you think and leave reps in the tank. It’s about dominating the positions, exerting control and being fairly explosive in reversal strength. You can’t learn positions if your body is in panic mode just trying to survive the weights.Any advice or standard approach to as what % of working sets your pause squats should be at? I have historically stopped them at 225lbs never intentionally trained them much higher than that.
I was specifically referring to comp position pause squats.I haven't done box squats in years, same with pin press. Both movements I found typically put me in a retarded position that left me saying ouch in a potential injury way. BUT I should probably rethink that and find a way to reincorporate both proper.
Well I quoted this to provide an answer but you can just read @Hyde's response.Any advice or standard approach to as what % of working sets your pause squats should be at? I have historically stopped them at 225lbs never intentionally trained them much higher than that.
Everything @Hyde said... Imagine that!60-70% quite likely, but it’s just going to be based on what you can manage to lift well for the intended rep scheme. You don’t want to be on the ragged edge; start lighter than you think and leave reps in the tank. It’s about dominating the positions, exerting control and being fairly explosive in reversal strength. You can’t learn positions if your body is in panic mode just trying to survive the weights.
No I haven't going to have to look up FFMI, not familiar with it.Weight: 221
That weight was before the morning dump, so I should be 220 or so.
Anyone ever calculate FFMI? Needed a little hopium/motivation and glad I did. Based on my height, weight and BF%, I'm in the "bodybuilder/powerlifter" class, with a little too much BF%. Occasionally I get frustrated with how much I've regressed/decompositioned (is that a word?), so looking at things like that helps stay motivated. Also read the new article Christian Thib wrote about spotting fake natty's, but the point there is I'm likely about 20 pounds of muscle away from my natural limit. I don't think that's too far off. Gotta keep at it.
It's pretty neat. Also, I edited the post that you quoted...could you take a look at it again with regard to the carb timing and PEM theory?Well I quoted this to provide an answer but you can just read @Hyde's response.
Everything @Hyde said... Imagine that!
No I haven't going to have to look up FFMI, not familiar with it.
Well, unfortunately I don't know too much about ME/CFS which is what i found when looking up PEM. I at least understand a bit more of what you are going through, but to comment on what I think might be part of it would be a bit premature of me with my understanding of what you are dealing with.It's pretty neat. Also, I edited the post that you quoted...could you take a look at it again with regard to the carb timing and PEM theory?
Good points. Yeah, I should mention I only call it PEM because I don't know what else to call it. I don't necessarily believe I have ME/CFS either (and really don't want to go down that path), but the similarities are there. It's interesting you say that about a deficit. There might be a link there. My supplementation and diet will be exactly the same today as Monday, except I'm lower on glycogen so it'll be interesting to see what happens.Well, unfortunately I don't know too much about ME/CFS which is what i found when looking up PEM. I at least understand a bit more of what you are going through, but to comment on what I think might be part of it would be a bit premature of me with my understanding of what you are dealing with.
I do think that if cortisone is released during that fast perhaps it could affect your levels of PEM based on the article I read. At least I can at least understand why you would make that tie in. However if in a deficit you are going to be releasing cortisol whether fasting or not as your body needs to go catabolic to break down fat for energy regardless. So not really sure on that aspect. Have you read of anyone experiencing a bit of relief with cortisone limiting supplements?
The 20 pound figure was based on the numbers in that Thib article. For someone my height at 10% BF, 207 or so would be my genetic limit. 10% from that, would be 186 lb lean body mass and my current lean body mass is 165.wow there's a lot going on here. @Hyde @MrKleen73 apologies, I had threads crossed and was thinking boxes. yeah those numbers for pause squats appear to be equal to or even slightly lower than what I have been doing so thats encouraging.
@GreenMachineX fingers crossed bro. I always figure if supplements (or say eggs in this case) give me even a 1% improvement then it's huge. the FFMI calculators are new to me. going to have to research that one more. How did you figure the 20lb figure ?
I found the article, the numbers are pretty damn impressive. moreso than I would have thought achievable for myselfThe 20 pound figure was based on the numbers in that Thib article. For someone my height at 10% BF, 207 or so would be my genetic limit. 10% from that, would be 186 lb lean body mass and my current lean body mass is 165.
Yeah, I don't know. I'm sure I can add back another 10 naturally, but I don't know about 20.I found the article, the numbers are pretty damn impressive. moreso than I would have thought achievable for myself
- 5’2" – 167 pounds
- 5’4" – 175 pounds
- 5’6" – 183 pounds
- 5’8" – 204 pounds
- 5’10" – 213 pounds
- 6’ – 222 pounds
- 6’2" – 231 pounds
- 6’4" – 245 pounds
- 6’6" – 257 pounds
Lol that's awesome! Until we moved to our current house last year, I really did have atlas stones in the garage! I just need to move down one or 2 sections and I'll be gooddude check this out, cracked me up
FFMI Calculator: See How Muscular & Fit You Really Are
The FFMI (fat free mass index) calculator quantifies muscularity relative to body size. See if you're in shape compared to others your size.www.bodybuildingmealplan.com
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Now of course what I need to do is get to the Might Be Juicing square. I think that is just some fat loss to get there.at first I read "off season bodybuilder" and I was like... you calling me fat?
Then i looked up and saw the "Probably talking about CrossFit right now" and figured I was much happier where i landed here lololololol
literally was thinking about cutting sleeves off some shirts this week
Now of course what I need to do is get to the Might Be Juicing square. I think that is just some fat loss to get there.
Y'all got me smoked. I got some work to do lolat first I read "off season bodybuilder" and I was like... you calling me fat?
Then i looked up and saw the "Probably talking about CrossFit right now" and figured I was much happier where i landed here lololololol
literally was thinking about cutting sleeves off some shirts this week
Once you get used to them you can train them pretty heavy as long as you aren't overly limited by something. I tend to take 10% off whatever the given non-paused training percentage would be for a pause with an additional 5% off per second of pause. Everyone is different though.Any advice or standard approach to as what % of working sets your pause squats should be at? I have historically stopped them at 225lbs never intentionally trained them much higher than that.
Just a heads up, and don't take this as negative towards you just being completely straight forward, FFMI can be useful for rough estimates, but that the higher the body fat the less accurate it may be and most people tend to be overly generous in how low they think their body fat percentage is.Anyone ever calculate FFMI? Needed a little hopium/motivation and glad I did. Based on my height, weight and BF%, I'm in the "bodybuilder/powerlifter" class, with a little too much BF%. Occasionally I get frustrated with how much I've regressed/decompositioned (is that a word?), so looking at things like that helps stay motivated. Also read the new article Christian Thib wrote about spotting fake natty's, but the point there is I'm likely about 20 pounds of muscle away from my natural limit. I don't think that's too far off. Gotta keep at it.
haha that's why we do this broY'all got me smoked. I got some work to do lol
Thank you Captain Buzzkill!Don't mean to hop into your log and just start spouting stuff off so apologize if I seem to be intruding..\
Once you get used to them you can train them pretty heavy as long as you aren't overly limited by something. I tend to take 10% off whatever the given non-paused training percentage would be for a pause with an additional 5% off per second of pause. Everyone is different though.
An example would be a couple weeks ago I was aiming to hit a 5 rep pause squat (1 count pause) building until final rep hit a slow down (which for me usually would have me at 3 RIR) and it ended up being right about 70% of what is probably my current e1rm non paused. I do tons of pauses though so I am probably a bit more acclimated than many.
Just a heads up, and don't take this as negative towards you just being completely straight forward, FFMI can be useful for rough estimates, but that the higher the body fat the less accurate it may be and most people tend to be overly generous in how low they think their body fat percentage is.
Also fwiw I have gone back and forth a bit over the years with how I feel about it. At the end of the day though if looking at it is something that motivates you and gives you a good mind set of where you want to strive to be I think that can be an awesome thing of use.
🫠🥲Thank you Captain Buzzkill!
They also fail to account how difficult it is to hold lean mass when dropping that excess bodyfat without steroids. It’s extremely difficult for a natural with any truly appreciable muscle mass to even hold 10% bodyfat. Good genetics and younger, sure, but not your average genetics & now middle age. Being 10% or having the muscle aren’t the problems, but doing them simultaneously is tough.Don't mean to hop into your log and just start spouting stuff off so apologize if I seem to be intruding..\
Once you get used to them you can train them pretty heavy as long as you aren't overly limited by something. I tend to take 10% off whatever the given non-paused training percentage would be for a pause with an additional 5% off per second of pause. Everyone is different though.
An example would be a couple weeks ago I was aiming to hit a 5 rep pause squat (1 count pause) building until final rep hit a slow down (which for me usually would have me at 3 RIR) and it ended up being right about 70% of what is probably my current e1rm non paused. I do tons of pauses though so I am probably a bit more acclimated than many.
Just a heads up, and don't take this as negative towards you just being completely straight forward, FFMI can be useful for rough estimates, but that the higher the body fat the less accurate it may be and most people tend to be overly generous in how low they think their body fat percentage is.
Also fwiw I have gone back and forth a bit over the years with how I feel about it. At the end of the day though if looking at it is something that motivates you and gives you a good mind set of where you want to strive to be I think that can be an awesome thing of use.
Ya it’s been awhile since I looked at it a lot but I think that’s what I was getting at with accuracy at higher body fat, but makes more sense the way you put it.They also fail to account how difficult it is to hold lean mass when dropping that excess bodyfat without steroids. It’s extremely difficult for a natural with any truly appreciable muscle mass to even hold 10% bodyfat. Good genetics and younger, sure, but not your average genetics & now middle age. Being 10% or having the muscle aren’t the problems, but doing them simultaneously is tough.
These are very high possible limits, not what the average can reasonably aspire to.
Layne Norton is the only natural, that I believe is truly natural, who I've seen come close to these limits. I believe he averages around 205-210lbs at 5'10" (I could be wrong) when he's not strength/powerlifting training.They also fail to account how difficult it is to hold lean mass when dropping that excess bodyfat without steroids. It’s extremely difficult for a natural with any truly appreciable muscle mass to even hold 10% bodyfat. Good genetics and younger, sure, but not your average genetics & now middle age. Being 10% or having the muscle aren’t the problems, but doing them simultaneously is tough.
These are very high possible limits, not what the average can reasonably aspire to.
solid jump from your last squat session, I'd like to raise my 5 rep set 50lbs every week lolToday's WO:
BB Bench 4 x 7, 7, 7, 5 x 185
BB Row 10x95, 2x8x115
Squat 5x235
Cable Upright Row 12x25, 10x30, 10x35
OH Cable Extension 3 x 12, 10, 8 x 25
DB Curls 10x20's, 2 x 6, 6 x 25's
Well, that last workout before was super easy, basically a deload. If I was well, I'd be doing sets of 5 at about 255 I think, but with how bad my recovery is, I'm just not there yet. Squats really rev me up uncomfortably so, so I'm being careful there. I likely could've got 8-10 of the 235.solid jump from your last squat session, I'd like to raise my 5 rep set 50lbs every week lol
Lol I hear ya. I need to take a look at your log again...You're right man we have some crazy similar numbers and struggles. Squats are by far my most miserable lift. I'm starting.. starting to fall in love with leg work again after 3 solid months of rebuilding the habit but damn they are hard.
it's a bunch of bullshit with some occasional lifting and my internal struggle with the devil and angel on my shoulders. One works for abercrombie and one eats 10k a day and lifts until his eyeballs bleed.Lol I hear ya. I need to take a look at your log again...